What about just raw power? Power to weight ratio does not tell us how fast you can ride on the flat and rollers.
Power stats for racing
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Very similar numbers but a Cat 3 in Upstate NY.peterpen said:36 y.o. male Cat 3
65kg
Northern California
FT - 4.5 w/kg
5' - 5.9 w/kg
1' - 8.7 w/kg
5" - 15.2 w/kg
Competitive all-rounder, not much of a sprint, my wins in the 4's came in hilly RR's. Best result as a 3 is 8th - and that was three minutes off the winning time for a 45' hill climb. My #'s look nice on the CP power profile spreadsheet, but there are plenty of riders around here that are considerably stronger than I am. Not to mention all the ones that are smarter.
FT - 4.67 w/kg
5' - 5.82 w/kg
1' - 8.73 w/kg
5" - 17.09 w/kg
5'6" and 60kg
wayne
I wouldn't necessarily say that weight correlates with frontal area...peterpen said:
Besides, isn't there another thread dealing with Raw Power?
http://www.cyclingforums.com/t310978.html
I know that I have posted FTP, weight, 10mile TT time and 40k TT time...
Notice how you cannot predict my 40k time by FTP or w/kg alone?
Aerodynamics has a little to do with it...
http://www.coolmotorpics.com/57_Chevy_Burnout.jpg
Remember, it is still a brick...
Jim
Of course the important question is does FA correlate with weight to the same degree that power does =).acoggan said:
Better than nothing for sure, as good as any...shrug.peterpen said:
Try a search for w/kg^.67 for a whole bunch of thoughts, without any clear consensus =).
Scott
Here in SoCal this is what I'd estimate...giannip said:
In a small p,1,2 race (non-NRC)...
10+minute climb you need 5.4ish to stay with the lead group (which will have 15-20 riders in it).
5-10 minute climb, 5.8ish
Sprint is of course as much about tactics and positioning as power, but there are several guys that can do 18-20w/kg for 5 secs, and 15+ for 15 seconds.
In NRC races the numbers aren't that different, but there will be a few riders that will be able to accelerate briefly above those numbers and get separation.
In 35+ races the numbers are also very similar (perhaps 0.2 less for each climbing duration), but the lead group will be much smaller (usually less than 10).
I think for almost all amatuer TT's, aerodynamics are often the deciding factor. I'd say that in a typical, higher level, amatuer (i.e. p,1,2 or 35+) race, aerodynamics are a bigger factor in results than power (not that power isn't important, just that there is much more variation in how aero people are than how much power they can sustain).
Scott
otb4evr said:
Well, height tends to correlate better with frontal area than does weight, but 1) that's not "build", and 2) it's neither here nor there: this issue was whether or not there is a correlation between frontal area and weight, and several studies show that there is. Ergo, it is incorrect to claim that there is no such correlation (as, e.g., Warren G likes to insist), and that power in W is therefore a better predictor of level ground performance than power in W/kg.
Southern California Cat2
00:05 - 18.83w/kg
00:30 - 16.17w/kg
05:00 - 06.84w/kg
60:00 - 05.30w/kg
No results at the P,1,2 level to speak of yet, but only have 3 races at this level and my fitness has skyrocketed now that I'm no longer working 40 hrs a week and am sleeping 9 hrs a night instead of 5 hrs a night. According to smartin's data/experience, next year should be a different story hopefully.
00:05 - 18.83w/kg
00:30 - 16.17w/kg
05:00 - 06.84w/kg
60:00 - 05.30w/kg
No results at the P,1,2 level to speak of yet, but only have 3 races at this level and my fitness has skyrocketed now that I'm no longer working 40 hrs a week and am sleeping 9 hrs a night instead of 5 hrs a night. According to smartin's data/experience, next year should be a different story hopefully.
thanks Andy...acoggan said:
I guess I will work on my nomenclature, as when I said "build", I was meaning height, weight, shoulder span, how the person carries their weight etc...
www.dictionary.com - build
9.the physical structure, esp. of a person; physique; figure: He had a strong build.
I just don't get it. Had a lack luster year. Did fair in TTs. No places but at least in the top third in each race. For my cat 4 & Masters 40+ road and crit races though, I got dropped before each finish. Yet my numbers are for the most part better.
FTP: 4.35 w/kg (actual 40k TT 1:00:43)
5 min: 5.22 w/kg
1 min: 7.71 w/kg
5 sec: 14.62 w/kg
Guess I need to ride smarter and continue to try to push those numbers higher for 2007.
FTP: 4.35 w/kg (actual 40k TT 1:00:43)
5 min: 5.22 w/kg
1 min: 7.71 w/kg
5 sec: 14.62 w/kg
Guess I need to ride smarter and continue to try to push those numbers higher for 2007.
otb4evr said:
http://cyclingpeakssoftware.com/power411/match.aspzaskar said:
I think Hunter is being a bit liberal there (I'd set limits at higher percentages, and I'd also have an NP limit for durations >10 or 20 minutes), but I think the important thing in talking about number of matches burned, or "matches per hour" would be consistency in measurement.
