Project Creatine

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  1. Guest

    Guest Guest

    Welcome to the official launch of "Project Creatine"

    Objective

    The objective of this little experiment is to establish whether creatine actually has an effect on training for endurance sports and whether the effect is noticable.

    Project Creatine will run for a period of 4 weeks, starting today and ending on June 28th.

    The first week is a control. Therefore, the subject, (i.e. me) will not take any supplementation other than my usual carbohydrate drink (which is Energy Dynamics Octane). I will initiate a dosage of creatine from June 10th.

    The Subject

    Lab Rat - 29 year old male- 77,5kgs (as of June 2), 173cms tall, Body fat @ 8% (as of May 27). Own Index 58 (as of June 2)

    Equipment

    Bike - Sintesi
    HRM - Polar M21

    Stats
    Last ride = June 2 (pm): 31.2km TT over undulating hills from Midrand to Rock Cottage, Ave spd 30.6 - Ave HR - 166bpm
    (30% fat usage). Max HR sighted 183bpm.

    Felt a little demotivated due to shocking weather over weekend. Felt strong on the hills except on long 5km climb. Legs fatigued due to strength training done June 2 (am).

    Let me know if you need more details.
     
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  2. Guest

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    Shouldn't you also monitor liquid intake during the TT? Just guessing...

    BTW, nice Project, I eagerly await the results!
     
  3. Guest

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    How did you calculate fat utilization?
     
  4. Guest

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    My Polar HRM did ;D . I don't actually know what the importance of this reading actually is but it is an indication of how hard I worked. (And consistent)

    If I cruise without much effort, I usually get a reading of 50%.
    A normal training ride with a bit of effort gives a 40-45% reading and a hard ride usually results in a 30 - 35% reading. I've only been below 30% once during a run whereby my ave HR was 183bpm over 17minutes. Reading was 20%. I've never been able to push myself that hard on my bike. Legs not strong enough.
     
  5. Vo2

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    Your HRM probably calculates the 'fat utilisation' from total calories burnt?
     
  6. Guest

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    DAY 2

    Had to attend an early meeting, so no training today. Seem to be running a bit low on vitamins (hence a break-out on face) (I'll take multivitamins tomorrow). Feet cold.

    Have to drop girlfriend off at the airport this afternoon, so no Kyalami either. Not a good day for project creatine.

    Didn't even bother with an OwnIndex. (sulk. . . :( :'( )
     
  7. Guest

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    Day 3

    Due to drinking spree last night, I decided to take an easy ride in and around Midrand and Rooihuiskraal. Rode alone and kept pace moderate. (If I knew I'd have been this thirsty, I would have drank more last night) ;D

    Training
    Did 35kms at an average of 27km. Felt quite comfortable, but did not work hard on hills do HR recovered from 171bpm to below 140bpm quickly (About 30 secs) (No real testers on this route). Ave HR - 141bpm (50% fat util) (Do you want Kcals burnt?)

    Wanted to do some work at Kyalami this pm, but have meeting scheduled for 5 o clock. Bummer.

    Tomorrow morning will be a better indication.

    Diet

    Did not eat breakfast before ride. Had a club sandwich for dinner and pasta for lunch yesterday, so diet still wayward. Took 5 Spirulina pills and one Bettaway Multivitamin. (See previous posting).
     
  8. Guest

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    Looking good, keep up the good work!
     
  9. Guest

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    Day 4


    Got to bed early enough and a good night's sleep. Up at 4:15 and ready to rumble.

    Training

    Bunch consisted of 10 people. First half of the ride was even easier than yesterday's ride. I decided to only use the big chainring. Halfway through ride, some guys decided to work it up the two testing hills. I was pipped at the top of the first one but was feeling strong. With proper gearing, I'm sure I would've had him. ;D Recovered from 187bpm to about 150 in 35 secs. (It was dark so I had to watch where I was going)
    Took on the Jan Smuts hill in the big chain ring. The same bugger ripped it all the way to the top closely contested by the Rat. (I cannot tell a lie. I had to change to the small chainring 50 meters from the summit.) HR recovered from 195bpm to 140bpm in 1min 20 secs. (I stopped and waited for one of the ladies who was dropped on the hill)

    The aforementioned lady and I worked quite hard for the following 10kms trying to catch the bunch. Unfortunately, she could not maintain the pace and we had to concede. :(

    Caught up to the bunch on Sandton Drive and had an easy ride in.

    Overall I felt strong, but the pace of the ride was not testing enough to test overall condition.

    Stats : Dist = 40.47km / Ave Spd = 27.3 / Ave Hr 140 / 1160KCals @ 45% fat use / Drank 500ml Octane.

    Diet

    I had spaghetti bolognaise for dinner last night. For breakfast (after the ride) I enjoyed a bowl of Oats and 6 spirulina tabs and a multivitamin. Had a chicken burger and chips for lunch (Count those calories). I feel so guilty I'm off to Kyalami this arvi to get those KCals up.
     
  10. Vo2

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    LR, are you planning on a creatine loading phase?
     
  11. Guest

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    Hiya VO2.  Huh ???  Sounds like I should be so let me know how I go about it.  There is still time.

    Day 4 (cont)

    I went to Kyalami to burn a few extra KCals for the Chicken Burger and Chips.  I'm really glad I did coz I got some quality training in.  It was a bit like intervals, except, there was only one interval.

    Training

    Decided to ride in the big chainring all the time again and to grind it on the hills.  (I think Clever Guy) suggested this in the "Strong Legs" string.

    A couple of really strong looking fellows caught me on the mineshaft so I decided to hook in and see how long I could last.  Geesh. . .  These guys were psyco.  Sprinting off the pack (of 4) and hammering it all the time.  (I was pulling so hard on my pedals up the big hill (B4 the mineshaft) that I pulled it out of the cleat completely.  We sped up the hill at 26kmph, which is pretty fast for that hill.  HR was sitting at 183 and staying there.  There was no rest on the downhill, just one huge sprint back into the bunch.

    I felt pretty strong on the ride despite the abuse I was reciving from these guys. (Who by the way were quite a lot older than I). Feeling a huge improvement on the hills already, so I don't know how I will measure this on the creatine induced part on this project.

    Stats :  Dist : 35.3km / Ave Spd : 36.4 / Ave Hr  174bpm / Kcals 1365 @ 25% fat usage.  Drank 500ml of Powerade.  (Had to improvise)  ps.  Had lean chicken breast and rice for dinner.

    Today is a rest day.
     
  12. Vo2

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    Day 4 seemed like a nice session?

    Most creatine re-sellers recommend a loading phase of 5 days, altho the gurus reckon it's not really neccessary. Below is an excerpt from the Absolute Creatine website

    Everyone who sells creatine wants you to do a loading phase where you take 20 grams a day for the first 5 days. From their standpoint - the more you take - the more they sell. However, unless you are in a hurry...loading is not necessary. Studies have shown that people who load have greater gains than people who take just 5 grams a day after the first 2 weeks. However, after 4 weeks both groups are at an equal level. So, all loading does is just get you to the same point 2 weeks faster. We don't think taking 100 grams in 1 week is worth it if all it does is shave 2 weeks off the process. In the end you are not going to have greater gains with loading.
     
  13. Guest

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    Thanks VO2. I think I will load then to cut the time down. If there is an improvement, I will continue using Creatine, but for the purposes of this experiment, we want to see results as soon as possible.

    Day 5

    As you know, day 5 was a rest day. Got a phone call at 9:30 asking me if I wanted to play golf with the boss. How could I decline? Had a shocking round. (Now I know why I ride bikes more often than I swing clubs. ;D ) Had a couple of Hunters Dry's and a Pizza for dinner. :eek: (ps. Had a couple of hotdogs for lunch too.) Not a good diet day.
     
  14. Guest

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    Day 6

    Club ride. Started at 5:40 with a warm-up, UP 12th ave in Rivonia. What a nasty hill. Did 30km before meeting up with the club.

    Training

    The ride was at moderate pace and all of it at talking pace. We had paired up with a riding partner and were rotating the workload as training. How's this for bad luck. My riding partner and I were working at the front of the bunch and split out when it was the next pair's turn. As we got to the back of the bunch, up a hill, his cleat came off his shoe. He slowed down to see what was wrong so I did too. When we realised that there was a problem we shouted to the bunch, but they were already too far away to hear, so bye bye.

    The two of us rode the rest of the way alone, at talking pace, but I decided to keep using the big chain ring and third gear. (I think a 15 or 16 tooth). Thanks Clever Guy, this really works. I feel much stronger on the hills already.

    Met the rest of the club at breakfast.

    Stats

    Distance : 105km / Ave Spd : 30.1km/h / Ave Hr 144bpm / Kcals : 2844 @ 45% fat use. Drank just over 1l of Octane.
    I felt strong on the ride, especially on the hills. I must be getting stronger. :eek:

    Diet
    Fruit salad and crossoint (?) and a cappuchino for breakfast. Had a big lunch with the family, with roast pork, chicken and veggies. (No skin and no fat/rind)
     
  15. Guest

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    Day 7

    Decided to meet a friend for a social MTB ride.  (He is just starting out.)  Rode the 14kms out to meet him quite hard as I knew the ride's pace would be slow.

    Training

    The ride (all offroad) from Midrand to Helderfontein estate is quite fast.  Felt really strong but kept myself from pushing myself to the limit.  Met my friend and rode a further 20kms at a painfully slow pace.  Rode practically the whole route in big chainring and third smallest gear.  (Don't know details of MTB gearing).  Stopped off at a coffee shop and had a cappuchino and croissant for breakfast.  Rode home and pushed it.  Again I felt really strong so I worked it up the hills.

    Stats

    Dist : 50.3km / Ave Spd : 19.8 / Ave Hr / 125bpm / Kcals : 1464 @ 55% fat use.  (Yawn) Drank 750ml of Octane.

    I an really feel an improvement in my climbing on my MTB.

    Diet

    Croissant and cappuchino for breakfast. Toast with Honey for Lunch. Grilled chicken breast and veggies for dinner.

    Did an OwnIndex this am: scored a 53. Looking bad. Resting HR was high at 50bpm.
     
  16. Guest

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    Hello there. Been under the whip a bit so can't post training details. Will update on Tuesday
     
  17. Guest

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    Whew, what a week.  Sorry for not updating the info sooner, but I'm afraid my boss wanted some stuff done pronto.

    Well I did keep records so here goes.  Where were we?

    Day 8

    Today was a rest day. Had Muesli with nuts for breakfast. Pasta with ham and mushrooms for lunch. Dinner was chicken breast, veggies.

    Week does not look too promising for training.
     
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    Day 10

    I'm on study leave. Bonus. I got to sleep late and go riding in the afternoon.

    Training

    Went to Kyalami and hoofed it around the track a few times. Took my walkman along so I could get my mind off the pain. Why you may ask. Coz it's time for INTERVALS.

    Did 6 minute intervals.
    First 6 mins @ 145bpm. Next 6 mins at 140bpm.
    Then 6 mins @ 155bpm + 6 mins @ 140bpm.
    Next 6 mins @ 165bpm + 6 mins @ 140bpm.
    Next 6 mins @ 175bpm + 6 mins @ 145bpm.
    Next 6 mins @ 185bpm + rest.

    I then did 5 +- 200m sprints. Was exhausted.

    Stats

    Despite all the hard work, the HR results apparently don't lie. Should have worked harder.

    Dist 30.2km / Ave Hr 156 / KCals 1365 @ 35% fat use.

    Forgot to look at recovery times. Sorry. Drank 500ml Octane.

    Diet

    Had Muesli with nuts and low fat milk for breakfast.
    Ham and Cheese on Toast with Orange Juice for lunch.
    Couldn't be bothered to cook, so went and got a Nandos burger and salad for dinner. ;D

    Took 5g ESR Creatine with Energade before breakfast. Not sure on training capacity so decided not to "load" yet.
     
  19. Guest

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    Day 11

    Wrote an exam today. Went well, thanks for asking. ;D

    More afternoon training. cool.

    Training

    Went and had a couple of laps at Kyalami. Took it easy-ish and just enjoyed the ride.

    Stats

    Dist : 35km / Ave Spd 31.9kmh / Ave Hr : 143 / Kcals : 1238 @ 40% fat use.

    Felt quite strong and comfortable on the bike. Used big chain-ring on all hills and grinded away. Drank 750ml Octane. HR recovered as usual. 180bpm to 140bpm in about a minute.

    Diet

    Missed breakfast to go to exam.
    Had toast with honey for lunch.
    Grilled chicken breast with rice and veggies for dinner.

    Had 5g Creatine before exam. (I know I'm meant to take it after exercise but timing is all wrong at the moment.) Don't feel any different on the bike.
     
  20. Guest

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    Day 12

    Usual Club morning ride. Easy pace. Took it easy on the hills.

    I have looked at all my notes so far and other than the rides I did on days 15, 17 and 18, there is no significant difference. Training has been consistent as has diet.

    5g Creatine every morning. I'll skip to Day 15 to save you some reading.
     
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