Rasmussen out of the tour!!!
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The GREATEST SCANDAL of Tour de Farce 2007 was the exclusion of Michael Rasmussen from the race. He was not supposed to win and therefore was not allowed.Trajectum said:
The greatest mistake Michael Rasmussen made in the Tour was not to announce his intension of winning the Tour; neither to his team nor to the Tour Management. Obviously the teams have to pay a fee for participation and probably also a "Winners Fee" if they intend to win the Tour. As Michael had not told his team of his plans they had not paid the "Winners Fee" and therefore were not supposed to win. The other big teams having paid the "Winners Fee" obviously protested against such an "upstart guys" attack on their "right" to win the race; and obviously the Tour Management can’t have a winner not supposed to win making such an assassination on their own plans and "rules".
So, at the time Michael showed he was the greatest rider of the Tour and won the 16th stage and was going to win the race, the Tour Management had no other choice than to order Rabobank to fire Michael. How could they order Rabobank to fire him? Obviously they could make the life of Rabobank in coming Tours very difficult. Especially now, when they have plans of changing the Tour so that only their own candidates have the chance of winning.
In the Tour the code of "let the best man win" has been changed to "let the best paying man win". So, the next team that hire Michael, please pay the "Winners Fee" to let the best man win.
The GREATEST RIDER and REAL WINNER of Tour De France 2007: MICHAEL RASMUSSEN, Denmark.
On the otherhand, perhaps they were simply trying to avoid a scandal.Tilde said:
1. Perhaps they felt like he would drop off the podium, making it unnecessary to make the move. It became necessary for them when it became very apparent that he would at least podium, and probably win the GC. From a publicity standpoint, it makes more sense to let it die away, and handle it outside the event at a later point. They've certainly done that before haven't they?
2. We have no idea what they know, we only know what they've chosen to reveal. "They" could potentially be holding their cards as much as possible to protect ongoing "inquiries" regarding other riders.
We won't know, till it has already happened. I'm sure the conversation in #1 took place well before we heard anything, in fact probably before the first time trial.
There are countless scenarios as to what "could" be going on between and inside the organizations involved. Take your pick, it's all opinion.
so....assuming this 'Winners Fee' even exists, as I've never heard of it before, but that's not to say it does or does not exist
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but I digress
so Rabobank didn't think that Denny Menchov had a chance to win? Their rider with the number '1' as the last number on his race number?
if this fee even exists, surely Rabobank went all in on comrade menchov
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but I digress
so Rabobank didn't think that Denny Menchov had a chance to win? Their rider with the number '1' as the last number on his race number?
if this fee even exists, surely Rabobank went all in on comrade menchov
The Ras allegation of his DS over-reacting to the situation is pretty ridiculous. However, to riders who now fear DSs overreacting to weakly substantiated or unsubstantiated allegations of doping, in today's climate, will try to seek out more reasonable, analytically-minded DSs who act in a measured, careful manner to balance the respective needs of the team, the sport and the rider. Also, DSs who have strong legal teams behind their teams or experience with working with such legal teams will also be more sought after, other things being equal.
Note the way that Vino's entire team went out of the Tour, and how all of Cofidis chose to leave. If one is a clean and strong rider on a strong team, but it is difficult for that clean rider to be guaranteed that every other rider on his team's Tour squad is clean, one will want to increase the chances that one is not kicked out of the Tour, or have the team otherwise leave prematurely, by a "bad seed" teammate. Because, if one's team is removed, one looses whatever chance one had at whatever one's goals were with respect to the Tour. So, that clean and strong rider will try to get on a team that has the best possible record of having no proven drug offenses against the team's cyclists (I say proven because in the current climate there is so much general suspicion, not to suggest a particular team isn't clean).
All of the above will further give the edge to Bruyneel in recruiting future strong riders to his squad.
Note the way that Vino's entire team went out of the Tour, and how all of Cofidis chose to leave. If one is a clean and strong rider on a strong team, but it is difficult for that clean rider to be guaranteed that every other rider on his team's Tour squad is clean, one will want to increase the chances that one is not kicked out of the Tour, or have the team otherwise leave prematurely, by a "bad seed" teammate. Because, if one's team is removed, one looses whatever chance one had at whatever one's goals were with respect to the Tour. So, that clean and strong rider will try to get on a team that has the best possible record of having no proven drug offenses against the team's cyclists (I say proven because in the current climate there is so much general suspicion, not to suggest a particular team isn't clean).
All of the above will further give the edge to Bruyneel in recruiting future strong riders to his squad.
more Kylling.....
okay, maybe he was wrongly ejected from the Tour.
but it does seem that he did it to himself.
He's training in the Dolomites in June. An 8.5 hour training ride (that's Lance territory for training rides innit?).....and by chance meets a cycling journalist and former rider on the road.
maybe his luck had just run out...
If he's training in June in Italy and is riding clean, then there's no reason why you don't check in with the authorities as one is supposed to...
He holds a cycling license from Monaco? Why is that? Do they have not only the tax breaks but no drug testing?
If he had a Danish license surely he'd be subject to their rules and testing.
Something smells, and it's not stale french fries as Christopher Walken ponders...
The bakskud has gone bad my friend. the delicacy not fit for human consumption
okay, maybe he was wrongly ejected from the Tour.
but it does seem that he did it to himself.
He's training in the Dolomites in June. An 8.5 hour training ride (that's Lance territory for training rides innit?).....and by chance meets a cycling journalist and former rider on the road.
maybe his luck had just run out...
If he's training in June in Italy and is riding clean, then there's no reason why you don't check in with the authorities as one is supposed to...
He holds a cycling license from Monaco? Why is that? Do they have not only the tax breaks but no drug testing?
If he had a Danish license surely he'd be subject to their rules and testing.
Something smells, and it's not stale french fries as Christopher Walken ponders...
The bakskud has gone bad my friend. the delicacy not fit for human consumption
Seriously... Are you an idiot or U r pretending to be one to get on our nerves? Because if that's the case it's working...musette said:The Ras allegation of his DS over-reacting to the situation is pretty ridiculous. However, to riders who now fear DSs overreacting to weakly substantiated or unsubstantiated allegations of doping, in today's climate, will try to seek out more reasonable, analytically-minded DSs who act in a measured, careful manner to balance the respective needs of the team, the sport and the rider. Also, DSs who have strong legal teams behind their teams or experience with working with such legal teams will also be more sought after, other things being equal.
Note the way that Vino's entire team went out of the Tour, and how all of Cofidis chose to leave. If one is a clean and strong rider on a strong team, but it is difficult for that clean rider to be guaranteed that every other rider on his team's Tour squad is clean, one will want to increase the chances that one is not kicked out of the Tour, or have the team otherwise leave prematurely, by a "bad seed" teammate. Because, if one's team is removed, one looses whatever chance one had at whatever one's goals were with respect to the Tour. So, that clean and strong rider will try to get on a team that has the best possible record of having no proven drug offenses against the team's cyclists (I say proven because in the current climate there is so much general suspicion, not to suggest a particular team isn't clean).
All of the above will further give the edge to Bruyneel in recruiting future strong riders to his squad.
Do you really believe the nonsense you are writing?
musette said:The Ras allegation of his DS over-reacting to the situation is pretty ridiculous. However, to riders who now fear DSs overreacting to weakly substantiated or unsubstantiated allegations of doping, in today's climate, will try to seek out more reasonable, analytically-minded DSs who act in a measured, careful manner to balance the respective needs of the team, the sport and the rider. Also, DSs who have strong legal teams behind their teams or experience with working with such legal teams will also be more sought after, other things being equal.
What!!...........................................
Just been reading about where Rassussen was when he missed the doping tests, am i being simplistic or could someone just look at the stamp in his passport to see if he was in Mexico or Italy at the time. Rassussen claims it was mistaken identity so surely this would provide some proof as to where he was on a particular day, and which country he was in at any given time.
musette said:The Ras allegation of his DS over-reacting to the situation is pretty ridiculous. However, to riders who now fear DSs overreacting to weakly substantiated or unsubstantiated allegations of doping, in today's climate, will try to seek out more reasonable, analytically-minded DSs who act in a measured, careful manner to balance the respective needs of the team, the sport and the rider. Also, DSs who have strong legal teams behind their teams or experience with working with such legal teams will also be more sought after, other things being equal.
Note the way that Vino's entire team went out of the Tour, and how all of Cofidis chose to leave. If one is a clean and strong rider on a strong team, but it is difficult for that clean rider to be guaranteed that every other rider on his team's Tour squad is clean, one will want to increase the chances that one is not kicked out of the Tour, or have the team otherwise leave prematurely, by a "bad seed" teammate. Because, if one's team is removed, one looses whatever chance one had at whatever one's goals were with respect to the Tour. So, that clean and strong rider will try to get on a team that has the best possible record of having no proven drug offenses against the team's cyclists (I say proven because in the current climate there is so much general suspicion, not to suggest a particular team isn't clean).
All of the above will further give the edge to Bruyneel in recruiting future strong riders to his squad.
I hope the poster who was wondering why you get so much criticism on this forum reads this.
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