Re: A different world, 5 blocks away



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Jeremy Parker

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"Andy Gee" <[email protected]> wrote

Anyone else have any
> neighborhoods where the biking goes from wonderful to miserable by
> crossing a street?


Here in London the character of the city is very fine grained, finer
than any US city , even NYC or Boston, but I haven't noticed that in
people's driving. Some streets are nicer to ride on than others, of
course, but that's the street, not the people.

I like riding in London. It's a big city, of course, so you won't be
alone, and people like you to be decisive about what you are about to
do, though they will make allowances if you are obviously a
bewildered tourist. If you look as if you are local, but still
bewildered, then they get more irritated. That's independent of
whether you are in a car, on a bike, or blocking the entrance or exit
at the tube's ticket barriers. On the whole, though, the good
humoured cockney character does still survive.

London has a bewildering street pattern, but that means that there
are lots of fairly quiet back streets. That's not the thing for a
fast training ride, of course, but makes for interesting exploring.
Thanks to London's free bike maps - it takes nineteen maps to cover
the whole of London - exploring is even easier nowadays. There's
London's Journey Planner, on the Internet, which can be set to make
the bicycle your only allowable mode of transport. The Journey
Planner isn't perfect, but which is at least worth consulting when
you are wondering how to get somewhere. [The rival journey planner,
by the London Cycle Network, has a much poorer reputation. I can't
speak from personal experience, since it crashes when I try to use
it]

The congestion charge for cars is up to eight pounds now - about
$13.60 US - and the area covered will expand in a few months time.
When it first came in I thought that the charge's main effect would
be to leave nobody but white-van-man trying to meet impossible
delivery schedules, and yuppie Porsches, now with space to speed, and
the drivers saying, "Yes, I do own the road, I paid for it.". On the
whole, though, driving got more sedate. The bad side was the
increase in motorcycles. They can't be charged a fee, since there is
no way to photograph their tags. Thus there was a big increase in
motorcycling, and big decrease in the average motorcyclist's
competence. They are letting motorcycles in bus lanes, too, alas.
The bike activists didn't notice this was coming, owing to it being
in the motorcycle chapter of the transport plan, not the bus or
bicycle chapter.

Taking bikes on trains is degrading somewhat owing to new rolling
stock with less space, and the number of passengers increasing. My
lines are still ok. With flow bikes are banned on my line during
rush hours, but allowed counterflow.

The question is, though, will we get the Tour de France in 2007?

Jeremy Parker
 
Jeremy Parker wrote:
>
> Taking bikes on trains is degrading somewhat owing to new rolling
> stock with less space, and the number of passengers increasing. My
> lines are still ok. With flow bikes are banned on my line during
> rush hours, but allowed counterflow.


I wish Toronto and Governement of Ontario Transit would allow bikes on
counter-flow trains, but they've deemed it too hard to administrate so
effctively ban bikes inside trains and transit vehicles entirely for
about 6 hrs a day. I've never seen an official answer to the question
of folded bikes, however. (I'm contemplating getting one, as my job is
about to move from the financial district to out beyond the end of the
subways and trains.)

Do the London Underground and the remnants of British Rain allow folded
bikes? Folded and bagged bikes? Tiny little 150mm-wheeled bike-like
objects? Anything larger than a pair of in-line skates to be carried
aboard during rush hours?

> The question is, though, will we get the Tour de France in 2007?


Close the Chunnel for the day! Talk about a time trial! (Assuming
there's no exposed sleepers.)
 
"Brian Huntley" wrote
> Do the London Underground and the remnants of British Rain allow folded
> bikes? Folded and bagged bikes? Tiny little 150mm-wheeled bike-like
> objects? Anything larger than a pair of in-line skates to be carried
> aboard during rush hours?
>


The short answer is sometimes and some places.
The long answer is enormously complex, and getting worse.

Generally you can always take bikes that fold small like a Brompton.
Unfolded regular bikes are almost never allowed on trains into town in the
morning rush or out in the evening, but often otherwise.

"Bicycles can be taken free of charge on some sections of the underground
network outside peak times. Peak times are 07.30 - 09.30 and 16.00 - 19.00,
Monday to Friday, except for public holidays."
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tube/using/getting-around/bicycles.asp

But for most values of the tube, it is quicker to cycle than take the train
anyway.
In fact that applies to most journeys in greater London.
 
POHB wrote:
> But for most values of the tube, it is quicker to cycle than take the train
> anyway.
> In fact that applies to most journeys in greater London.


Interesting. Here in Toronto (Canada) I'm typically faster than
street-cars (trams) and buses at almost any distance and cars up to
about 15 km, but not the subway (unless I were to stage some off-hours
race between two sections of the routes where there are no actual
stations.)

I'm interested because my job is being relocated soon, and it'll be
about 25 km farther away. I'd like to think the extra 50 km a day might
be covered by mass transit and going multi-modal sounds like fun.
Accent on "sounds", it would seem, though.
 
Here in Ottawa we have bike racks on the front of the buses, though
they get removed for the winter (which is too bad, because I'm far more
likely to use them then). The racks have proven quite popular, and on
the major transit routes like the bus-only Transitway they are often
full, making you wait for the next one.

A guy I know solved that problem by getting a Bike Friday for his
commute. He told me that if he's in a hurry, and the two rack spaces on
the approaching bus are full, he just folds up the bike and carries it
on. The occasional driver has tried to stop him, but these bikes are
allowed if they fold small enough and don't look like they might hurt
people. (Meaning my old Raleigh Twenty does not fit the bill.)

Mark
 
[email protected] wrote:
> Here in Ottawa we have bike racks on the front of the buses, though
> they get removed for the winter (which is too bad, because I'm far more
> likely to use them then).


They take them off? Strange. So far, I've only used the Toronto ones
when there's been snow and wind galore. Sure cut a lot of time off my
Christmas shopping this year! (We only have them on selected routes,
but my nearest bus route was one selected - I feel so honored.)
 
Yes, here they unbolt the racks every Fall and they're are off all
routes by mid-Novmeber.

The main reason given is that the rack extends the overall length of
each bus, meaning they then can't fit them all into the garages. And of
course any diesel bus left outside during a -20C night may not start in
the morning.

Also, since we get so much snow here a lot of salt gets put down, and
there is a concern that the racks would just slowly dissolve and
become unsafe, thus requiring much more frequent replacement (of course
they could look into stainless steel racks, no?). Couple that with the
huge drop-off in cyclists when the snow hits the ground and they seem
to have every justification for this procedure (though Ottawa does have
a remarkable number of winter cyclists).

I'm car-free, and almost never ride the bus here. I cycle everywhere,
even during winter, and usually only use the bus on those days when I
need to cover some distance, but don't feel like cycling through all
the slush / freezing rain, etc. That's when *I'd* like a bike rack...

Mark
 
When I was a kid, and lived in Chicago, on Chicago's near west side,
yep, it certainly was a "different world" 5 blocks away!

When we were kids 8-9 years old, we used to ride our little 20" bikes to
the lakefront often (About 4-1/2 miles one way). Well, 5 blocks away,
east of my house was the black projects.
Essentailly, there was no way around them.

I can't tell you how many times, we'd have a 1/2 dozen older black kids
running after us full tilt, trying to jump us, and steal our bikes,
yelling 'hey white boy, gimme your bike"! lol

I can certainly state the unbelieveable bursts of high speed I developed
on a bike was due to that unique "training"! :) Mark
 
Brian Huntley wrote:
> [email protected] wrote:
> > Here in Ottawa we have bike racks on the front of the buses, though
> > they get removed for the winter (which is too bad, because I'm far more
> > likely to use them then).

>
> They take them off? Strange. So far, I've only used the Toronto ones
> when there's been snow and wind galore.


They seem to remove them here (Kingston ON) too. Pity since Kingston
is fairly small and the only time I am likely to use the racks is in
the winter.

John Kane, Kingston ON Canada
 
Brian Huntley wrote:
> [email protected] wrote:
> > Here in Ottawa we have bike racks on the front of the buses, though
> > they get removed for the winter (which is too bad, because I'm far more
> > likely to use them then).

>
> They take them off? Strange. So far, I've only used the Toronto ones
> when there's been snow and wind galore.


They seem to remove them here (Kingston ON) too. Pity since Kingston
is fairly small and the only time I am likely to use the racks is in
the winter.

John Kane, Kingston ON Canada
 
Mark D. wrote:

When I was a kid, and lived in Chicago, on Chicago's near west
side, yep, it certainly was a "different world" 5 blocks away!
When we were kids 8-9 years old, we used to ride our little 20" bikes to
the lakefront often (About 4-1/2 miles one way). Well, 5 blocks away,
east of my house was the black projects.
Essentailly, there was no way around them.
I can't tell you how many times, we'd have a 1/2 dozen older black kids
running after us full tilt, trying to jump us, and steal our bikes,
yelling 'hey white boy, gimme your bike"! lol
I can certainly state the unbelieveable bursts of high speed I developed
on a bike was due to that unique "training"! :) Mark
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Sorry, but the Politically Correct Gong has been rung and you have
been removed from the stage.

Steve McDonald
 
Mark D. wrote:

When I was a kid, and lived in Chicago, on Chicago's near west
side, yep, it certainly was a "different world" 5 blocks away!
When we were kids 8-9 years old, we used to ride our little 20" bikes to
the lakefront often (About 4-1/2 miles one way). Well, 5 blocks away,
east of my house was the black projects.
Essentailly, there was no way around them.
I can't tell you how many times, we'd have a 1/2 dozen older black kids
running after us full tilt, trying to jump us, and steal our bikes,
yelling 'hey white boy, gimme your bike"! lol
I can certainly state the unbelieveable bursts of high speed I developed
on a bike was due to that unique "training"! :) Mark
-------------------------------------------------

Sorry, but the Politically Correct Gong has been rung and you have
been removed from the stage.

Steve McDonald
 

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