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>> >> Would be an excellent choice Peter, this country needs all the engineers it can get.
>> >> (software especially, btw)
>> >
>> > This term software engineer always bothered me. Could be I'm biased, but it seemed to me Bill
>> > Gates started this term so he could claim to
>> Lets see: BS in ELectrical Engineering, Nearly completed MS in Comp Sci/Software Analysis.
>>
>> This included: 2 years of Physics 2 years of semi-conductor Physics 2 years of software structure
>> and architecture 2 years of Advanced Hardware Design (both Analog and Hardware) Statics,
>> Dynamics, Materials Science, Chemistry More fscking math, including partial differential
>> equations, calculus, calculus and MORE calculus.
>>
>> Oh... and ELECTROMAGNETICS and Laser Theory.
>>
>> Not to mention the assorted classes in Philosophy, Engr Economics, Macro/Micro Econ, and
>> technical writing.
>>
>> So.. before anyone says that Software Engineering is not engineering, then I ask them to step up
>> to the plate and show me what they did to accomplish their career.
>>
>> Joe 'Yeah! I get touchy when my career is slapped!' Cipale
>
> Joe: I've got a simple test I use for the appropriate use of the title "engineer". Is the claimant
> entitled to sit for a PE exam? If so, sounds good... if not, he's (in the gender neutral sense, of
> course) posing.
>
> There are exams for the following:
>
> • PE Agricultural • PE Architectural • PE Chemical • PE Civil • PE Control Systems • PE Electrical
> and Computer • PE Environmental • PE Fire Protection • PE Industrial • PE Manufacturing • PE
> Mechanical • PE Metallurgical • PE Mining and Mineral • PE Naval Architecture and Marine
> Engineering • PE Nuclear • PE Petroleum • PE Structural I • PE Structural II
>
> I don't see PE Software Engineering anywhere on the list
>
> Scott-
The IEEE has been pushing to have a 'Certification' process, similar to what EE/ME/CE/SE/Pet Eng go
through for the last few years. Especially since there is a great deal of sw that is now involved in
human/machine interaction. Much of the Nuclear tasks are controlled electrically through software
and embedded systems. Therefore, there is a need to have this become a certified field.
Please bear in mind: Software and Computers are a reletively new field. At the early beginnings, the
field was comprised primarily of Mathmaticians. As the need and desire for system level controls
developed, the field began to see Electrical, Mechanical and in some cases, Structural engineers
move into the work place. Why? Becuase they had a specific need to address (CAD/CAM, modeling,
control systems, etc).
On a very side note to this whole off-topic thread: I was watching The History Channel last week and
they were doing a show on the US Weapons of Mass Destruction that they are carrying over to Iraq. I
was very, very surprised (nahhhhhhh.. no I wasn't...) to see that many of the computer applications
were running on an embedded Linux system. It seemed odd, till the latest virus that hit this
weekend. Then I remebered that microslop is the most insecure computing platform on the planet. How
do you think Jeff Goldblum and Will Smith were able to tap into the telecom port and infect the
mother-ship with a virus in "Independence Day"? The Aliens were running a pre-release version of
XP... (Last comments DEFINITELY tonuge-in-cheek!)
Okay... back to the rollers and watching the Super-Bowl warmup. Hey, when it rains like a banshee
and one needs to ride, why not multi-task?
Joe
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