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>If I were a sponsor I'd throw
> in with ASO. If sponsors feel that the ASO-led coalition will reduce
> the exposure to a Landis-like problem then it becomes a no brainer.
>
> Bob Schwartz
(1) I disagree. Let's keep in mind that ASO is French and part of the
French media group.
(2) Also, the french do not have a very good track record of doing what is
best, for example:
- It is the French who changed the numbers on the form reporting the
results for Landis, WHICH IS AN EXTREMELY BAD PROCEDURAL NO NO
- Previously, Le Monde ( a French newspaper ) tried to pin one on
Armstrong by Le Monde's "talking it up". Le Monde later recanted saying
they had no evidence to support what they were saying about Armstrong.
- France's Festina / EPO team
- and so on with the french
(3) I think F1 and Baseball got it right a long time ago. Soccer has got
things managed well, sans fanatical fans who can cause problems. NASCAR got
a little lucky with some decisions early on, then figured it out. The NFL
and NBA were a bit late to the game but are now committed to proving there's
nothing that a lot of TV dollars cannot fix. ( also, Baseball still proving
there's nothing that a lot of TV dollars cannot fix )
Point being made with #3:
- advertising dollars run the show, if you can advertise someone's
products very well, then you get to play, otherwise, you get to watch
- the compaies paying for the advertising rightfully expect the very
best bang for their money spent
- petty pissing matching in cycling are bad for cycling and are also
bad for advertisers.
- ASO is in the center of one of cycling's stupidest of storms.
Sandy, any thoughts?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Schwartz" <[email protected]>
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.racing
Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 7:38 PM
Subject: Re: Are the Sponsors on Drugs?
> dave a wrote:
>> Who isn't already sick of all the bickering back and forth between UCI
>> and ASO? The teams don't know WTF to do. The lawyers are no doubt
>> happy, but where the hell are the sponsors? If they are the ones paying
>> the bills they should just step up and declare how the world will be run.
>> UCI go to that corner, ASO the other. And shut up.
>>
>> Why don't the sponsors stop watching their equity go down the drain and
>> make something happen instead?
>
> The sponsor are in it because of the publicity they get from the
> races that ASO and the other grand tour organizers run. ASO knows
> this.
>
> The UCI has little other than the Olympics, which are contested by
> national rather than trade teams. The odds of a sponsor payoff due
> to one of their riders winning a gold medal (remember, no one
> remembers silver or bronze) are slim. If I were a sponsor I'd throw
> in with ASO. If sponsors feel that the ASO-led coalition will reduce
> the exposure to a Landis-like problem then it becomes a no brainer.
>
> in with ASO. If sponsors feel that the ASO-led coalition will reduce
> the exposure to a Landis-like problem then it becomes a no brainer.
>
> Bob Schwartz
(1) I disagree. Let's keep in mind that ASO is French and part of the
French media group.
(2) Also, the french do not have a very good track record of doing what is
best, for example:
- It is the French who changed the numbers on the form reporting the
results for Landis, WHICH IS AN EXTREMELY BAD PROCEDURAL NO NO
- Previously, Le Monde ( a French newspaper ) tried to pin one on
Armstrong by Le Monde's "talking it up". Le Monde later recanted saying
they had no evidence to support what they were saying about Armstrong.
- France's Festina / EPO team
- and so on with the french
(3) I think F1 and Baseball got it right a long time ago. Soccer has got
things managed well, sans fanatical fans who can cause problems. NASCAR got
a little lucky with some decisions early on, then figured it out. The NFL
and NBA were a bit late to the game but are now committed to proving there's
nothing that a lot of TV dollars cannot fix. ( also, Baseball still proving
there's nothing that a lot of TV dollars cannot fix )
Point being made with #3:
- advertising dollars run the show, if you can advertise someone's
products very well, then you get to play, otherwise, you get to watch
- the compaies paying for the advertising rightfully expect the very
best bang for their money spent
- petty pissing matching in cycling are bad for cycling and are also
bad for advertisers.
- ASO is in the center of one of cycling's stupidest of storms.
Sandy, any thoughts?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Schwartz" <[email protected]>
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.racing
Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 7:38 PM
Subject: Re: Are the Sponsors on Drugs?
> dave a wrote:
>> Who isn't already sick of all the bickering back and forth between UCI
>> and ASO? The teams don't know WTF to do. The lawyers are no doubt
>> happy, but where the hell are the sponsors? If they are the ones paying
>> the bills they should just step up and declare how the world will be run.
>> UCI go to that corner, ASO the other. And shut up.
>>
>> Why don't the sponsors stop watching their equity go down the drain and
>> make something happen instead?
>
> The sponsor are in it because of the publicity they get from the
> races that ASO and the other grand tour organizers run. ASO knows
> this.
>
> The UCI has little other than the Olympics, which are contested by
> national rather than trade teams. The odds of a sponsor payoff due
> to one of their riders winning a gold medal (remember, no one
> remembers silver or bronze) are slim. If I were a sponsor I'd throw
> in with ASO. If sponsors feel that the ASO-led coalition will reduce
> the exposure to a Landis-like problem then it becomes a no brainer.
>
