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"'THE LAST DAYS OF THE QUACKBUSTERS'...

Opinion by Consumer Advocate Tim Bolen ([email hidden])

I've been following the activities of the 'Quackbusters' for about five
years, ever since the name Stephen Barrett (quackwatch.com) came up, as
a player, against a client of mine in California. I asked the question
'why would this group be using a doctor from Pennsylvania, as their
witness, when there are 300,000 health professionals in this State?'

Thus began my education. Now I'm going to educate YOU...

The 'quackbuster' operation is a conspiracy. It is a propaganda
enterprise, one part crackpot, two parts evil. It's sole purpose is to
discredit, and suppress, in an 'anything goes' attack mode, what is
wrongfully named 'Alternative Medicine.' It has declared war on
reality. The conspirators are acting in the interests of, and are
being paid, directly and indirectly, by the 'conventional'
medical-industrial complex.

Millions of health freedom fighters, and members of the public,
worldwide, know what I know. Public outrage and reaction is growing.
After 25 years of unopposed success, the 'Quackbusters' are now in real
trouble... 'The end' for them, has begun. They, themselves are being
hunted.

The 'Quackbuster Conspiracy' is in a desperate place now. They know
they've lost the war, and are going to pay a terrible price for their
actions. The fear is in their eyes...

CRACKPOTS?

Yes. When the self-named 'Quackbusters' stumbled around to find a
derisive name to call their victims, they picked the word 'Quack,'
without ever bothering to discover it's origins. Its original meaning,
from Europe, comes from the term 'quacksalver' which was used to
describe Dentists who were dumb enough to use mercury (a poison) as
fillings for teeth. Look at propagandist, and 'Quackbuster' king-pin,
Stephen Barrett's website (quackwatch.com), and you'll find that HE IS
IN FAVOR of mercury (amalgam) tooth fillings.
Barrett, his cronies, and minions, are not known to do intelligent
research.
...."
Read more at:
http://www.quackpotwatch.org
--
The above is a direct quotation of what is clearly labeled as an
opinion piece written by Tim Bolen, and is reproduced here under the
fair use doctrine (http://www.copyright.gov/fls/fl102.html).

"Tim Bolen is a Crisis Management Consultant, and a Consumer Advocate,
in the Health Care Industry."
http://www.quackpotwatch.org/opinionpieces/tim%20bolen.htm

The views expressed above are solely the opinion of Tim Bolen. The
poster, the newsgroups, nor any other Internet forum that this and
previous posts might appear on do NOT necessarily subscribe to any of
the views expressed on these opinion pieces written by Tim Bolen.

Recommended anti-quackbusters web pages:
http://www.quackpotwatch.org/
http://www.bolenreport.net/
http://www.northamericanconsumersagainsthealthfraud.org/
http://www.healthfreedomnews.com/index.html
http://www.iahf.com/
http://www4.dr-rath-foundation.org/The_Hague/uslawsuits.htm
http://www.wcanews.com/archives/2002/may2202c.htm
http://www.usdoj.gov/dag/pubdoc/hipaa01fe19.htm

Sbharrisatsignix.netcom.com said:

Mark Probert said:

Quoted message said:

> author of the infamous "quackwatch.com" website, will be officially
confronted in a Courtroom in his home town of Allentown, Pennsylvania.
Barrett was forced to give up his medical license in 1993 when he lost
his part-time employment at the State mental hospital and because he
had so few patients, he couldn't afford the required malpractice
insurance premiums any more.

Which is pure [censored].

COMMENT:

Indeed it is. Malpractice insurance is not required to keep your
license active. All that's required is you pay the state's licencing
fees (yes, all the state wants is your money-- sound familiar?). Which
are usually a hundred to several hundred $ a year, varying from state
to state. Some doctors, upon retirement, don't see any reason to put
up with the nuisance or expense. Dr. Barrett was one. This does not
make them non-doctors.

Nobody on the planet gives a [censored] about that, Moron.

Just thought that you might want to know.

Now kindly start talking about the real issues like the conspiracy in
medicine NOT to report iatrogenic deaths. And, why there is a
conspiracy NOT to track iatrogenic deaths on the national level when
they are the leading cause death in the USA.
http://www.nutritioninstituteofamerica.org/research/DeathByMedicine/DeathByMedicine1.htm

You do the research. I cannot change your denial. I have watched your
ignorance flourish in these groups for a few years now.

I am not the next victim of your trolling.

"Rich" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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"Pizza Girl." <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Some peope just get tired of the repression of good science and
alternative
arts by others with a long history of failures in their chosen "superior"
field

Stated like "repression of good science" is the norm. Would you care to
provide us with a few examples of this "good science" that has been
"repressed"? Perhaps you can give us just one example and explain what made
the science "good", and how it was repressed, and by whom? Make sure that
the "whom" have a long history of failures that you can cite. Or maybe you
just made it up?
--

--Rich

Recommended websites:

http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles
http://www.acahf.org.au
http://www.quackwatch.org/
http://www.skeptic.com/
http://www.csicop.org/

"Pizza Girl." <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

"Rich" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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"Pizza Girl." <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Some peope just get tired of the repression of good science and
alternative
arts by others with a long history of failures in their chosen
"superior"
field

Quoted message said:

Stated like "repression of good science" is the norm. Would you care to
provide us with a few examples of this "good science" that has been
"repressed"? Perhaps you can give us just one example and explain what
made
the science "good", and how it was repressed, and by whom? Make sure that
the "whom" have a long history of failures that you can cite. Or maybe
you
just made it up?

Quoted message said:

You do the research. I cannot change your denial. I have watched your
ignorance flourish in these groups for a few years now.

I am not the next victim of your trolling.

In other words, you did make it up, and cannot provide a single example to
back up your empty accusation. There is no "repression of good science," and
there is no "long history of failures." Get over it.
--

--Rich

Recommended websites:

http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles
http://www.acahf.org.au
http://www.quackwatch.org/
http://www.skeptic.com/
http://www.csicop.org/

Mr-Natural-Health said:

Sbharrisatsignix.netcom.com said:

Mark Probert said:

> > author of the infamous "quackwatch.com" website, will be officially
> confronted in a Courtroom in his home town of Allentown, Pennsylvania.
> Barrett was forced to give up his medical license in 1993 when he lost
> his part-time employment at the State mental hospital and because he
> had so few patients, he couldn't afford the required malpractice
> insurance premiums any more.

Which is pure [censored].

Nobody on the planet gives a [censored] about that, Moron.

COMMENT:

Apparently Tim Bolen cared enough to devote half a paragraph to it. And
you cared enough to re-post his comments without snipping it out. I
only read about about in the first place because YOU cared enough to
copy and post it. So who's the moron?

Quoted message said:

Just thought that you might want to know.

COMMENT:
Just thought you might want to think before posting. For once.

Quoted message said:

Now kindly start talking about the real issues like the conspiracy in
medicine NOT to report iatrogenic deaths.

COMMENT:

Would that be like the conspiracy not to keep nation track of reports
of UFO's?

Quoted message said:

And, why there is a
conspiracy NOT to track iatrogenic deaths on the national level when
they are the leading cause death in the USA.
http://www.nutritioninstituteofamerica.org/research/DeathByMedicine/DeathByMedicine1.htm

COMMENT:
It's not a leading cause of death in the USA. The studies which report
that, are flawed in obvious ways which we've flogged to death ad
nauseam. They lack control groups. The deaths they label "iatrogenic"
are deaths of ill people in hospitals, in cases where it's questionable
whether these people would have survived whether the medical mistake
had been made, or not.

To put it another way, it's pretty certain that president George
Washington's doctors killed him. But most cases of putative "iatrogenic
death" are far more complex. The average call of "iatrogenic death" is
Monday morning quarterbacking, by people who have about as much right
to question the call as do the fans at a sports-game. None of which
keeps same from flapping their gums, of course.

SBH

Sbharrisatsignix.netcom.com said:

Mr-Natural-Health said:

Sbharrisatsignix.netcom.com said:

Mark Probert wrote:
>> > author of the infamous "quackwatch.com" website, will be officially
> > confronted in a Courtroom in his home town of Allentown, Pennsylvania.
> > Barrett was forced to give up his medical license in 1993 when he lost
> > his part-time employment at the State mental hospital and because he
> > had so few patients, he couldn't afford the required malpractice
> > insurance premiums any more.
>
> Which is pure [censored].

Nobody on the planet gives a [censored] about that, Moron.

COMMENT:

Apparently Tim Bolen cared enough to devote half a paragraph to it. And
you cared enough to re-post his comments without snipping it out. I
only read about about in the first place because YOU cared enough to
copy and post it. So who's the moron?

Quoted message said:

Just thought that you might want to know.

COMMENT:
Just thought you might want to think before posting. For once.

Quoted message said:

Now kindly start talking about the real issues like the conspiracy in
medicine NOT to report iatrogenic deaths.

COMMENT:

Would that be like the conspiracy not to keep nation track of reports
of UFO's?

Quoted message said:

And, why there is a
conspiracy NOT to track iatrogenic deaths on the national level when
they are the leading cause death in the USA.
http://www.nutritioninstituteofamerica.org/research/DeathByMedicine/DeathByMedicine1.htm

COMMENT:
It's not a leading cause of death in the USA. The studies which report
that, are flawed in obvious ways which we've flogged to death ad
nauseam. They lack control groups. The deaths they label "iatrogenic"
are deaths of ill people in hospitals, in cases where it's questionable
whether these people would have survived whether the medical mistake
had been made, or not.

Not everybody is as stupid as you are.

Research published in JAMA alone have clearly documented death by ADR
as the 3rd leading cause of death in the USA. The only thing defective
here is your brain.

There is without a double a conspiracy NOT to track iatrogenic deaths.

Just thought that you might want to know, Liar.

Recommended anti-quackbusters web pages:
http://www.quackpotwatch.org/
http://www.bolenreport.net/
http://www.northamericanconsumersagainsthealthfraud.org/
http://www.healthfreedomnews.com/index.html
http://www.iahf.com/
http://www4.dr-rath-foundation.org/The_Hague/uslawsuits.htm
http://www.wcanews.com/archives/2002/may2202c.htm
http://www.usdoj.gov/dag/pubdoc/hipaa01fe19.htm
http://www.nutritioninstituteofamerica.org/research/DeathByMedicine/DeathByMedicine1.htm

Sbharrisatsignix.netcom.com said:

Mark Probert said:

Quoted message said:

> author of the infamous "quackwatch.com" website, will be officially
confronted in a Courtroom in his home town of Allentown, Pennsylvania.
Barrett was forced to give up his medical license in 1993 when he lost
his part-time employment at the State mental hospital and because he
had so few patients, he couldn't afford the required malpractice
insurance premiums any more.

Which is pure [censored].

COMMENT:

Indeed it is. Malpractice insurance is not required to keep your
license active. All that's required is you pay the state's licencing
fees (yes, all the state wants is your money-- sound familiar?). Which
are usually a hundred to several hundred $ a year, varying from state
to state. Some doctors, upon retirement, don't see any reason to put
up with the nuisance or expense. Dr. Barrett was one. This does not
make them non-doctors.

Nobody gives a [censored] about that, Moron!

Tell us how Barrett and his minions have conspired to change the
definition of what health fraud is. Health fraud covers a very broad
area, yet Barrett and cronies only focus on one tiny sub-area called
'Quality of Care.' The facts clearly show that most health fraud is
committed by the American Health Care system itself, which is otherwise
known as conventional medicine.

Just thought that you might want to know, Moron.

Recommended anti-quackbusters web pages:
http://www.quackpotwatch.org/
http://www.bolenreport.net/
http://www.northamericanconsumersagainsthealthfraud.org/
http://www.healthfreedomnews.com/index.html
http://www.iahf.com/
http://www4.dr-rath-foundation.org/The_Hague/uslawsuits.htm
http://www.wcanews.com/archives/2002/may2202c.htm
http://www.usdoj.gov/dag/pubdoc/hipaa01fe19.htm
http://www.nutritioninstituteofamerica.org/research/DeathByMedicine/DeathByMedicine1.htm

Mr-Natural-Health said:

Sbharrisatsignix.netcom.com said:

Mark Probert said:

>>author of the infamous "quackwatch.com" website, will be officially
>
>confronted in a Courtroom in his home town of Allentown, Pennsylvania.
>Barrett was forced to give up his medical license in 1993 when he lost
>his part-time employment at the State mental hospital and because he
>had so few patients, he couldn't afford the required malpractice
>insurance premiums any more.

Which is pure [censored].

COMMENT:

Indeed it is. Malpractice insurance is not required to keep your
license active. All that's required is you pay the state's licencing
fees (yes, all the state wants is your money-- sound familiar?). Which
are usually a hundred to several hundred $ a year, varying from state
to state. Some doctors, upon retirement, don't see any reason to put
up with the nuisance or expense. Dr. Barrett was one. This does not
make them non-doctors.

Nobody gives a [censored] about that, Moron!

My my, what agression.
Tell me, Mr. NaturalBigot, I mean, Mr. Naturalhealth, what natural cure
would you advise against foaming at the mouth?
And what would you recommend against nausea? Because I feel nauseous if
I think about the fact that such a sickening racist [censored] like you is
a member of the same species as me.

--snip--

Quoted message said:

Just thought that you might want to know, Moron.

I wouldn't want to know the time of day from you and I don't think
there's anybody in any of these newsgroups you post to who doesn't feel
the same. I wouldn't touch you, your website or any that you recommend
with a 10 foot pole.

JohnDoe wrote:

It is hard to take anybody or anything that calls themself Mr. Nobody
seriously.

Quoted message said:

Tell me, Mr. NaturalBigot, I mean, Mr. Naturalhealth, what natural cure
would you advise against foaming at the mouth?

H2O2, or in your case cutting off everything above the neck.

Quoted message said:

And what would you recommend against nausea?

Ginger 🙂

Now, try answering some of the important issues, Mr. Nobody.

Mr-Natural-Health said:

Sbharrisatsignix.netcom.com said:

Mark Probert said:

>>author of the infamous "quackwatch.com" website, will be officially
>
>confronted in a Courtroom in his home town of Allentown, Pennsylvania.
>Barrett was forced to give up his medical license in 1993 when he lost
>his part-time employment at the State mental hospital and because he
>had so few patients, he couldn't afford the required malpractice
>insurance premiums any more.

Which is pure [censored].

COMMENT:

Indeed it is. Malpractice insurance is not required to keep your
license active. All that's required is you pay the state's licencing
fees (yes, all the state wants is your money-- sound familiar?). Which
are usually a hundred to several hundred $ a year, varying from state
to state. Some doctors, upon retirement, don't see any reason to put
up with the nuisance or expense. Dr. Barrett was one. This does not
make them non-doctors.

Nobody on the planet gives a [censored] about that, Moron.

That is the first thing you have said that I fully agree with. No one on
this planet would give a cleanse about it.

However, since you and Bolen have posted several messages and webpages
where it is obvious that you both game a cleanse, please advise which
planet you are from.

Quoted message said:

Just thought that you might want to know.

That is not true (that you thought).

Mr-Natural-Health said:

Not everybody is as stupid as you are.

That is true. There are those, like you, and the ones you copy and
paste, who are far more stupid.

Mark Probert said:

I do long for the good old days.....

Definition of Alternative Medicine:

Moi: "Alternative medicine is any method of treatment other than
prescription medication, the heroic medicine of chemotherapy /
radiation therapy, and surgery.
-It is not defined by the practitioner or institution, but by the
method of treatment. "
http://naturalhealthperspective.com/tutorials/glossary.html

Bolden: "'Alternative Medicine' is defined as any protocol, action, or
therapy that isn't 'drugs, radiation, or surgery oriented.'"
http://www.bolenreport.net/feature.htm

I am looking towards the future, when the world defines alternative
medicine as we do (NOT including screwballs like you and all the other
Crackposts, of course).

Just thought that you might want to know. 🙂

Regarding, http://www.quackpotwatch.org/ it has been operating since
2001, just like mind. His comments on Barrett have been there since
2001 unchanged and unchallenged.

Where is Barrett?

Just thought that you might want to know. 🙂

Recommended anti-quackbusters web pages:
http://www.quackpotwatch.org/
http://www.bolenreport.net/
http://www.northamericanconsumersagainsthealthfraud.org/
http://www.iahf.com/
http://www4.dr-rath-foundation.org/The_Hague/uslawsuits.htm
http://www.wcanews.com/archives/2002/may2202c.htm
http://www.usdoj.gov/dag/pubdoc/hipaa01fe19.htm
http://www.nutritioninstituteofamerica.org/research/DeathByMedicine/DeathByMedicine1.htm

Mark Probert said:

I hereby nominate Mr-Natural-Health, a/k/a John Gohde, to be the office
Newsgroup Idiot. Remember, it is not truly a village until it has an
official idiot.

Why not have an [censored] of the Month Award? John's a lock for that one
every month. Hardly a fair competition! At the end of each year we
could hand out the [censored] of the Year Award. Again, John-boy would be
a lock for that one as well. Hell, let's just induct him in the Usenet
[censored] Hall of Fame. I'll nominate him. Anyone care to second that?

RBR

Definitely Marked pervert for that one. It's not a fair fight though, as the
Pervert will probably win it again this year four in a row now. The month
means nothing. It's not in his league.

"RBR" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Mark Probert said:

I hereby nominate Mr-Natural-Health, a/k/a John Gohde, to be the office
Newsgroup Idiot. Remember, it is not truly a village until it has an
official idiot.

Why not have an [censored] of the Month Award? John's a lock for that one
every month. Hardly a fair competition! At the end of each year we
could hand out the [censored] of the Year Award. Again, John-boy would be
a lock for that one as well. Hell, let's just induct him in the Usenet
[censored] Hall of Fame. I'll nominate him. Anyone care to second that?

RBR

"Mr-Natural-Health" <[email hidden]> wrote in
message news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Mark Probert said:

I do long for the good old days.....

Definition of Alternative Medicine:

Moi: "Alternative medicine is any method of treatment other than
prescription medication, the heroic medicine of chemotherapy /
radiation therapy, and surgery.
-It is not defined by the practitioner or institution, but by the
method of treatment. "
http://naturalhealthperspective.com/tutorials/glossary.html

Bolden: "'Alternative Medicine' is defined as any protocol, action, or
therapy that isn't 'drugs, radiation, or surgery oriented.'"
http://www.bolenreport.net/feature.htm

I like my definition better, "Alternative medicine is the use of unproven
methods to diagnose and treat disease by persons who are unqualified to
diagnose and treat disease."
--

--Rich

Recommended websites:

http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles
http://www.acahf.org.au
http://www.quackwatch.org/
http://www.skeptic.com/
http://www.csicop.org/

Rich said:

Quoted message said:

Definition of Alternative Medicine:

Moi: "Alternative medicine is any method of treatment other than
prescription medication, the heroic medicine of chemotherapy /
radiation therapy, and surgery.
-It is not defined by the practitioner or institution, but by the
method of treatment. "
http://naturalhealthperspective.com/tutorials/glossary.html

Bolden: "'Alternative Medicine' is defined as any protocol, action, or
therapy that isn't 'drugs, radiation, or surgery oriented.'"
http://www.bolenreport.net/feature.htm

I like my definition better, "Alternative medicine is the use of unproven
methods to diagnose and treat disease by persons who are unqualified to
diagnose and treat disease."

Clearly, bigots write bigoted definitions. 🙁

You have my condolences.

Recommended anti-quackbusters web pages:
http://www.quackpotwatch.org/
http://www.bolenreport.net/
http://www.northamericanconsumersagainsthealthfraud.org/
http://www.healthfreedomnews.com/index.html
http://www.iahf.com/
http://www4.dr-rath-foundation.org/The_Hague/uslawsuits.htm
http://www.wcanews.com/archives/2002/may2202c.htm
http://www.usdoj.gov/dag/pubdoc/hipaa01fe19.htm
http://www.nutritioninstituteofamerica.org/research/DeathByMedicine/DeathByMedicine1.htm

"Mr-Natural-Health" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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Quoted message said:

Rich said:

Quoted message said:

Definition of Alternative Medicine:

Moi: "Alternative medicine is any method of treatment other than
prescription medication, the heroic medicine of chemotherapy /
radiation therapy, and surgery.
-It is not defined by the practitioner or institution, but by the
method of treatment. "
http://naturalhealthperspective.com/tutorials/glossary.html

Bolden: "'Alternative Medicine' is defined as any protocol, action, or
therapy that isn't 'drugs, radiation, or surgery oriented.'"
http://www.bolenreport.net/feature.htm

I like my definition better, "Alternative medicine is the use of unproven
methods to diagnose and treat disease by persons who are unqualified to
diagnose and treat disease."

Clearly, bigots write bigoted definitions. 🙁

Bigots display hatred for people with characteristics for which they have no
choice. I displayed mere contempt for altie quacks who defraud the gullible
by choice. There's a difference, and you have my condolences for being too
stupid to recognize what that difference is.
--

--Rich

Recommended websites:

http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles
http://www.acahf.org.au
http://www.quackwatch.org/
http://www.skeptic.com/
http://www.csicop.org/

"Mr-Natural-Health" <[email hidden]> wrote in
message news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Rich said:

Quoted message said:

Definition of Alternative Medicine:

Moi: "Alternative medicine is any method of treatment other than
prescription medication, the heroic medicine of chemotherapy /
radiation therapy, and surgery.
-It is not defined by the practitioner or institution, but by the
method of treatment. "

In other words, alternative medicine is any method of treatment other than
those legal whose use requires many years of college education and more
years of supervised further medical education and training and whose
equipment and medications are regulated to safety and efficacy standards by
government agencies.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Bolden: "'Alternative Medicine' is defined as any protocol, action, or
therapy that isn't 'drugs, radiation, or surgery oriented.'"

A "protocol, action, or therapy that isn't 'drugs, radiation, or surgery
oriented," then, would be any unproven methods that people with mail-order
degrees, or no education or license at all, can sell to gullible suffering
people using MLM's, infomercials, and pseudoscientific gobbledegook on
internet websites.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I like my definition better, "Alternative medicine is the use of unproven
methods to diagnose and treat disease by persons who are unqualified to
diagnose and treat disease."

--

--Rich

Recommended websites:

http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles
http://www.acahf.org.au
http://www.quackwatch.org/
http://www.skeptic.com/
http://www.csicop.org/

Mr-Natural-Health said:

Regarding, http://www.quackpotwatch.org/ it has been operating since
2001, just like mind. His comments on Barrett have been there since
2001 unchanged and unchallenged.

Are you really this stupid? Barrett sued him.