Problem with New Bike's Horoscope

[Clive George]

"Tom Keats" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> It's something to do while (...) dogging it at the workplace.

You'd not be from the uk then

cheers,
clive

(google for 'stan collymore' will give you hints)

 

[Tom Keats]

In article <[email protected]>,
"Clive George" <[email protected]> writes:
> "Tom Keats" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>> It's something to do while (...) dogging it at the workplace.
>
> You'd not be from the uk then

No, I'm just a canadian from Vancouver, where we usually
use a quainter but more vulgar expression (involving dogs)
for skiving, which I once used here -- to my dismay, but
to some other people's amusement. This time I thought I'd
play it safe by using the 'dogging it' expression instead --
apparently it's more familiar to Americans.

Oh, well


cheers,
Tom

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[Peter Clinch]

Elisa Francesca Roselli wrote:

> Now there's an idea. I brought the bike today to the shop that will do the
> setup and check-through. On the same occasion, I requested that a new
> computer be configured to the bike with a cadence function. So there will
> be a new computer to register the first heartbeat, as you say.

Caveat that I think the whole concept is rather daft, but if we assume
for the sake of argument there's something in it then the above seems
very silly. It means that none of my bikes would technically be "alive"
as I don't use computers or equivalents, and before, say, 15-20 years
ago hardly any bike would have qualified.

Think of a baby born outside of a hospital and thus without monitoring
equipment: are their hearts not beating just because nobody is measuring?

Also, it strikes me that taking possession of something is a
wrong-headed approach to its notional birth. If you adopt a human
infant the moment of their birth is /not/ the time you formally sign the
adoption paper. The bicycle's birth should, similarly, be independent
of its owner to my mind, as the owner (in the case of a buyer of stock)
has nothing to do with its creation. In terms of the machine's "birth",
the forge and the welder strike me as far more fundamental than whoever
wields the credit card. A good master or mistress is an asset to a
bike, just as it is to a dog or cat, but it seems silly and perhaps a
little vain to assume your personal schedule clearly imprints the
creation moment of something which would still exist if you didn't.

Or, put another way, I don't see how you can really know when the bike
truly came to be, and fudging about to suit your own preconceived
notions of what something independent of you ought to be is perhaps
trying to fiddle with rules of fate that, by their very nature, don't
take fiddling.

As I said, caveat is I think astrology is bunk, but the above arguments
were made having set my prejudices aside as well as I was able to (you
can go to some pretty odd places while waiting for servers to reboot
after hours...)

Pete.
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[Pat]

Elisa, how about noting the serial number, contacting the maker of the
bicycle, and asking them what day it was produced in the factory?

Pat in TX

 

[Steph Peters]

"Pat" <[email protected]> of wrote:

>Well, if you ride slowly within the confines of a park, you shouldn't have
>any problems...except if you hit the squirrel, I suppose. I wouldn't
>hesitate to say that the rest of us ride bicycles in the real world, and not
>in the park.

Speak for yourself. My multifarious routes to work, except the chucking it
down only used in emergencies direct route, all include a park. The daily
trundle around a park improves my quality of life. I live in a big city;
the park keeps me in touch with the passing seasons and lets me start my day
with a glimpse of nature and beauty. Definitely a mood improver.
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[Pat]

:
: >Well, if you ride slowly within the confines of a park, you shouldn't
have
: >any problems...except if you hit the squirrel, I suppose. I wouldn't
: >hesitate to say that the rest of us ride bicycles in the real world, and
not
: >in the park.
:
: Speak for yourself. My multifarious routes to work, except the chucking
it
: down only used in emergencies direct route, all include a park. The daily
: trundle around a park improves my quality of life. I live in a big city;
: the park keeps me in touch with the passing seasons and lets me start my
day
: with a glimpse of nature and beauty. Definitely a mood improver.
: Steph Peters

I was talking about the real world which includes traffic. Not just riding
in the park at slow speeds looking at squirrels and toddlers. I didn't say
it didn't improve your quality of life. But, that's not what the OP was
talking about.

Pat in TX

 

[Maggie]

Elisa Francesca Roselli <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> Maggie wrote:
>
> > Why is bike riding so complex on this newsgroup?
>
> It probably isn't, but that you've happened on a few obsessive-compulsive nut-cases.
>
> EFR
> Ile de France

I was discussing this with a friend this evening over a few vodka
tonics. We decided that the world has changed and everything that was
once simple is now hi-tech. He is into archery...when he was young,
there was the bow, the arrow, and the target. Now its gadgets and
wind velocity and intellectual conversations on a very once simple
sport. He told me to get on my bike, put my feet on the pedals, point
myself in a safe direction and ride the way I rode when I was ten. He
said I will have much more fun. It is fascinating to see how complex a
sport can become if you let it. I think we tend to make everything
complex today. Maybe I did catch an obsessive-compulsive thread and
maybe opening my mind to the intellectual side of bike riding is a
good thing. But I doubt it. I think I will get just ride it. But
maybe I will wait for the vodka tonics to wear off. ;-) Do you get
an RUI when you "ride under the influence"? I think I will wait until
the morning and hop on my Walmart Special.
Peace

 

[Maggie]

[email protected] (Tom Keats) wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> In article <[email protected]>,
> [email protected] (Maggie) writes:
>
> > Why is bike riding so complex on this newsgroup?
>
> It's something to do while waiting for the rain to stop, or dogging it at the workplace.
>
> cheers,
> Tom

Thats how I starting reading the threads...goofing off at work...Since
I found this newsgroup my work day is just a little bit brighter. I
work full time days and run my own business in the evening. I am
always connected to the internet. WHICH MEANS.... I should probably
become a regular pain in the ass now ;-) Working 12 hours a day leaves
me MUCH, MUCH time to read this stuff. I ride my bike in the
morning....and I live in a very hilly neighborhood. If I really get
back into riding, maybe I will upgrade my walmart special. But no one
is going to make me wear those silly biking clothes. Are they made out
of rubber??? It looks like it needs some scuba gear attached. And
why so tight? my 26 year old daughter might look good in it, but I
might scare people. I am sticking with my jogging suit and sneakers.
Unless the rubber suit is made by Gucci or Chanel. ;-) Is there a
fashion newsgroup? I want a really great bag for xmas. I need some
suggestions. I think I will go annoy another group now. Be safe.
Ride happy.
Your happy ADHD newsgroup friend.....Peace

"if you do it for Love, it's never wrong"

 

[Zoot Katz]

28 Oct 2004 16:57:05 -0700,
<[email protected]>,
[email protected] (Maggie) wrote:

>Maybe I did catch an obsessive-compulsive thread and
>maybe opening my mind to the intellectual side of bike riding is a
>good thing. But I doubt it. I think I will get just ride it. But
>maybe I will wait for the vodka tonics to wear off. ;-) Do you get
>an RUI when you "ride under the influence"? I think I will wait until
>the morning and hop on my Walmart Special.
>Peace

Like your friend advised, just ride it.

This came up in a discussion of bicycle prices once. (quoting myself)

"It occurred to me that the greatest value of our bikes is that they
lead us to deeper enquiry. They carry us to new places within
ourselves. We learn very real things about our internal physical
functions. They expose the wonderous workings of our body/mind while
connecting us in the outer world. They take us there under our own
power at our own pace. Bicycles become our teachers and healers and
friends. They guide us through the greater world by prompting us with
questions and encouragement. Bicycles motivate us through the realms
of science, sociology and spirituality whether carrying us to the
corner or around the world. All we have to do is ride them. That's a
damn good deal."
--
zk

 

[Claire Petersky]

"Maggie" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> But no one
> is going to make me wear those silly biking clothes. Are they made out
> of rubber???

Maggie, 'way back when, when I was a jeans and sneakers style cyclist, I saw
a guy at the LBS wearing the most outlandish get-up I ever saw. Black
tights, a high vis chartreuse vest, black booties, weird wrap around
sunglasses, cleats that he couldn't walk in. I thought, god, it takes all
kinds.

But you know, you pedal a few miles, and you find out that real bike shorts
are a lot more comfortable than jeans. And that tight, stretchy clothing is
a lot more comfortable than loose, non-stretchy clothing. Clipless pedals
are so much more efficient than not having them, such that you can't imagine
how you ever rode with a flat pedal and sneakers. And that when motorists
can see you, then they do their best to avoid you, and so you find high
visibility colors and fabrics to wear because it makes you safer. Your feet
get cold and wet after a long ride, and so you seek out neoprene booties to
keep your feet nice and dry, no matter how hard its raining. Wrap around
sunglasses keep **** out of your eyes and you don't get migraines from glare
any more. And ****! You're that weirdo you saw in the LBS years ago.


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[Maggie]

Zoot Katz <[email protected]> wrote in message >
> "It occurred to me that the greatest value of our bikes is that they
> lead us to deeper enquiry. They carry us to new places within
> ourselves. We learn very real things about our internal physical
> functions. They expose the wonderous workings of our body/mind while
> connecting us in the outer world. They take us there under our own
> power at our own pace. Bicycles become our teachers and healers and
> friends. They guide us through the greater world by prompting us with
> questions and encouragement. Bicycles motivate us through the realms
> of science, sociology and spirituality whether carrying us to the
> corner or around the world. All we have to do is ride them. That's a
> damn good deal."

It is nearing 6:00 a.m. and I am going to go out and just pedal that
cheap bike of mine. I am so glad to hear that this group is not made
up of only young people. It gives me encouragement. Back in the
Day...(I love saying that)...I used to think too much. It was
required in the 60's. I would sit with my friends and overthink every
aspect of life. Considering everyone was in fear of the draft and we
were trying to change the world we DEFINATELY thought alot. Then I
married and had three kids...at that point it was hard to think where
I left my other shoe and my socks never matched. Sometimes I would
think about where socks go after you put them into the washer but that
was about it. Raising three kids reduces the intellectual brain
function you once had and significantly reduces the amount of FREE
TIME you have. I once had dreams of becoming a writer and living in a
loft in the village and here I was in Suburbia putting on snowsuits
and trying to find socks while packing a Dukes of Hazard lunchbox.
Now thats over....the kids have grown and I am free again. Free to
ride my bike through the greater world, I think that is a really DAMN
GOOD DEAL. A DAMN GOOD DEAL!!!! Thanks. Maybe I will start writing
again as well. I did my time in the trenches......Its time to connect
to the outer world once more.....Now if I could only figure out how to
earn a living without doing the 9 to 5 thing. Then I would really be
free to be.
Peace and Stuff...

 

[Chris Malcolm]

Elisa Francesca Roselli <[email protected]> writes:

>OK, I am a Very Superstitious Person. Especially as relates to all
>things bike because this is an area like love, gambling and sea-voyages,
>fraught with uncertainty, hazard and fear, and in the hands of
>capricious gods.

>I was hoping it would arrive today or tomorrow because the transiting
>planets are quite well-placed in relation to my own natal chart.
>However, there are two factors, the Moon placement and the
>Ascendant/House Cusps, which depend on the _exact_ time and place of
>birth and cannot be estimated just on the basis of the day.

I hope you've considered the progressions and transits as well. If
you're worried about accidents transits are particularly important, and
should be referred to both the bike's chart and yours.

>I signed the delivery note for Flyzipper, for such is his name, at 11:55
>am, and am taking that as the time of his "birth".

>To my dismay, the chart cast for that time has the Moon sitting on the
>worst degree of the whole zodiac - under the influence of an evil Fixed
>Star called Scheat which just happens to symbolize extreme danger,
>injury, violent - especially transport related - death, murder, suicide,
>drowning, imprisonment and confinement.

>However illogical it may seem to you, I know I will _NOT_ be able to get
>on a bike with this Moon placement. I freak out at the very thought.

All you need to do is to take the bike to bits, bury the chain
(protected in a plastic bag) in a river or stream to cancel influence,
and assemble it again at a moment of your choice.

>I did open the box to make sure the right bike was in it, but as I said,
>the bike is still packed. On the box it says in big letters:

>"Attention"
>"Before your first ride, you must have your bike thoroughly checked and
>adjusted by a professional bicycle technician. This final adjustment
>will activate your warranty and ensure that your bicycle is optimally
>adjusted for safety and performance".

>I phoned the dealers and they said my LBS-man should sign or stamp the
>warranty when he has checked the bike and that this will be acceptable
>as an "activation". I wonder if I can persuade myself that the bike will
>not be "born" until that happens, or until I collect and pay for it
>(presumably the LBS-man will charge a fee for the adjustments,
>especially since I did not buy the bike from him). But every time I try
>that it seems like intellectual dishonesty, cheating.

You wonder if you can persuade *yourself*? I don't think you're taking
this seriously enough! It doesn't matter a damn what you believe, what
matters is what the gods believe!

Your reasoning is ridiculous. If a woman pays a fertility clinic for a
sperm sample you wouldn't claim the kid's natal chart ought to be
dated on the signing of the check, would you?

Be logical!
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[Chris Malcolm]

Elisa Francesca Roselli <[email protected]> writes:

>OK, I am a Very Superstitious Person. Especially as relates to all
>things bike because this is an area like love, gambling and sea-voyages,
>fraught with uncertainty, hazard and fear, and in the hands of
>capricious gods.

>I was hoping it would arrive today or tomorrow because the transiting
>planets are quite well-placed in relation to my own natal chart.
>However, there are two factors, the Moon placement and the
>Ascendant/House Cusps, which depend on the _exact_ time and place of
>birth and cannot be estimated just on the basis of the day.

I hope you've considered the progressions and transits as well. If
you're worried about accidents transits are particularly important, and
should be referred to both the bike's chart and yours.

>I signed the delivery note for Flyzipper, for such is his name, at 11:55
>am, and am taking that as the time of his "birth".

>To my dismay, the chart cast for that time has the Moon sitting on the
>worst degree of the whole zodiac - under the influence of an evil Fixed
>Star called Scheat which just happens to symbolize extreme danger,
>injury, violent - especially transport related - death, murder, suicide,
>drowning, imprisonment and confinement.

>However illogical it may seem to you, I know I will _NOT_ be able to get
>on a bike with this Moon placement. I freak out at the very thought.

All you need to do is to take the bike to bits, bury the chain
(protected in a plastic bag) in a river or stream to cancel influence,
and assemble it again at a moment of your choice.

>I did open the box to make sure the right bike was in it, but as I said,
>the bike is still packed. On the box it says in big letters:

>"Attention"
>"Before your first ride, you must have your bike thoroughly checked and
>adjusted by a professional bicycle technician. This final adjustment
>will activate your warranty and ensure that your bicycle is optimally
>adjusted for safety and performance".

>I phoned the dealers and they said my LBS-man should sign or stamp the
>warranty when he has checked the bike and that this will be acceptable
>as an "activation". I wonder if I can persuade myself that the bike will
>not be "born" until that happens, or until I collect and pay for it
>(presumably the LBS-man will charge a fee for the adjustments,
>especially since I did not buy the bike from him). But every time I try
>that it seems like intellectual dishonesty, cheating.

You wonder if you can persuade *yourself*? I don't think you're taking
this seriously enough! It doesn't matter a damn what you believe, what
matters is what the gods believe!

Your reasoning is ridiculous. If a woman pays a fertility clinic for a
sperm sample you wouldn't claim the kid's natal chart ought to be
dated on the signing of the check, would you?

Be logical!
--
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IPAB, Informatics, JCMB, King's Buildings, Edinburgh, EH9 3JZ, UK
[http://www.dai.ed.ac.uk/homes/cam/]

 

[Chris Malcolm]

"the.Mark" <[email protected]> writes:

>I've always wondered how astrologers cope when new planets are discovered

Same way they coped with the old ones. They watch the transits to
discover what kind of planet it is.

>and considering the relative size of pluto and its distance from Earth how
>come they don't take all the asteroids and other minor bodies into account?

Some do, some don't. It's a disputed question in astrological circles.
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[Chris Malcolm]

"the.Mark" <[email protected]> writes:

>I've always wondered how astrologers cope when new planets are discovered

Same way they coped with the old ones. They watch the transits to
discover what kind of planet it is.

>and considering the relative size of pluto and its distance from Earth how
>come they don't take all the asteroids and other minor bodies into account?

Some do, some don't. It's a disputed question in astrological circles.
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[Chris Malcolm]

maxo <[email protected]> writes:

>On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 17:02:51 +0200, Elisa Francesca Roselli wrote:

>> However illogical it may seem to you, I know I will _NOT_ be able to get
>> on a bike with this Moon placement. I freak out at the very thought.

>Seek professional psychological help. I'm not saying this to be a smartass
>or wiseguy, but because it sounds like you have some serious issues that
>you are trying to cope with using this bogus astrology business.

I agree. Bogus astrology is dangerous rubbish. Stick to the genuine stuff.

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[Maggie]

"Claire Petersky" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
And ****! You're that weirdo you saw in the LBS years ag>
> --
> Warm Regards,
>
> Claire Petersky
> please substitute yahoo for mousepotato to reply
> Home of the meditative cyclist:
> http://home.earthlink.net/~cpetersky/Welcome.htm
> Personal page: http://www.geocities.com/cpetersky/


Your home pages are absolutely WONDERFUL!!!! Thank you for putting
them out for all to enjoy. I feel as if I have a new meditative
internet companion. I would put my home pages on here, but its all
fluff. Maybe I will try to become more intellectual.....NO
CHANCE!!!!!!!! I like being a little bit of a goof-ball. It keeps me
young in mind and spirit. Body is another issue. ;-) This morning when
I took my bike out, I fell in my driveway. But I did NOT give up. I
rode my bike through little suburbia for 30 minutes. I was sooo proud.
Then I read your meditations. I will be leaving for Lake Tahoe again
in November for a short vacation. Its wonderful riding out there. The
only thing you can run into is a mountain. (or a horse). After I do
the casino thing in Tahoe, I will stay with my niece in Carson City.
Great place to ride a bike. And a horse. I think I better do some work
now. I am getting obsessed with this newsgroup.
PEACE AND STUFF
"If you do it for Love, it's never wrong"

 

[Maggie]

Steph Peters <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> "Pat" <[email protected]> of wrote:
>
> >Well, if you ride slowly within the confines of a park, you shouldn't have
> >any problems...except if you hit the squirrel, I suppose. I wouldn't
> >hesitate to say that the rest of us ride bicycles in the real world, and not
> >in the park.
>

Well screw the real world. Every wuss here in wussville, the small
and the tall, ride their bicycles safely and go to the mall. I am not
prepared to ride in the BIG CITY yet. Maybe someday, but right now I
think I will ride safely in my little quiet town.
PEACE

 

[the.Mark]

Claire Petersky wrote:
> But you know, you pedal a few miles, and you find out that
> real bike shorts are a lot more comfortable than jeans. And
> that tight, stretchy clothing is a lot more comfortable than
> loose, non-stretchy clothing. Clipless pedals are so much more
> efficient than not having them, such that you can't imagine
> how you ever rode with a flat pedal and sneakers. And that
> when motorists can see you, then they do their best to avoid
> you, and so you find high visibility colors and fabrics to
> wear because it makes you safer. Your feet get cold and wet
> after a long ride, and so you seek out neoprene booties to
> keep your feet nice and dry, no matter how hard its raining.
> Wrap around sunglasses keep **** out of your eyes and you
> don't get migraines from glare any more. And ****! You're that
> weirdo you saw in the LBS years ago.

You have just described me on my cycle to work this morning except the wrap
around sunglasses were clear because it was dark and the neoprene booties
are not much good when the road is 8 inches below the water surface due to
the heavy rain here in Edinburgh.
The strange thing is, I still enjoyed the cycle in.
--
Mark

1x1 wheel, 3x2 wheels & 1x3 wheels.

 

[David Martin]

the.Mark wrote:

> You have just described me on my cycle to work this morning except the
> wrap around sunglasses were clear because it was dark and the neoprene
> booties are not much good when the road is 8 inches below the water
> surface due to the heavy rain here in Edinburgh.
> The strange thing is, I still enjoyed the cycle in.


That's becasue you are sitting in the water on the Windcheetah..

Neoprene booties are great.. I dug mine out for the winter last weekend and
they kept my feet dry for most of the time, and warm all the time. Top
kit..

...d
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