I'd just like to inform that vegemaniacs that cooked dead animal flesh tastes REALLY fecking good.
Originally posted by dhk
favorites like good old collard greens, okra and blackeyed peas all contain significant protein per 200 calorie servings.
Originally posted by belfast-biker
MMMmmm.... BBQ's must be a riot at Chez-dhk.....
Flesh tastes better! LOL
Originally posted by Beastt
1. Often within 6-months to a year of the time people choose to give up the flesh on their plate,
2. By the way, barbeques smell horrid.
3. he noted the smell in the air and asked someone who was having lunch adding that it smelled good. He wasn't sure how to react when they told him what he smelled was the dogs burning in the back room.
Originally posted by belfast-biker
1. Why would I choose to give up meat? Surely those choosing to give it up are those who are going to feel sicked at putting it in their mouth, makes sense?
Originally posted by belfast-biker
2. No, they don't. I salivate when I smell one, therefore to my body they smell lovely.
Originally posted by belfast-biker
3. If dog tasted good and was readily available legally, I'd hapily eat it.
Originally posted by Beastt
Then perhaps you're in luck! Poshintang Korean dog soup is said to be best if the dog is beaten to death.
Originally posted by Beastt
People seem to think of placing things that most of us consider disgusting in their mouths and swallowing them as some test of bravado or courage. If such is the case
belfast-biker said:Not a lot of use to me if I have to import it...
It's not.
What's brave about eating a steak? It's just meat.
ejglows said:Hey there Sandi (sorry if that is spelled wrong)
I think you should know that there are simply alternatives to protein powder. I am a veggie and have been for years, having competed at Division 1 college athletics in both rowing and softball (one endurance and one explosive) and have found no problem in getting adequate protein intake from a varied diet. Make sure you have your blood checked once or twice a year to ensure that you are not becoming anemic (gotta love the `perks` of being a woman). Check with a dietician if you are unsure. It shouldnt be a new phenomena to seek out the alternatives with GMO foods, steroids/antibiotics added to animal meats, and pollution damaging our food supplies. Quite simply put, in this day and age eating meat is not necessary unless you dont have any other option. With the variety of foods available, do what feels good for your body. To each, his or her own.
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PM me if you have any questions.
Beastt said:Those who are strict carnivores such as lions and tigers tend to carry more weight and muscle mass and produce short-term, explosive power but quickly tire from exertion and usually spend more time sleeping. In the case of lions, 21-hours of sleep daily is about average. These animals also tend to gorge, consuming large quantities at each meal then go for a period of time without eating.
Animals which are strict herbivores tend to be lighter, (though there are a number of notable exceptions), and produce less explosive power but tend to have greater stamina. They remain awake for more than half the day and tend to graze or nibble throughout the day.
Physiologically, carnivores usually pant to cool their bodies. They have large canine teeth which extend into gaps in the teeth on the opposing jaw structure, with small, sharp incisores and sharp jagged molars for cutting meat and tendons. They display claws on the feet and have less well developed salivary glands. The saliva itself is usually acidic and doesn't contain special enzymes for pre-digesting any plant tissues. The stomach produces an acid much stronger than that produced by herbivores and the digestive tract is characteristically smooth inside and about 3-times the length of the body.
Herbivores tend to cool their bodies by sweating through pores in the skin. They display teeth of generally equal length with flat back molars and move the jaw side to side while chewing rather than just up and down. They have well developed salivary glands and alkaline saliva with an enzyme called ptyalin. They have no claws, produce relatively weak stomach acid and have long, twisted and puckered digestive tracts about 10-times their body length.
Beastt said:Some very good points and you're quite right of course that eating meat isn't necessary. But it has little to do with the day and age. Vegetarianism has a long, long history. Statistically, vegetarian women actually suffer fewer cases of anemia than do their counter-parts who prefer to ingest animal-products. The same goes for many other ailments, which should be no surprise once a good objective look has been had at human physiology.
Clark six8 said:Vegan is not just a lifestyle, it's a religion!
It seems we're drifting off topic a bit and I'm afraid I may have started that trend. Having said that, perhaps a discussion of protein sources isn't so far off topic from protein requirements since the idea that we need so much protein is largely tied to the assumption that we're biologically dependent upon animal-based foods to obtain the necessary amounts of protein.menglish6 said:I know that this is a bit off topic, but I'm confused by how this comparison between herbivores and carnivores in the animal kingdom relates to humans exactly. Other than the fact that if you distill it down to the points that are relevant it looks like we dont' really fall into either category...(hence the term omnivore i guess).
Which physiological aspects, specifically?menglish6 said:alot of the physiological aspects of herbivores and carnivores that you enumerate are just as likely to be a result of the hunter / hunted relationship as they are to be a result of the type of fuel that each uses.
There seems to be confusion, or perhaps an attempt to create confusion regarding herbivores and ruminants. All ruminants, (to the best of my knowledge) are herbivores but not all herbivores are ruminants. Humans fall neatly into the herbivorours, non-ruminant classification.menglish6 said:In terms of carnivores, humans have no ability to digest cellulose, our stomach acids have pretty low ph, we chew in one dimension (up and down, vs. around in circles)
Agreed, and we display many other herbivorous traits as well. What we don't seem to display are the traits common to carnivores and, though it's a finer line, we do differ from other examples of omnivores within the animal kingdom.menglish6 said:But we are also related to herbavores...we sweat through pores and we have fairly herbivore type teeth.
It would seem that you're suggesting that there is no connection between natural diet and healthful diet. I assume that this is analogous to the idea that burning gasoline in diesel engine is perhaps not the intended fuel, but should work just as well.menglish6 said:I'm not sure how any of this relates to humans being better suited to being vegetarian or not though. I think it's quite clear that throughout our history we've been omnivores, eating whatever was available to us, cause we had to in order to survive. Since we now have the luxury of deciding that maybe we'd like to cut meat out of our diet completely we may find that that is in fact more healthful for us, but if it is indeed more healthy for us it has little to do with some notion of human's being more naturally herbivores than carnivores.
Beastt said:Which physiological aspects, specifically?
Beastt said:There seems to be confusion, or perhaps an attempt to create confusion regarding herbivores and ruminants. All ruminants, (to the best of my knowledge) are herbivores but not all herbivores are ruminants. Humans fall neatly into the herbivorours, non-ruminant classification.
Beastt said:Cannibalism is also a well documented part of human history but I would assume that few would agree that this serves as a good reason to go back to eating other humans.
Beastt said:Statistically, those who design their diets to comply with what physiology suggest, have fewer problems with becoming over-weight to begin with. This would seem, to some, to be a better choice than attempting to counter the problem of excess weight through increased protein intake. Natural prevention rather than unnatural treatment.
menglish6 said:First of all, I wasn't trying to claim that Humans aren't animals, simply that comparing us to herbivores and carnivores doesn't work because we're omnivores.
menglish6 said:For instance sleeping patterns. I came away from your original post with the feeling that you'd implied that eating only vegetables will cause you to require less sleep, because herbivores sleep less than carnivores. Unless there is some research to show that this is the case, my instincts tell me that the herbivores that slept late all got eaten hundreds of millions of years ago and that's why we don't see alot of sleepy deer. Barring some evidence one way or the other both explanations are equally plausible.
menglish6 said:Another example is explosive power vs. stamina, again playing to the notion that if you eat like a herbivore you will be eating the more natural diet of a stamina athlete. Again this trend (which has many counter examples, a hunting dog being the first that springs to my mind) could just as easily be explained by the notion that a quick explosive burst from a carnivore is more likely to be successful in overcoming it's prey, while the prey needs to be able to attempt to avoid preditors possibly all day long.
menglish6 said:This is true. Usually when one says herbivore they think of ruminants or other cellulose digesting animals. This of course is not all herbivores, there are also frugivores and folivores (fruit and leaves respectively). Interestingly Humans could really only fit into the frugivore category, as our digestive times are too short to get more than 1-10% of the energy out of fiber without major adaptations like increased cellulose digesting bacteria or adding a fermentation phase to digestion.
menglish6 said:Agreed. But, I have read one theory that says the reason that it continued in the areas that it was prevalent was because it provided a much needed source of protein.
menglish6 said:I guess in my mind the fact that humans have been hunting and eating meat since our genus was distinguishable (around 2.5 million years ago) makes me feel that eating meat is a natural part of our physiology. Noting similarities with a strain of herbivores does not in my mind mean that we've been somehow running our gasoline engines on deisel for however many millions of years, it just means we have some similar characteristics.
menglish6 said:Now, I do feel that meet has historically played a very different role among human fuel sources in the past than it does now. I'm sure it was a much smaller part of our diet in the past (although, there are cases of human societies who subsisted solely on meat, eskimos aparently used to do this), and this I do believe is a much healthier way to eat.
menglish6 said:Although, maybe we are just now encountering the long term effects of the necessary choices made by our ancestors millions of years ago. They had to eat meat to get enough protein to live, but they died in their 20s or 30s anyway, so they never got colon cancer from too much meat. Now we're finding that too much meat is causing those problems? That's definately plausible, but it's not cause we're naturally herbivores, **** Sapien is quite clearly an omnivore and has been through it's whole history.
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