Rasmussen out

Stella said:

kaiser said:

Gosh, how are we gonna handle all of these falsely accused people?
Floyd, Tyler, Basso, Rasmussen, Vinokourov?

Which one of those five people did NOT test positive?

Hint: Rasmussen.

MR missed 4 tests over the last 18 months. Under WADA rules missing 3
is the same as a doping.

If TdF pulled him, you'd have a point. But his employer fired him for
lying to them about which hemisphere he was in.

In article <[email hidden]>,

Ernst Blofeld said:

William Asher said:

Keep in mind I predicted this. Contador is next, then Evans and
Leipheimer. Kirchen is now safe since he's dropped down below Valverde.

The Millar Line is at 2:34:24

Ernst, I love you.

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to think that they have to take drugs to succeed." -Paul Erdos

kaiser said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Gosh, how are we gonna handle all of these falsely accused people?
Floyd, Tyler, Basso, Rasmussen, Vinokourov?

Stella said:

Quoted message said:

Which one of those five people did NOT test positive?
Hint: Rasmussen.

Bob Schwartz said:

Also Basso.

And Armstrong.

Ewoud Dronkert said:

Withdrawm by his team, "for violating an internal rule."
No stance on whether the team will start tomorrow.

I hate to think what poor Boogerd, Menchov and Dekker must be feeling
after they rode their butts off in both the Alps and the Pyrenees.

Ernst Blofeld said:

Quoted message said:

The Millar Line is at 2:34:24

Ryan Cousineau said:

Ernst, I love you.

You're drunk (again).

MrBob said:

Quoted message said:

His departure leaves young Spaniard Alberto Contador in the lead

rechungREMOVETHIS said:

Yeah, but there's still four more days to kick him out, too.

Or they can do a 2006 repeat and wait until the day after (can you drink
Deja Vu ?).

Quoted message said:

even if ras is an uncharismatic loner teams don't throw their riders
under the bus, especially not as the lead the tour.

If the sponsor says pull the rider, then the team will comply.

Remember that De Roy spent the rest day publicly stating that the
team and MR had the full support from the sponsor, and declaring that
Rabobank had been aware of the location of MR in june.
After the Cassani interview ran on Dutch TV the follwing day, where
Cassani witnessed that MR where in Itlay and not in Mexico in june,
the sponsor demanded De Roy to pull him.

--
Morten Reippuert Knudsen :-) <http://blog.reippuert.dk>

Merlin Works CR-3/2.5 & Campagnolo Chorus 2007.

Bob Palermo said:

All riders train extremely hard, and are performing near the top of their
capabilities. The additional few percent they get from, say a Vino like
"transfusion" makes a big difference. It did for Vino. Seemed like it did
for Landis last year though I don't understand how the type of doping he did
(some sort of testosterone) would help him overnight.

revorery, thestesorone bandages are easy to use and efficient - even
when in competition, you just have to remove the bandage before the
dose exeds whats detectable in current tests.

--
Morten Reippuert Knudsen :-) <http://blog.reippuert.dk>

Merlin Works CR-3/2.5 & Campagnolo Chorus 2007.

Donald Munro said:

Ewoud Dronkert said:

Withdrawm by his team, "for violating an internal rule."
No stance on whether the team will start tomorrow.

Quoted message said:

I hate to think what poor Boogerd, Menchov and Dekker must be feeling
after they rode their butts off in both the Alps and the Pyrenees.

"dumbass, why didn't he just stick with the teams doctor?"

--
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Merlin Works CR-3/2.5 & Campagnolo Chorus 2007.

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Kunich ('cyclintom@yahoo. com') said:

"Pasta Nostra" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

I guess the Chicken was in Italy doing the nasty drug thing with Dr
Ferrari.

Or in Italy doing a complete workup by any one of a dozen high end
training specialist of whom Ferrari is only one.

Yup, that's entirely possible. Nothing about Rasmussen's performance this
year suggests to me that he's doping - it's consistent with his
performance in previous years, except that he has got a little more
confident and a little more comfortable on a time trial bike (which isn't
very surprising).

He wasn't sacked for doping, he was sacked for lying.

--
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"This young man has not the faintest idea how socialists think and does
not begin to understand the mentality of the party he has been elected
to lead. He is quite simply a liberal"
-- Ken Coates MEP (Lab) of Tony Blair

Bike Mike none@ said:

Stella <[email hidden]> wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

kaiser said:

Gosh, how are we gonna handle all of these falsely accused people?
Floyd, Tyler, Basso, Rasmussen, Vinokourov?

Which one of those five people did NOT test positive?

Hint: Rasmussen.

MR missed 4 tests over the last 18 months. Under WADA rules missing 3
is the same as a doping.

No, he missed one test and got a warning for wherabouts under one
jurstiction, and missed 2 tests under another juristiction. Under WADA
rules 3 warnings/missed tests under the same juristiction and a doping
case can begin.

Quoted message said:

If TdF pulled him, you'd have a point. But his employer fired him for
lying to them about which hemisphere he was in.

correct.

If cycling want's to clean up, the UCI and all national federations
could begin by publishing all current warnings, start pressuring
the Spanish authorities to publish the complete Fuentes files, publish
all their internal list of which riders are working with "problematic"
doctors - In other words start a regualr witch hunt.

However it doubt any of the above mentioned things will happen, until
then we can just say "bummer" whenever at rider is busted.

--
Morten Reippuert Knudsen :-) <http://blog.reippuert.dk>

Merlin Works CR-3/2.5 & Campagnolo Chorus 2007.

in message <[email hidden]>, Simon Brooke

(') said:

in message <[email hidden]>, Tom

Kunich ('cyclintom@yahoo. com') said:

"Pasta Nostra" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

I guess the Chicken was in Italy doing the nasty drug thing with Dr
Ferrari.

Or in Italy doing a complete workup by any one of a dozen high end
training specialist of whom Ferrari is only one.

Yup, that's entirely possible. Nothing about Rasmussen's performance this
year suggests to me that he's doping - it's consistent with his
performance in previous years, except that he has got a little more
confident and a little more comfortable on a time trial bike (which isn't
very surprising).

He wasn't sacked for doping, he was sacked for lying.

And as a follow-up to that, he says today (according to Eurosport this
morning) that he /was/ in Mexico, and not in Italy, when another rider
thought they recognised him in the Dolomites. I don't know whether this is
true or not, but it ought to be possible to check air passenger manifests,
airport boarding records, etc.

If - I say /if/ - Rasmussen is telling the truth, was in Mexico, and can
prove it, then we really are in a mess.

--
[email hidden] (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/

I shall continue to be an impossible person so long as those
who are now possible remain possible -- Michael Bakunin

Morten Reippuert Knudsen said:

Quoted message said:

even if ras is an uncharismatic loner teams don't throw their riders
under the bus, especially not as the lead the tour.

If the sponsor says pull the rider, then the team will comply.

Remember that De Roy spent the rest day publicly stating that the
team and MR had the full support from the sponsor, and declaring that
Rabobank had been aware of the location of MR in june.
After the Cassani interview ran on Dutch TV the follwing day, where
Cassani witnessed that MR where in Itlay and not in Mexico in june,
the sponsor demanded De Roy to pull him.

--

Okay, that seems likely. The team wouldn't be working for him in the
morning and then pulling him out of the race a few hours later when
they already knew about his whereabouts problem.

The pressure to pull him from the race had to have been external. The
UCI or the sponsor wanting to avoid further embarrassment.

in 550378 20070726 111535 Simon Brooke <[email hidden]> wrote:
ng).

Quoted message said:

He wasn't sacked for doping, he was sacked for lying.

Lucky that journalists aren't sacked for being "economical with the truth"
- there'd be no-one to report on the tour.

Simon Brooke said:

And as a follow-up to that, he says today (according to Eurosport this
morning) that he /was/ in Mexico, and not in Italy, when another rider
thought they recognised him in the Dolomites. I don't know whether this is
true or not, but it ought to be possible to check air passenger manifests,
airport boarding records, etc.

If - I say /if/ - Rasmussen is telling the truth, was in Mexico, and can
prove it, then we really are in a mess.

Rasmussen is a compulsive liar, it seems. Not only does he lie about
whom he talked to at the UCI about the late whereabouts notifications
last year, he lies to the press about his whereabouts when he already
confessed to his team that he really was in Italy in June. Does he
expect journalists to not check facts?

Simon Brooke said:

Quoted message said:

He wasn't sacked for doping, he was sacked for lying.

Bob Martin said:

Lucky that journalists aren't sacked for being "economical with the truth"
- there'd be no-one to report on the tour.

Or politicians or we'd run out of dodgy dossiers. Perhaps Astana used a
dodgy dossier instead of a blue cooler box.

Quoted message said:

Morten Reippuert Knudsen said:

Quoted message said:

even if ras is an uncharismatic loner teams don't throw their riders
under the bus, especially not as the lead the tour.

If the sponsor says pull the rider, then the team will comply.

Remember that De Roy spent the rest day publicly stating that the
team and MR had the full support from the sponsor, and declaring that
Rabobank had been aware of the location of MR in june.
After the Cassani interview ran on Dutch TV the follwing day, where
Cassani witnessed that MR where in Itlay and not in Mexico in june,
the sponsor demanded De Roy to pull him.

--

Quoted message said:

Okay, that seems likely. The team wouldn't be working for him in the
morning and then pulling him out of the race a few hours later when
they already knew about his whereabouts problem.

Quoted message said:

The pressure to pull him from the race had to have been external. The
UCI or the sponsor wanting to avoid further embarrassment.

Not the UCI, the ASO and the sponsor after watching the response to
the pressconference tuesday.

People seem to forget the war between ASO and UCI/Protour association.
ASO aims to be a bigger factor in cycling than UCI itself, this week
they won on points.

--
Morten Reippuert Knudsen :-) <http://blog.reippuert.dk>

Merlin Works CR-3/2.5 & Campagnolo Chorus 2007.

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Quoted message said:

Tom Kunich' cyclintom@yahoo. com said:

What the hell are you talking about? From the comments, Rassmussen was
TRAINING in Italy. I'm sure that he was running physical tests for
Ferrari
or Cecchini. The real question is did he dope or was he using the world's
foremost training coaches straight up? I tend to believe the former but
nevertheless I still believe that you have to prove a man guilty for him
to
be guilty.

dumbass,

rabobank has the evidence to believe that rasmussen is dirty and
likely to get caught.

I suggest that you learn to only write what you know about instead of
inventing your favorite endings.

In article <[email hidden]>,

Morten Reippuert Knudsen said:

Bike Mike none@ said:

Stella <[email hidden]> wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

On Jul 25, 2:46 pm, kaiser <[email hidden]> wrote:
> Gosh, how are we gonna handle all of these falsely accused people?
> Floyd, Tyler, Basso, Rasmussen, Vinokourov?

Which one of those five people did NOT test positive?

Hint: Rasmussen.

MR missed 4 tests over the last 18 months. Under WADA rules missing 3
is the same as a doping.

No, he missed one test and got a warning for wherabouts under one
jurstiction, and missed 2 tests under another juristiction. Under WADA
rules 3 warnings/missed tests under the same juristiction and a doping
case can begin.

Quoted message said:

If TdF pulled him, you'd have a point. But his employer fired him for
lying to them about which hemisphere he was in.

correct.

If cycling want's to clean up, the UCI and all national federations
could begin by publishing all current warnings, start pressuring
the Spanish authorities to publish the complete Fuentes files, publish
all their internal list of which riders are working with "problematic"
doctors - In other words start a regualr witch hunt.

Nothing wrong with a witch hunt. It's snipe hunts and wild goose chases
one wants to avoid.

In this case, I think we all agree the witches (you know, they wear
black and keep to themselves) really exist.

Quoted message said:

However it doubt any of the above mentioned things will happen, until
then we can just say "bummer" whenever at rider is busted.

--
Ryan Cousineau [email hidden] http://www.wiredcola.com/
"I don't want kids who are thinking about going into mathematics
to think that they have to take drugs to succeed." -Paul Erdos

Morten Reippuert Knudsen said:

Quoted message said:

The pressure to pull him from the race had to have been external. The
UCI or the sponsor wanting to avoid further embarrassment.

Not the UCI, the ASO and the sponsor after watching the response to
the pressconference tuesday.

Ah. You think what is said there is all true and the whole truth?
Speculation cannot be negated by a press conference.

--
E. Dronkert