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Re: A new experiment for Homeopathy?

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    "Ilsa9" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    But anything to do with the human mind itself having
    a power is extremely dubious and science hates it.
    How can you ever have a control experiment
    if everyone on the experiment (let alone the planet)
    might be having an effect.

    And yet at the heart of physics the human mind does
    appear to be creating reality: Quantum physics.

    Can you quote something from Quantum physics which states or implies this?
    I'll bet you'll ignore this!

    I dont know much about the details of Quantum physics

    Clearly, you have a gift for understatement. I doubt you know anything other
    than the phrase, "Quantum Physics".

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    but my understanding is that is that the act
    of observing changes the experiment and can be
    proven to have done so. This applies to various
    sub atomic particles e.g. neutron/positron pairs
    that are entangled and take a charge when one
    or the other is observed.

    The is also a famous experiment where you have
    a very weak source of photons (say one per minute)
    and two slits. And the they still create and
    interference pattern. However as soon as you
    measure/observe which hole a photo went through
    the experiment is changed and intereference
    patterns no longer happen.

    Then there is the uncertainty principle whereby
    for example you can accurately measure either
    the position OR the velocity of a particle
    but not both at once.

    Why do you think that is? Do you think that it is because the MIND has
    created a new reality for the particle or do you think that perhaps, just
    maybe, somehow, someway, something has to interact with the particle in order
    that the measurement can be made?

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    The act of observation clearly is changes
    the experiment. This statement is so widely accepted
    in quantum physics I cant believe you are questioning
    it. This has been known for decades.

    Perhaps you don't understand what is meant by observation. You seem to think
    that it is nothing more than "thinking about it". Observations are only
    possible because of something bouncing/reflecting off of the particle in
    question. I guess that never occured to you.

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    These totally counter-intuitive phenomena are
    old had. The question is what constitutes an observer?
    *Mathematically*?

    The question is, why do you think that "the Human mind does appear to be
    creating reality"? I disagree with your (appearant) premise that the human
    mind creates reality because particles or waves must collide with a particle
    before it can be observed.

    Why do you think the Human mind creates External reality?

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    Ship

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    Then there is the uncertainty principle whereby
    for example you can accurately measure either
    the position OR the velocity of a particle
    but not both at once.

    Why do you think that is? Do you think that it is because the MIND has
    created a new reality for the particle or do you think that perhaps, just
    maybe, somehow, someway, something has to interact with the particle in order
    that the measurement can be made?

    Perhaps it's because the Planck length is so, how can I put this,
    homeopathic?

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