Pros prefer sewups

[Qui si parla Campagnolo]

Matt-<< Personally, I'm glad to be rid of them. >><BR><BR>


Me too. Jobst's and others disdain for these is really a mystery to me.

Peter Chisholm
Vecchio's Bicicletteria
1833 Pearl St.
Boulder, CO, 80302
(303)440-3535
http://www.vecchios.com
"Ruote convenzionali costruite eccezionalmente bene"

 

[Qui si parla Campagnolo]

legend-<< We are all going to be riding tubless clinchers soon anyway.
>><BR><BR>

Don't bet on it. The ability to make a standard rim tubeless compatible is now
a heavier and very unreliable method, when considering 100psi+ tires.

Mavic will foist these vigorously, as they wanna sell their goofy wheels.

Peter Chisholm
Vecchio's Bicicletteria
1833 Pearl St.
Boulder, CO, 80302
(303)440-3535
http://www.vecchios.com
"Ruote convenzionali costruite eccezionalmente bene"

 

[Alan Hoyle]

On 27 May 2004 01:19:40 -0700, LGF wrote:

> We are all going to be riding tubless clinchers soon anyway.....

I thought we were going to be riding "Tubiesto clinchers."

-a

--
Alan Hoyle - [email protected] - http://www.alanhoyle.com/
"I don't want the world, I just want your half." -TMBG
Get Horizontal, Play Ultimate.

 

[Mark South]

"Qui si parla Campagnolo " <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> legend-<< We are all going to be riding tubless clinchers soon anyway.
> >><BR><BR>
>
> Don't bet on it. The ability to make a standard rim tubeless compatible is now
> a heavier and very unreliable method, when considering 100psi+ tires.

How long does it take to fix a flat with these now, and how much of a kit does
one have to carry to do it?

> Mavic will foist these vigorously, as they wanna sell their goofy wheels.

Plus ca change....
--
Mark South
Citizen of the World, Denizen of the Net
<<Tiens! Ce poulet a une grenade!>>

 

[Matt O'Toole]

LGF wrote:

> I can't possibly believe tubulars are such a bad idea. Wasn't the
> Paris-Roubaix won on them again this year? That's a race where the
> pros ride all sorts of non-standard equipment, from cross-bikes to
> front suspension, special wheels etc. Time and again many choose
> tubulars.

They choose wacky dietary supplements, astrology, and weird pre-race rituals
too.

> We are all going to be riding tubless clinchers soon anyway.....

Speak for yourself!

Matt O.

 

[gwhite]

Qui si parla Campagnolo wrote:
>
>
> And your name isn't David.

Nor is this a private forum.

 

[gwhite]

Qui si parla Campagnolo wrote:
>
> David-<< It always seems odd that the best praise of these tires is that they
> are
> straight. That is actually a minimum requirement, isn't it? >><BR><BR>
>
> As with clnchers, many with dual compounds that are not straight at all.
>
> David<< I may not have current knowledge, but I certainly rode plenty of
> excellent, silk tubulars in the '70s. >><BR><BR>
>
> Great, 30 years ago.
>
> David<< Are you suggesting that these
> cotton or cotton/aramid tires are _better_ than the handmade silk tires I
> rode then? Where is the improvement? >><BR><BR>
>
> Nope I'm saying the current crop of tubies are great tires, have many
> advantages and that many racers and riders still use them, as much as you and
> Jobst would like to see them go away, for some reason that I can't fathom.


I can't wait till someone comes out with a better slide rule.

 

[Tom Sherman]

gwhite wrote:

> ...
> I can't wait till someone comes out with a better slide rule.

Since the current ones are good enough for Sheldon Brown to use as a
gear calculator, there is no need for improvement.
<http://www.sheldonbrown.com/sliderule.html>.

--
Tom Sherman – Quad City Area

 

[Qui si parla Campagnolo]

<< Nor is this a private forum. >><BR><BR>

I said something to David, Jobst answered, was my point.

Peter Chisholm
Vecchio's Bicicletteria
1833 Pearl St.
Boulder, CO, 80302
(303)440-3535
http://www.vecchios.com
"Ruote convenzionali costruite eccezionalmente bene"

 

[Qui si parla Campagnolo]

gwhite-<< I can't wait till someone comes out with a better slide rule.
>><BR><BR>

I prefer an abacus myself.

Peter Chisholm
Vecchio's Bicicletteria
1833 Pearl St.
Boulder, CO, 80302
(303)440-3535
http://www.vecchios.com
"Ruote convenzionali costruite eccezionalmente bene"

 

[Mark South]

"S o r n i" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Qui si parla Campagnolo wrote:
>
> > I prefer an abacus myself.
>
> Steel or aluminum?

Titanium rails with carbon fibre beads. Duh.

 

[[email protected]]

On 28 May 2004 13:13:44 GMT, [email protected] (Qui si parla
Campagnolo ) wrote:

><< Nor is this a private forum. >><BR><BR>
>
>I said something to David, Jobst answered, was my point.
>
>Peter Chisholm
>Vecchio's Bicicletteria
>1833 Pearl St.
>Boulder, CO, 80302
>(303)440-3535
>http://www.vecchios.com
>"Ruote convenzionali costruite eccezionalmente bene"

Dear Peter,

Think of it as a talk show. If you don't want other people
to respond, try a convent with vows of silence. Or email
people privately.

Besides, addressing someone as "David" on rec.bicycles.tech
doesn't really narrow things down much. Look at this list of
the ever-increasing horde:

Abraham, Aggett, Allison, Althoff, Amend, "and Lisa," Auker,

Bailey, Beal, Bell, Binks, Blake, Brichler,

Calhoun, Cannell, Charleson, Chen, Clary,

Damerell, "D," DVT, "Dave," Dave-A, de Schweinitz, Disser,

Ebling, Evans, Feyen, Freeman, Fujii,

"G," Gittins,

"H," Hansen, Harvey, Hayes, Holmes,

Jackson, Jewsbury, Johnson, Jones,

Kahn, Kaufman, Kerber, Kirkpatrick, Korzekwa, Kynor,

LaPorte, Larrington, Le Good, Lehnen, Louw, Lozeau,

Mac, Masino, Mennenoh, Miles,

Novoselsky,

O'Brien, Olson, Ornee, Owers,

Regis, Reuteler,

Salovesh, Sampson, Schroeder, Schurig, Serisky, Smith,
Stallard, Steinhart, Stocker, Stracher,

Tan, "the Equipment *****," Thompson, Twinam,

Umterp,

VanderWiel, Vanenbranden, Vincent,

Walker, Waterworth, Weaver, Wenger, Whittle, Wiesenhahn,
Williams, Wilson, Wyman,

Zale

And we have no way to tell how many otherwise
harmless-looking posters use "Dave" as their middle name.

Carl Fogel

 

[Mark South]

<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

> Besides, addressing someone as "David" on rec.bicycles.tech
> doesn't really narrow things down much. Look at this list of
> the ever-increasing horde:

Carl, you left Mark AND Fabrizio off your list.

You have made at least two terrible enemies.

One of whom will deride your fashion sense.

 

[[email protected]]

On Fri, 28 May 2004 21:40:41 +0200, "Mark South"
<[email protected]> wrote:

><[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>
>> Besides, addressing someone as "David" on rec.bicycles.tech
>> doesn't really narrow things down much. Look at this list of
>> the ever-increasing horde:
>
>Carl, you left Mark AND Fabrizio off your list.
>
>You have made at least two terrible enemies.
>
>One of whom will deride your fashion sense.
>

Dear Mark,

If they change their names to "Dave," I'll consider
including them, but with an asterisk to discourage anylone
else from jumping on the DaveWagon.

Dave Brandt? Dave Brown? Dave Muzi? Dave Chisholm? Dave
Dacey? Dave Werehatrack? Dave Beam? Dave Onanian? Dave
Daniels?

[Shudder.]

As for fashion, when I de-ride, my trousseau consists of
elegant rubber sandals, comfortable baggy shorts, and
luridly colored t-shirts, preferably with a pocket on the
front, but never with any logos. Enormous owlish spectacles
complete the ensemble.

In winter, warm-up pants, dark socks, and tennis shoes are
substituted for a layered look.

What's to deride?

Carl Fogel

 

[Mark South]

<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Fri, 28 May 2004 21:40:41 +0200, "Mark South"
> <[email protected]> wrote:

> >Carl, you left Mark AND Fabrizio off your list.
> >
> >You have made at least two terrible enemies.
> >
> >One of whom will deride your fashion sense.
>
> If they change their names to "Dave," I'll consider
> including them, but with an asterisk to discourage anylone
> else from jumping on the DaveWagon.

Carl, that's no excuse.

--
Dave-Mark South: World Citizen, Net Denizen
President of the alternative Fabrizio David Mazzoleni fan club

 

[Qui si parla Campagnolo]

carl-<< Think of it as a talk show. If you don't want other people
to respond, try a convent with vows of silence. Or email
people privately. >><BR><BR>

It's not that I didn't want Jobst to respond, I was 'looking' at david for an
answer, virtually speaking.

I view this as a bunch of people, at a party, say, in a circle, yaking about
bike stuff.

As for private e-mails...they don't bother me at all but ohhh boy, was I
blasted by Jobst when I sent him an e-mail...yowser, you would think I pounded
on his door at 3am...

Peter Chisholm
Vecchio's Bicicletteria
1833 Pearl St.
Boulder, CO, 80302
(303)440-3535
http://www.vecchios.com
"Ruote convenzionali costruite eccezionalmente bene"

 

[dianne_1234]

On Wed, 26 May 2004 18:38:38 GMT, "Shayne Wissler"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Aren't tubulars significantly lighter?

Many tubular rims are lighter than similar clincher rims, and in the
past this was almost universally true.

But I've recently heard that Ksyriums, for example, have clincher and
tubular rims of the same weight. The tubs apparently have extra metal
in the edges for denting resistance. Can anyone measure this?

 

[Tom Sherman]

Qui si parla Campagnolo wrote:

> ...
> As for private e-mails...they don't bother me at all but ohhh boy, was I
> blasted by Jobst when I sent him an e-mail...yowser, you would think I pounded
> on his door at 3am...

Peter,

That is rather odd since Mr. J. Brandt includes his email address in his
signature line. Maybe you failed to show sufficient obsequious respect
for Mr. J. Brandt's unparalleled cycling knowledge and prowess.

--
Tom Sherman – Quad City Area

 

[S o r n i]

Tom Sherman wrote:
> Qui si parla Campagnolo wrote:
>
>> ...
>> As for private e-mails...they don't bother me at all but ohhh boy,
>> was I blasted by Jobst when I sent him an e-mail...yowser, you would
>> think I pounded on his door at 3am...
>
> Peter,
>
> That is rather odd since Mr. J. Brandt includes his email address in
> his signature line. Maybe you failed to show sufficient obsequious
> respect for Mr. J. Brandt's unparalleled cycling knowledge and
> prowess.

It's probably because he referred to him as Jobst or perhaps Mr. Brandt,
instead of the preferred Jobst Brandt /at Stanford Alumini dot whatever/.

Bill "OK, ready to let it go...honest!" S.

 

[[email protected]]

Peter Chisholm writes:

>> Think of it as a talk show. If you don't want other people to
>> respond, try a convent with vows of silence. Or email people
>> privately.

> It's not that I didn't want Jobst to respond, I was 'looking' at
> david for an answer, virtually speaking.

> I view this as a bunch of people, at a party, say, in a circle,
> yaking about bike stuff.

> As for private e-mails... they don't bother me at all but ohhh boy,
> was I blasted by Jobst when I sent him an e-mail... yowser, you
> would think I pounded on his door at 3am...

What you fail to mention was that this wasn't private e-mail but
rather a copy of a provocative follow-up posting that appeared to be
private e-mail and to which I wrote a response. Then I saw the same
item in wreck.bike and I realized that it required a different
response and a corrective e-mail in which I explained why I don't
appreciate gratuitous arguments per e-mail when it isn't mail at all.

There is a difference.

Jobst Brandt
[email protected]