PW: ugh.... killer wind!



On Wed, 6 Jul 2005 20:35:28 +0000 (UTC), "the.Mark"
<[email protected]> wrote:


>Stick with it you'll eventually start to enjoy adverse weather. Today
>I cycled home in the wettest weather I've been in for a long time. The
>rain was dripping off my nose as I cycled up hill into what wind there
>was and I was actually smiling.


I quite like being out in the rain :)



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On Thu, 07 Jul 2005 08:57:36 GMT, [email protected] (Steven)
wrote:


>I don't think I'll *ever* get to appreciate strong headwinds.
>
>They seem to sap the will to live, let alone cycle.
>
>I can't understand why it is that I can see a hill, and think; "Ah, a chance to
>really get the heart pumping", and yet a headwind just makes me want to be
>somewhere else.


That's pretty much how it struck me!


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Peewiglet wrote:

> Thanks, but I'm saving now for a trip to the Pyrenees :)


Get a sporty touring recumbent, and cycle there! ;-)

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Peewiglet wrote:

> That's interesting! When you say low handlebars, do you mean the
> dropped ones, or just set lower?


Could be either. For best results into the wind (at least on an
upwrong) you might look at triathlon bars, something like this:

http://www.ctcshop.com/product.jsp?style=10374

That gets you into the most efficient aero tuck you can still pedal in,
but they're only much use on fairly routine sections at some speed as
you're away from your controls and not really set up to move the bars
much for lower speed control.

> I think my saddle has been too low, as I've felt as though I was
> crouching and my knees have been getting sore. I'm going to raise it a
> little this afternoon.


IME the best way to set it is ride around your neighbourhood with a
suitable adjustment tool and fiddle and fettle empirically until it's as
good as you can get it. Optimum height will differ by preference as
well as leg length, but leg /almost/ straight with heel on the pedal at
the very bottom of the range is a good place to start.

Another thing for knees is (assuming you're not already doing so)
spinning lower gears *and* getting some connection to the pedals, either
by toe-clips and straps or pedals like SPuDs where there's a cleat in
the shoe that snaps in to the pedal mechanism. The latter is better,
and easier to get in and out of after a little practice, but either
makes your pedalling more efficient which means less grief for the knees
over the same run. One of the main downsides of SPuDs or SPuD-u-likes
is you need a special pair of cycling shoes for them, but having said
that even if you don't bother with any formal attachment to the pedals
it's worth having proper cycling shoes for any sort of distance as they
just work better for the job. Another downside is you have a bike which
isn't so easy to pedal in normal shoes, bummer if you're just on a 5
minute hack to the shops, but you can get pedals with a SPuD mechanism
on one side and a normal platform on the other which gets around this.

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Peewiglet wrote:
> On 7 Jul 2005 01:08:05 -0700, "iakobski" <[email protected]>
> wrote:


>>My ride home, head on into a force 5 (22 knots) was even harder with
>>the addition of a large pannier full of sodden wetsuit, shoes, harness,
>>towel, etc. But at least that reminded me how much fun I had at
>>lunchtime in the force 5 whizzing about on the lake!


> Wow! What sort of a bike does that, then?


See http://www.ihpva.org/Water/

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On Fri, 08 Jul 2005 11:37:13 +0100, Peter Clinch
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Peewiglet wrote:
>
>> That's interesting! When you say low handlebars, do you mean the
>> dropped ones, or just set lower?

>
>Could be either. For best results into the wind (at least on an
>upwrong) you might look at triathlon bars, something like this:
>
>http://www.ctcshop.com/product.jsp?style=10374


I don't see how that works - I can't work out which end is which!


>IME the best way to set it is ride around your neighbourhood with a
>suitable adjustment tool and fiddle and fettle empirically until it's as
>good as you can get it. Optimum height will differ by preference as
>well as leg length, but leg /almost/ straight with heel on the pedal at
>the very bottom of the range is a good place to start.


Yes, that's what I plan to do, thanks. I noticed in the Cyclecraft
book that arrived y/day that heel at bottom of range was suggested as
best starting place. I'm going into the garden soon to see where mine
is currently.
>
>Another thing for knees is (assuming you're not already doing so)
>spinning lower gears *and* getting some connection to the pedals, either
>by toe-clips and straps or pedals like SPuDs where there's a cleat in
>the shoe that snaps in to the pedal mechanism.


By coincidence, my local shop was fitting the toe clips for me when
you typed this earlier today. I've just collected the bike, and I
think they're going to be a great help.



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Peewiglet wrote:

[aero bars]
> I don't see how that works - I can't work out which end is which!


The riding position is with your elbows/forearms either side of the
handlebar stem, resting on the pads. The main bar protrudes forwards
from there, and your hands rest on the ends. Think of the chaps doing
the track cycling at the Olympics...

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/cycling/1998/tourdefrance/tourdefrancearchive/images/lemond.jpg
gives an example, obviously a bit more extreme than a pair mounted on a
hybrid for a commute, but you can see how they work.

They're not very common off time trial and triathlon bikes, but they do
get used for less specialised cycling that just happens to be into winds
on long hacks.

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On Fri, 08 Jul 2005 11:47:31 +0100, Peter Clinch
<[email protected]> wrote:


>>>My ride home, head on into a force 5 (22 knots) was even harder with
>>>the addition of a large pannier full of sodden wetsuit, shoes, harness,
>>>towel, etc. But at least that reminded me how much fun I had at
>>>lunchtime in the force 5 whizzing about on the lake!

>
>> Wow! What sort of a bike does that, then?

>
>See http://www.ihpva.org/Water/


Ok, I should have realised there'd be a bike for all conditions! :)



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On Fri, 08 Jul 2005 13:12:50 +0100, Peter Clinch
<[email protected]> wrote:


>The riding position is with your elbows/forearms either side of the
>handlebar stem, resting on the pads. The main bar protrudes forwards
>from there, and your hands rest on the ends. Think of the chaps doing
>the track cycling at the Olympics...
>
>http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/cycling/1998/tourdefrance/tourdefrancearchive/images/lemond.jpg
>gives an example, obviously a bit more extreme than a pair mounted on a
>hybrid for a commute, but you can see how they work.


I see - thanks!
>
>They're not very common off time trial and triathlon bikes, but they do
>get used for less specialised cycling that just happens to be into winds
>on long hacks.


I'll keep it in mind.



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On Fri, 08 Jul 2005 11:07:28 +0100, Peewiglet wrote:

> On Thu, 7 Jul 2005 19:10:41 +0000, killermike <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>>I've got a mountain bike and I am considering trying a configuration with
>>low handlebars and higher seat for a more aerodynamic riding position. I
>>/think/ that you can /some/ relief by putting your head down low in
>>situations like.

>
> That's interesting! When you say low handlebars, do you mean the
> dropped ones, or just set lower?


To begin with, I am going to try experimenting with seat and handle bar
height. I might consider getting a wiggly handle bar that can offer
multiple positions at some point in the future. The problem is that, for
riding in town, I like the upright position as I like the height. I might
reconsider my opinion on that after experimentation though.

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