Praise the lard

In misc.health.diabetes Cubit said:

Any ideas on finding the book, or where to buy pure lard?

In the Shaw's where I shop, it's located next to the butter.

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Bill wrote:
:: I had no problem eating lard when it was mixed with
:: sugar! Mmmmm .
:: . . OREOs, anywone?

Hmm....so mix lard with splenda and sandwich between to
pieces of almond bread.

::
:: Oh, that and seal fat mixed with berries. Eskimo
:: Ice Cream.
::
:: Bill
::
:: "Ignoramus26239" <[email hidden]>
:: wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...
::: While this diet seems to be relatively sensible, as long
::: as all vitamins are supplied, I must point out that lard
::: (salo) is very hard to eat in a meaningful quantity. As
::: soon as I start eating lard, I feel nauseous. Eating a
::: few pieces of lard prior to my one day fast, in fact,
::: helps me not to feel hungry during the day.
:::
::: i

Ignoramus26239 said:

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Cubit said:

Thanks for posting this. I love the ideas here.

I looked for the book on Amazon, but didn't find it. Even
the website quoted in the article does not say where the
book can be purchased.

I have considered buying lard and mixing it with Splenda
to make Oreo stuffing. However, the lard at my supermarket
is hydrogenated, which means they made it into a transfat.
(Note: Oreo changed the stuffing to hydrogenated vegetable
oil a few years back. I stopped buying Oreos because of
the transfat.)

Any ideas on finding the book, or where to buy pure lard?

Cubit, I suspect very strongly that what Poles meant by
"lard" is "salted pork bellies", not lard that was
rendered into pure fat.

I have not heard of Poles eating rendered lard, but they
eat salted pork bellies all the time. They could also be
other salted pig fat cuts, not just bellies. Any polish
store would have an abundance of that stuff at a very
reasonable price.

Northern Italians make "lardo" which is essentially salted
pork fat. It isn't rendered into what Americans call lard,
though. It can be sliced. And it is to be served thinly
sliced on bread. To get Americans to eat it, it's often
called "white prosciutto." <LOL>

Pastorio

Ignoramus2546 said:

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Simm Webb said:

The proponents of this diet must be quite young.
Anyway, let them enjoy the picnic now, cause a
cardiologist will waiting for you. (You can see me now,
or you will see me later). They won't be singing the
same tune after a by pass, or a stent or two in place,
along with a strict diet.

Low carbers see better blood lipid improvements than low
fatters.

i

That's if you believe that blood lipids mean anything. Here
are some naysayers:

thincs.orgthincs.orgOpen ↗

Why is it that so many people with low cholesterol have
heart disease?

--
Bob in CT Remove ".x" to reply

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(billydee) said:

Simm Webb <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

The proponents of this diet must be quite young.
Anyway, let them enjoy the picnic now, cause a
cardiologist will waiting for you. (You can see me now,
or you will see me later). They won't be singing the
same tune after a by pass, or a stent or two in place,
along with a strict diet.

Laugh on now.

You can't say anything bad about saturated fat on this
forum evidently. I picture a good number of fat posters
here eating prodigious amounts of bacon, lard and cream
thinking they are dieting.

Wow. That old stereotype still survives, huh? The more
accurate picture would be of people eating smaller portions
of regular foods instead of prodigious amounts of "reduced
fat" or "low fat" versions with added sugar to make up for
the flavor that's lost when fat is removed.

--
Michelle Levin mindspring.com~lunachickOpen ↗

I have only 3 flaws. My first flaw is thinking that I only
have 3 flaws.

"Cubit" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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There is real science behind the belief that fat without
high carbs is harmless, and even essential. The studies
that led doctors to denounce fat were ambiguous. The
studies used high carbs and high fat. They assumed that it
was the fat causing trouble, not the carbs, without doing
a study to clarify. This was not science.

That is true. All you have to do is look at the
conclusions of those flawed stuides. It is always "high
fat and high sugar foods are dangerous". They are
always lumped together in studies. The biggest reason
however is that most of the early studies on fat are
done with trans fat lumped together with all saturated
fat and animal fat and it is not disclosed in the
research. This of course was when the corrupt
mainstream medical comunity did everything they could
to maintain the false belief that all saturated fat was
the same so there need not be any distinction. That is
really one thing people just do not understand. It is
only recently that the mainstream has had to
reluctantly admit( after about 60+ years of that truth
being exposed) that trans fat is not the same but that
does not change all the previous studies on "saturated
fat" that include undisclosed trans fat. There are
simply no real studies showing animal fat alone as
being dangerous and in fact all the real data and
research points to the exact opposite.

Ignoramus2546 said:

Low carbers see better blood lipid improvements than low
fatters.

Yes, but there's a big difference between saying

"Stop worrying so much about fat, it's not the bogeyman
they're making it out to be."

and saying

"Oh, by all means, eat tons of fat and little else. You
don't need protein or vitamins if you get enough fat."

:-)

--
Wes Groleau groleau.freeshell.orgteachingOpen ↗

"Doug Freyburger" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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I was astonished that the so-called "Optimal Diet" didn't
consider salads and/or veggies every day to be mandatory
like Atkins does from day one.

You're astonished because of tunnel vision. Atkins' plan
isn't the only one that works, and isn't even the best one
out there.

"Hispanic" is only an American census created word and has
no meaning outside of those boundaries.

"Doug Freyburger" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Cubit said:

Any ideas on ... or where to buy pure lard? I have never
seen tallow in the store.

If your grocery has a Hispanic section, look for a red box
labelled Manteca. It's lard in quarters like sticks of
butter. Much better than vegitable shortening that has
transfats.

I was astonished that the so-called "Optimal Diet" didn't
consider salads and/or veggies every day to be mandatory
like Atkins does from day one.

Thanks for the tip. I searched two supermarkets and a
Hispanic butcher shop today before seeing your reply. I
didn't know to look for "Manteca."

Safeway had a large tub of hydrogenated lard for under $5.
The butcher shop had large and small tubs, but they were
also hydrogenated/ full of transfats.

I'll check the Hispanic sections again with Manteca in mind,
then look for a Hispanic market. There was a Hispanic and
Asian market nearby, but it burned down about a week ago. It
was a 6 alarm fire.

For Pizza Gurl, the term Hispanic is used all the time in
California. People get upset if you say Mexican. It is
almost like the N word.

"Doug Freyburger" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Cubit said:

Any ideas on ... or where to buy pure lard? I have never
seen tallow in the store.

If your grocery has a Hispanic section, look for a red box
labelled Manteca. It's lard in quarters like sticks of
butter. Much better than vegitable shortening that has
transfats.

I was astonished that the so-called "Optimal Diet" didn't
consider salads and/or veggies every day to be mandatory
like Atkins does from day one.

"Diarmid Logan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Simm Webb <[email hidden]> wrote in message

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The proponents of this diet must be quite young. Anyway,
let them enjoy

the

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picnic now, cause a cardiologist will waiting for you.
(You can see me

now, or

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you will see me later). They won't be singing the same
tune after a by

pass, or

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a stent or two in place, along with a strict diet.

Laugh on now.

You obviously didn't read the entire article. Check out
this passage:

On a recent Sunday morning at the Optimal deli/center in
Portage Park, about 30 followers of the Kwasniewski plan
gathered for a weekly meeting and shared their stories.

There was the ginger-haired firecracker Irena Kozlowicz,
78, of Niles, who went on the diet five years ago after
Kwasniewski came to speak at the Copernicus Center in
1999. At the time she was suffering from chronic eye
problems, asthma and pain in her knees.

"Now I can walk better than a young person," she chirps.
"I can run up six floors of stairs and my grandson can't
catch me. He's 17 years old. I meet young ladies and they
are always tired and sweating, but I never am. I didn't
need to lose weight, but I lost 8 pounds. I am 78, but I
feel like I am 50. I thank God for the diet."

Then there is Jozef Michael Ostrowski, 71, who says he has
been on a variation of the diet his whole life.

"Since the occupation of Poland my parents could only
afford pork meat and liver and blood sausage and lard,"
Ostrowski says through an interpreter. "It is not like I
was following this diet precisely but generally. At that
time I didn't know this kind of natural food was good for
me. I just knew that I could eat scrambled eggs with a
thin piece of bread and lard and I would be full all day.
I started eating regular food like McDonald's and I could
not handle the pain and so I went back to the diet and
have felt better and better every day."

Chicago physician Christopher Kubik wasn't at the meeting,
but in a phone interview he said that 4 1/2 years ago he
was overweight and suffering from fatigue and stones in
the bladder. But within a couple of months of embarking on
this high-fat journey he saw results.

No more problems

"I was losing weigh gradually [he lost about 25 pounds in
six weeks] but I felt fine. Since then, I didn't have any
more problems with stones, my skin complexion improved and
I am still feeling a lot of energy," says Kubik, 57, who
reports that he breakfasts on fried eggs, bacon and string
cheese seven days a week. "While I was losing the weight I
could feel the ketones as a metallic tasted on the mouth,
but after I reached my optimal weight, [the ketosis]
stopped. Now my weight has remained steady at about 185,
which is in the upper limit of normal for my height."

Kubik, who also has degrees in public health and health
law, says he does not actively promote the diet, "because
it is not considered a standard of care and the medical
community still recommends low-fat diets and it is not
something I could support if I were sued." But if patients
ask, "I tell them that I am on it and have seen positive
results."

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Praise the lard

The 'Polish Atkins diet' recommends eating
prodigious amounts of animal fat. Can this possibly
be good for you?

Grateful to be back.

Eddie MD OTF

Doug Freyburger said:

Cubit said:

Any ideas on ... or where to buy pure lard? I have never
seen tallow in the store.

If your grocery has a Hispanic section, look for a red box
labelled Manteca. It's lard in quarters like sticks of
butter. Much better than vegitable shortening that has
transfats.

I'm not sure if I've seen Manteca (probably have, in TX),
but I think all the bricks and buckets of lard that I've
seen were partially hydrogenated.

On the other hand, I stumbled across a container of LouAnn
coconut oil at WalMart last week -- label says, "ingredient:
coconut oil"

--
jamie ([email hidden])

"There's a seeker born every minute."

In article said:

On 10 Jun 2004 14:55:50 GMT, Ignoramus2546

Quoted message said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Simm Webb said:

The proponents of this diet must be quite young.
Anyway, let them enjoy the picnic now, cause a
cardiologist will waiting for you. (You can see me now,
or you will see me later). They won't be singing the
same tune after a by pass, or a stent or two in place,
along with a strict diet.

Low carbers see better blood lipid improvements than low
fatters.

i

That's if you believe that blood lipids mean anything.
Here are some naysayers:

thincs.orgthincs.orgOpen ↗

Why is it that so many people with low cholesterol have
heart disease?

Could be that some heart disease is caused by/correlated
with bad blood lipids and some is not... I eat 2 eggs per
day, plenty of fat (much of it is unsaturated fat) and my
lipids are good, so, I am not concerned about whether BAD
lipids cause heart disease, for my own health. That said,
the question is interesting to me in an abstract sense.

I am looking at the site that you mentioned.

i

"Luna" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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[email hidden] (billydee) wrote:

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You can't say anything bad about saturated fat on this
forum evidently.

This is being crossposted all to hell and back. Pay
attention billydee. The person you responded to doesn't know
where you're posting from.

I picture a good number of fat posters here eating

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prodigious amounts of bacon, lard and cream thinking
they are dieting.

You have a vivid imagination, but it's not really based in
fact. Which is entirely your own fault for not paying
attention.

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Wow. That old stereotype still survives, huh? The more
accurate picture would be of people eating smaller
portions of regular foods instead of prodigious amounts of
"reduced fat" or "low fat" versions with added sugar to
make up for the flavor that's lost when fat is removed.

billydee has a thing about fat, especially saturated fat. He
still hangs out here in asdlc dropping his onliners into
conversations, rather randomly it seems. Rather Pavlovian,
like another poster we know.

revek

followups set

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"Cubit" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

There is real science behind the belief that fat without
high carbs

is

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

harmless, and even essential. The studies that led
doctors to

denounce fat

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

were ambiguous. The studies used high carbs and high
fat. They

assumed

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

that it was the fat causing trouble, not the carbs,
without doing a

study to

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

clarify. This was not science.

That is true. All you have to do is look at the
conclusions of those flawed stuides. It is always
"high fat and high sugar foods are dangerous". They
are always lumped together in studies. The biggest

Yes. Even if you go back to Ancel Keys "20 countries" study
that started that low-fat idiocy, there are table
associating consumption of food groups with heart disease.
And guess what - even in those tables, sugar had higher
association numbers than animal fat. And, of course,
accidentally same countries with high fat consumption had
high sugar consumption.....

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reason however is that most of the early studies on fat
are done with trans fat lumped together with all saturated
fat and animal fat and it

Well, to be honest, milk contains fair amount of
transfats too....

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that trans fat is not the same but that does not change
all the previous studies on "saturated fat" that include
undisclosed trans fat. There are simply no real studies
showing animal fat alone as

Also it seems likely that real problem of saturated fat is
that it can destroy pancreas cells when your BG goes
beyond 140.

So perhaps the real thing is that saturated fat can worsen
situation if you eat carbs in excess.

Mirek

Bob in CT <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

Ignoramus2546 said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Simm Webb said:

The proponents of this diet must be quite young.
Anyway, let them enjoy the picnic now, cause a
cardiologist will waiting for you. (You can see me now,
or you will see me later). They won't be singing the
same tune after a by pass, or a stent or two in place,
along with a strict diet.

Low carbers see better blood lipid improvements than low
fatters.

i

That's if you believe that blood lipids mean anything.
Here are some naysayers:

thincs.orgthincs.orgOpen ↗

Why is it that so many people with low cholesterol have
heart disease?

When you eat the hydrogenated oils your cells are built from
these messed-up oils. To maintain the rigidity of the cell
walls, more cholesterol leaves the blood stream and is
incorporated in and around your cells. So you get some nice
arterial clogging and your blood cholesterol levels read
nice and low.

If you eat the saturated fats, those are used to make your
cells. They work fine, which makes sense considering that we
evolved eating them.

Thank you. I was not aware that transfats were included in
the studies.

"Wolfbrother" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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"Cubit" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

There is real science behind the belief that fat without
high carbs is harmless, and even essential. The studies
that led doctors to denounce

fat

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

were ambiguous. The studies used high carbs and high
fat. They assumed that it was the fat causing trouble,
not the carbs, without doing a

study to

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

clarify. This was not science.

That is true. All you have to do is look at the
conclusions of those flawed stuides. It is always
"high fat and high sugar foods are dangerous". They
are always lumped together in studies. The biggest
reason however is that most of the early studies on
fat are done with trans fat lumped together with all
saturated fat and animal fat and it is not disclosed
in the research. This of course was when the corrupt
mainstream medical comunity did everything they could
to maintain the false belief that all saturated fat
was the same so there need not be any distinction.
That is really one thing people just do not
understand. It is only recently that the mainstream
has had to reluctantly admit( after about 60+ years
of that truth being exposed) that trans fat is not
the same but that does not change all the previous
studies on "saturated fat" that include undisclosed
trans fat. There are simply no real studies showing
animal fat alone as being dangerous and in fact all
the real data and research points to the exact
opposite.

It's kind of hard to imagine a diet that is all fat, most
fat comes connected to something else--meat, eggs, milk,
cream, nuts. I find I have to make an effort to keep the
percentage of fat up where I want it even though I love
fatty things.

In "]news:[email hidden], Wes Groleau
<[email hidden]> stated
| Ignoramus2546 wrote:
|| Low carbers see better blood lipid improvements than low
|| fatters.
|
| Yes, but there's a big difference between saying
|
| "Stop worrying so much about fat, it's not the bogeyman
| they're making it out to be."
|
| and saying
|
| "Oh, by all means, eat tons of fat and little else. You
| don't need protein or vitamins if you get enough fat."
|
| :-)
|
| --
| Wes Groleau groleau.freeshell.orgteachingOpen ↗

JC Der Koenig said:

"Doug Freyburger" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

I was astonished that the so-called "Optimal Diet" didn't
consider salads and/or veggies every day to be mandatory
like Atkins does from day one.

You're astonished because of tunnel vision. Atkins' plan
isn't the only one that works, and isn't even the best one
out there.

Maybe I missed this in your previous posts, but why don't
you think too much of Atkins and what is better, in your
opinion? I've been experimenting with various things picked
up on this newsgroup, i.e. fasting (which is working out
well BTW), and I'm curious.

Marsha/Ohio

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For Pizza Gurl, the term Hispanic is used all the time in
California. People get upset if you say Mexican. It is
almost like the N word.

Same in south Texas. Mexican is a nationality, and Latinos
here are American.

Unless they're regular folk (as most are) and good friends,
then they're 'Messkin.' LOL!!