Protecting a carbon fiber frame

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  1. Yan Seiner

    Yan Seiner Guest

    I have a carbon fiber frame. My heels strike the rear chainstays, and I've started to wear through
    the paint and layers of carbon fiber.

    My LBS used to carry a thick, clear plastic stick-on stuff for protecting frames from this and other
    kinds of damage; they can no longer get it.

    Any idea on what to do to protect the frame? Because of reasons of personal geometry (i.e. my
    knees, hips, etc. are pretty much out of line) moving the pedals out with any kind of spacers is
    not possible.

    --Yan
     
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  2. Tauras

    Tauras Guest

    I've been using close cell 1/8 inch foam I scrounged from a bodyboard manufacturer, I just hot glue
    it onto parts of my frame that bite me and I also made a trick frame fender to keep the downtube
    ding free and drive train clean from trail debris. Latest version covers all rings and bb. Best
    thing about the foam is its soft (unbreakable), very light and weatherproof.

    http://www.kcbx.net/~tsulaiti/foam3.jpg

    Tauras http://www.kcbx.net/~tsulaiti/surfreport/

    "Yan Seiner" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > I have a carbon fiber frame. My heels strike the rear chainstays, and I've started to wear through
    > the paint and layers of carbon fiber.
    >
    > My LBS used to carry a thick, clear plastic stick-on stuff for protecting frames from this and
    > other kinds of damage; they can no longer get it.
    >
    > Any idea on what to do to protect the frame? Because of reasons of personal geometry (i.e. my
    > knees, hips, etc. are pretty much out of line) moving the pedals out with any kind of spacers is
    > not possible.
    >
    > --Yan

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  3. Terry Morse

    Terry Morse Guest

    Yan Seiner wrote:

    > I have a carbon fiber frame. My heels strike the rear chainstays, and I've started to wear through
    > the paint and layers of carbon fiber.

    What you need is 3M ScotchCal clear adhesive film, 8 mil thickness. The problem is that it's not
    available in retail. You need to get it from a body shop:

    http://www.xpel.com/paint/scotchal.html
    --
    terry morse Palo Alto, CA http://www.terrymorse.com/bike/
     
  4. Ajames54™

    Ajames54™ Guest

    On Mon, 21 Apr 2003 07:55:48 -0700, Terry Morse <[email protected]> wrote:

    >Yan Seiner wrote:
    >
    >> I have a carbon fiber frame. My heels strike the rear chainstays, and I've started to wear
    >> through the paint and layers of carbon fiber.
    >
    >What you need is 3M ScotchCal clear adhesive film, 8 mil thickness. The problem is that it's not
    >available in retail. You need to get it from a body shop:
    >
    >http://www.xpel.com/paint/scotchal.html

    There was a product available at ski shops called "ski saver" tape ... which sounds lots like the
    above mentioned 3M product...I've used it in the past as a top-tube and chain stay protector...might
    be worth a look.
     
  5. "ajames54T" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > On Mon, 21 Apr 2003 07:55:48 -0700, Terry Morse <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    > >Yan Seiner wrote:
    > >
    > >> I have a carbon fiber frame. My heels strike the rear chainstays, and I've started to wear
    > >> through the paint and layers of carbon fiber.
    > >
    > >What you need is 3M ScotchCal clear adhesive film, 8 mil thickness. The problem is that it's not
    > >available in retail. You need to get it from a body shop:
    > >
    > >http://www.xpel.com/paint/scotchal.html
    >
    >
    > There was a product available at ski shops called "ski saver" tape ... which sounds lots like the
    > above mentioned 3M product...I've used it in the past as a top-tube and chain stay
    > protector...might be worth a look.

    'Ski Saver' is no longer available. I tried calling the company, the phone is non-working number.

    A very similar, if not the same, product is 'Bike Saver' tape from Colorado Cyclist:
    http://www.coloradocyclist.com/common/products/productdisplay2.cfm?PRRFNBR=1 2299

    Maybe a couple of thickness of this stuff on your chainstay would do the trick
     
  6. Ajames54™

    Ajames54™ Guest

    On Mon, 21 Apr 2003 15:22:59 GMT, "Dave Thompson" <[email protected]> wrote:

    >
    >"ajames54T" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >news:[email protected]...
    >> On Mon, 21 Apr 2003 07:55:48 -0700, Terry Morse <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>
    >> >Yan Seiner wrote:
    >> >
    SNIP.
    >
    >'Ski Saver' is no longer available. I tried calling the company, the phone is non-working number.
    >
    >A very similar, if not the same, product is 'Bike Saver' tape from Colorado Cyclist:
    >http://www.coloradocyclist.com/common/products/productdisplay2.cfm?PRRFNBR=12299
    >
    >Maybe a couple of thickness of this stuff on your chainstay would do the trick
    >

    What a shame, it was a great product ... next time I need something like it I'll canvas my local
    auto paint places until I find one that will sell me a bit of the 3M stuff...
     
  7. I was wrong about the Ski Saver tape no longer being available. The tape sold by Colorado Cyclist is
    the same! I just spoke to the owner of Allsaver Tape Products, who manufacture the tape for a
    variety of uses including bicycles, automotive, aviation and, of course skis. See their website
    (which doesn't have bike info) for their stuff: http://www.allsaver.com/index.html

    Also, here's the proper link to the CC site:
    http://www.coloradocyclist.com/common/products/productdisplay2.cfm?PRRFNBR=1 2299

    Also, Allsaver told me that ski shops that do a lot of rentals use Ski Saver tape. Now that the ski
    season is over, it might be a good time to ask the shops if they would sell you some.

    "ajames54T" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > On Mon, 21 Apr 2003 15:22:59 GMT, "Dave Thompson" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    > >
    > >"ajames54T" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > >news:[email protected]...
    > >> On Mon, 21 Apr 2003 07:55:48 -0700, Terry Morse <[email protected]> wrote:
    > >>
    > >> >Yan Seiner wrote:
    > >> >
    > SNIP.
    > >
    > >'Ski Saver' is no longer available. I tried calling the company, the
    phone
    > >is non-working number.
    > >
    > >A very similar, if not the same, product is 'Bike Saver' tape from
    Colorado
    > >Cyclist:
    >
    >http://www.coloradocyclist.com/common/products/productdisplay2.cfm?PRRFNBR=
    12299
    > >
    > >Maybe a couple of thickness of this stuff on your chainstay would do the trick
    > >
    >
    > What a shame, it was a great product ... next time I need something like it I'll canvas my local
    > auto paint places until I find one that will sell me a bit of the 3M stuff...
     
  8. H. M. Leary

    H. M. Leary Guest

    In article <[email protected]>, Terry Morse <[email protected]> wrote:

    > Yan Seiner wrote:
    >
    > > I have a carbon fiber frame. My heels strike the rear chainstays, and I've started to wear
    > > through the paint and layers of carbon fiber.
    >
    > What you need is 3M ScotchCal clear adhesive film, 8 mil thickness. The problem is that it's not
    > available in retail. You need to get it from a body shop:
    >
    > http://www.xpel.com/paint/scotchal.html
    > --
    > terry morse Palo Alto, CA http://www.terrymorse.com/bike/

    Does someone still make Lizzard Skins??

    I still have ¹em on an old mountain bike and on one of my ti bikes for very much the same reason.

    Try searching Nashbar or Coloradocyclist.

    HTH

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    ³Freedom Is a Light for Which Many Have Died in Darkness³

    - Tomb of the unknown - American Revolution
     
  9. H. M. Leary

    H. M. Leary Guest

    In article <[email protected]>, "H. M. Leary"
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    > In article <[email protected]>, Terry Morse <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    > > Yan Seiner wrote:
    > >
    > > > I have a carbon fiber frame. My heels strike the rear chainstays, and I've started to wear
    > > > through the paint and layers of carbon fiber.
    > >
    >snip

    http://www.performancebike.com/shop/Profile.html?SKU=16462&Store=Bike

    try the above for a carbon fiber chainstay protector.

    nasbar has the Lizard Skins go $6US.

    HTH

    --
    ³Freedom Is a Light for Which Many Have Died in Darkness³

    - Tomb of the unknown - American Revolution
     
  10. H. M. Leary wrote:
    > In article <[email protected]>, "H. M. Leary"
    > <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >
    >>In article <[email protected]>, Terry Morse <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>
    >>
    >>>Yan Seiner wrote:
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>>I have a carbon fiber frame. My heels strike the rear chainstays, and I've started to wear
    >>>>through the paint and layers of carbon fiber.
    >>>
    >>snip
    >
    >
    > http://www.performancebike.com/shop/Profile.html?SKU=16462&Store=Bike
    >
    > try the above for a carbon fiber chainstay protector.
    >
    > nasbar has the Lizard Skins go $6US.
    >
    > HTH
    >

    The CF chainstay protectors (as well as the smaller frame protectors) don't stick to frames too
    well. People have been having awful problems with them. Unless you have square-section chainstays,
    and score the patch at the bend, then don't bother - it won't stick well.

    Jon Bond
     
  11. Matt O'Toole

    Matt O'Toole Guest

    "Dave Thompson" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    >
    > "ajames54T" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > > On Mon, 21 Apr 2003 07:55:48 -0700, Terry Morse <[email protected]> wrote:
    > >
    > > >Yan Seiner wrote:
    > > >
    > > >> I have a carbon fiber frame. My heels strike the
    rear chainstays, and
    > > >> I've started to wear through the paint and layers of
    carbon fiber.
    > > >
    > > >What you need is 3M ScotchCal clear adhesive film, 8
    mil thickness. The
    > > >problem is that it's not available in retail. You need
    to get it from a
    > > >body shop:
    > > >
    > > >http://www.xpel.com/paint/scotchal.html
    > >
    > >
    > > There was a product available at ski shops called "ski
    saver"
    > > tape ... which sounds lots like the above mentioned 3M product...I've used it in the past as a
    > > top-tube and
    chain stay
    > > protector...might be worth a look.
    >
    > 'Ski Saver' is no longer available. I tried calling the
    company, the phone
    > is non-working number.
    >
    > A very similar, if not the same, product is 'Bike Saver'
    tape from Colorado
    > Cyclist:
    >
    http://www.coloradocyclist.com/common/products/productdispla
    y2.cfm?PRRFNBR=1
    > 2299
    >
    > Maybe a couple of thickness of this stuff on your
    chainstay would do the
    > trick

    Very similar, more widely available, and probably cheaper, is plain old polyurethane packing tape.
    It's basically the same thing but thinner. Look for the most expensive one at your local OfficeMax
    or U-Haul. That's the thick one, the one you want.

    Matt O.
     
  12. "Matt O'Toole" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    >
    > "Dave Thompson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > >
    > > "ajames54T" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > > news:[email protected]...
    > > > On Mon, 21 Apr 2003 07:55:48 -0700, Terry Morse <[email protected]> wrote:
    > > >
    > > > >Yan Seiner wrote:
    > > > >
    > > > >> I have a carbon fiber frame. My heels strike the
    > rear chainstays, and
    > > > >> I've started to wear through the paint and layers of
    > carbon fiber.
    > > > >
    > > > >What you need is 3M ScotchCal clear adhesive film, 8
    > mil thickness. The
    > > > >problem is that it's not available in retail. You need
    > to get it from a
    > > > >body shop:
    > > > >
    > > > >http://www.xpel.com/paint/scotchal.html
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > There was a product available at ski shops called "ski
    > saver"
    > > > tape ... which sounds lots like the above mentioned 3M product...I've used it in the past as a
    > > > top-tube and
    > chain stay
    > > > protector...might be worth a look.
    > >
    > > 'Ski Saver' is no longer available. I tried calling the
    > company, the phone
    > > is non-working number.
    > >
    > > A very similar, if not the same, product is 'Bike Saver'
    > tape from Colorado
    > > Cyclist:
    > >
    > http://www.coloradocyclist.com/common/products/productdispla
    > y2.cfm?PRRFNBR=1
    > > 2299
    > >
    > > Maybe a couple of thickness of this stuff on your
    > chainstay would do the
    > > trick
    >
    > Very similar, more widely available, and probably cheaper, is plain old polyurethane packing tape.
    > It's basically the same thing but thinner. Look for the most expensive one at your local OfficeMax
    > or U-Haul. That's the thick one, the one you want.
    >
    > Matt O.
    >
    A BIG caveat about using packing tape; it's designed to stick! It can pull of some paint on it's
    removal. The 'Bike Saver' type tape does not adhere quite so tenaciously and doesn't have the
    propensity to try to remove your paintwork.
     
  13. Andrew Price

    Andrew Price Guest

    "Yan Seiner" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    >
    > Any idea on what to do to protect the frame? Because of reasons of personal geometry (i.e. my
    > knees, hips, etc. are pretty much out of line) moving the pedals out with any kind of spacers is
    > not possible.
    >
    Yan -

    Your probably attending to this but getting you fixed is going to be way more important than
    protecting the frame.

    See a really good (v experienced) bike shop guy used to doing custom fits - got a recommendation
    if your in Sydney or Melbourne but the guys that do a lot of custom fits get very good at
    recommending a fix for the underlying problem - and if your heel striking a chain stay something
    is way out of wack.

    Tape is temporary, posture is forever - hope you find a cure

    best Andrew
     
  14. Dan

    Dan Guest

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