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Re: Anti-social behaviour

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  1. Ivor Jones said:
    xBrimstone said:
    Ivor Jones said:

    Brimstone wrote:
    > "Adrian" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    > news:[email hidden]...
    >> Brimstone ([email hidden]) gurgled happily, sounding much
    >> like they were saying :
    >>
    >>>> Can you understand, "many posters grab a few seconds between
    >>>> tasks at work, and really can't be arsed to get everything
    >>>> right and proof read all posts"?
    >>
    >>> So you admit to stealing your employer's goods?
    >>
    >> Put a value on the stolen "goods".
    >
    > "X" amount of electricity at "N" pence per unit. There's also the
    > time he's being paid for that he's now using for his own purposes,
    > use of the equipment , rental charged at "C" pounds per hour, not
    > to mention the office furniture, heating, lighting etc etc.
    >
    > I don't doubt a competent accountant or work study person would
    > come up with prices in very short order.

    It doesn't take competence to shoot that down in flames.

    (a) the electricity consumed by a work computer would not change
    due to its usage. I don't think anyone turns off their work PC
    when not using it for a few minutes, at least not in any office
    I've ever been in. If they did, the current surges caused by
    repeated bootups would probably *increase* consumption.

    Change in the rate of consuption isn't the isse, usage is.

    You specifically alluded to theft. How is usage, if it does not
    result in loss of work time (see below) or an increase in power
    consumption, theft..?

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    (b) No employee spends *every* minute of paid time doing work
    related tasks. They could be having a tea break at their desk and
    using the net whilst doing so.

    Agreed that (most) people take breaks whilst working. It doesn't
    give them the right to use the company's resources for personal
    business.

    It does if the employer allows it. How do you know they do not..?

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    Quoted message said:

    (c) Rental is the same no matter what the equipment/line is being
    used for.

    Irrelevant.

    How so..?

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    (d) Heating/lighting costs are the same. What has furniture got to
    do with it..?

    It's being used for personal, not company business.

    So me sitting on my office chair while not working for the company is
    theft of what, precisely..?

    As I said, a competent accountant or work study person would give you the
    figures in very short order. I'm not in either of those trades.

  2. Brimstone said:

    Ivor Jones wrote:

    [snip]

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    So me sitting on my office chair while not working for the company
    is theft of what, precisely..?

    As I said, a competent accountant or work study person would give
    you the figures in very short order. I'm not in either of those
    trades.

    A getout. A good one, but still a getout..! If I am on a break using
    equipment which my employer has given me permission to use then am I still
    stealing anything..?

    Didn't think so.

    I'll go home now then, shall I..?!

    Ivor

  3. Ivor Jones said:
    Brimstone said:

    Ivor Jones wrote:

    [snip]

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    So me sitting on my office chair while not working for the company
    is theft of what, precisely..?

    As I said, a competent accountant or work study person would give
    you the figures in very short order. I'm not in either of those
    trades.

    A getout. A good one, but still a getout..! If I am on a break using
    equipment which my employer has given me permission to use then am I
    still stealing anything..?

    As I said (at the risk of repeating myself and becoming boring) a competent
    accountant or work study person would give you a decision in very short
    order.

    Quoted message said:


    Didn't think so.

    That much has been noted.

    Quoted message said:


    I'll go home now then, shall I..?!

    Just make sure you leave the chair behind.

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