On Wed, 04 Aug 2004 22:58:46 GMT, the black rose
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> Bob in CT wrote:
>> On Wed, 04 Aug 2004 18:48:16 GMT, maxo <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 02 Aug 2004 17:26:51 +0000, the black rose wrote:
>>>
>>>> I think I should start making my own
>>>
>>>
>>> try Fig Bars--they're energy dense and cheap. I used to eat a half a
>>> package per day when I worked on my mouth. Lots of sugar and refined
>>> flour, just the ticket. LOL
>>>
>>> Warning, make sure to have water about as they like to stick to the
>>> roof
>>> of your mouth an the yu tah lah theth.
>>>
>>> As to the posters claiming to be on low carb diets: can you really
>>> enjoy
>>> long rides on such a diet, or do you bonk after half an hour? I'm not
>>> trolling, it just seems impractical.
>>
>>
>> No. I do take carbs (dextrose and a relatively low carb bar, and
>> perhaps protein) with me for long rides (over 2 hours) and I will take
>> in small amounts (10-20 grams) of carbs before and after the rides. If
>> I have a very long ride, say 4+ hours, I'll do some small amount of
>> carbo loading the day before (like eating some fruit) and I typically
>> will have one high carb meal immediately after the ride. Other than
>> that, I eat vegetables and meat.
>
> I'm honestly curious what kind of intensity a non-diabetic low-carb
> dieter can maintain when exercising. What I'm reading as I do research
> on the topic is that people who exercise at moderate to high intensity
> are hitting the wall way early if they play around with low carb diets.
> And it makes sense -- even if you're at the 60-80 carbs/day level with
> Atkins, 80 carbs are only 320 calories. To put that into practical
> terms, for me, that's only about 35 minutes at 75% of my VO2max. If
> you're bigger than me (I'm only 135 pounds, so most of you are), it's
> even less time than that.
>
> I'm convinced that low carb diets are for sedentary people and people
> with insulin-related disorders such as diabetes (such as Bob). It looks
> like it's possible to maintain low intensity exercise on a low carb
> diet, but anything more than that and you just can't replenish your
> glycogen stores fast enough to replace what you're using on what little
> carbohydrate is allowed by such diets. Maybe moderate to high intensity
> exercise with several days between, I dunno; it's certainly not
> something you could do every day.
>
> The early weight loss on low carb diets is very seductive, but I'm not
> convinced that being deprived of so many nutritious fruits and
> vegetables -- most of which are important for building a healthy immune
> system and guarding against cancer and heart disease -- is really that
> wise.
>
> I could be wrong, of course. But if I am, someone is going to have to
> explain Japan to me -- where the usual diet is composed of 70-80% carbs,
> but where the rate of obesity, cancer, diabetes and heart disease is one
> of the lowest in the world.
>
> -km
>
The Japanese have different genes? They work more/walk more/etc.? I'm
not Japanese?
Honestly, I ate low fat for many years and ate low carb for the last two.
All low fat did for me was give or exacerbate my insulin resistance and
cause me to be depressed (there's nothing like huge swings in blood sugar
to cause depression) and hungry. Moreover, on low carb, my blood lipids
have improved (HDL increased, blood glucose much lower, triglycerides
lower, total cholesterol/HDL better, liver and kidney funtion better -- I
could go on). Plus, I feel so much better on low carb than I did on low
fat. The 3pm sleepies? Gone. Any heartburn? Gone. Constant blood
sugar swings? Gone.
This weekend, I'll ride about 63-65 miles. During that ride, my HR will
be above 90% of my max HR for about 1/3 of the time. That means that for
about 1.5 to two hours (I estimate it'll take me 4.5-4.75 hours), my HR
will be above 90% of my max HR. I'll gain between 5-6,000 feet in
elevation (I'll know exactly, as I'm taking my GPS with me). The ride
profile starts relatively flat, then goes all uphill until I turn around.
Then, it's quite a bit of downhill except for one very hard hill (where I
exceed 50mph down it, and that's with the brakes on), and then the last
two miles include the hardest hill I've ever ridden. It's only about a
mile long but it's extremely steep and just keeps going -- there's no
respite. It's especially hard when I've ridden 60+ miles.
And, as for not eating vegetables and fruits, I eat a ton of vegetables
and berries and some selected fruits. People think "low carb = no carb,"
and this is totally wrong. I eat more vegetables on low carb than I ever
ate on low fat. Remember, pasta is at the bottom of the food pyramid, so
I ate tons of pasta, whole wheat bread, brown rice, beans, etc. I simply
stopped eating that **** (though I do eat beans every now and then) and
dramatically increased my vegetable intake.
What I ate yesterday:
breakfast: 3 eggs, fresh mozarella (sp?), 2 slices canadian bacon, fresh
basil
lunch: 2 pork chops
snacks: cucumber, radishes, mushrooms, calamata olives in vinegar
dinner: shrimp with tomatoes, herbs, feta cheese; salad with olive oil and
lemon dressing; cous cous with brocolli, additional vegetables, and
calamata olives (typically, I would not eat cous cous, but my girlfriend
made it; instead, I'd eat more vegetables, such as brocolli, grean beans,
peas, or peppers)
I usually will also have yoghurt with berries and nuts, although I did not
have that yesterday.
What did you eat?
--
Bob in CT
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