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"Dave" <
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> "Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> > "Orac" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> > > In article <JL%[email protected]>,
> > > "Dave" <[email protected]> wrote:
> > >
> > > > "Rich Shewmaker" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > > news:[email protected]...
> > >
> > > > > How about we start with the subject of microscopic examination of
> > human
> > > > > blood? Or perhaps you would prefer a body of knowledge that's off
> > topic
> > > > for
> > > > > this newsgroup such as art history, or baseball, or American
> > literature,
> > > > or
> > > > > geography. You can call me "ignorant" if you wish, but I'm smarter
> > than
> > > > you,
> > > > > and better educated, and I have more "real experience" than you
> > besides.
> > > >
> > > > I'm sure you are correct when you say you have lots of knowledge. You
> > > > have probably studied many things very diligently. What you don't
> > > > possess is understanding. Understanding is a spiritual thing. It
> > > > can't be learned it is acquired by getting in touch with the
> > > > universe. It allows us to understand things that we have never even
> > > > studied.
> > >
> > > You can't "understand" something without having knowledge of it upon
> > > which to base your "understanding." For some things, obtaining this
> > > knowledge involves study. In others (for instance, people skills) this
> > > knowledge comes from life experience.
>
> It is like I said, the understanding to which I refer is spiritual. It is
> not learned or studied.
> It just is.
B.S. The greatest spiritual people of the world spent their lifetimes
trying to "understand." Your claim of a "spiritual understanding" that
does not require any sort of study or life experience (that "just is,"
as you so quaintly put it) strikes me as really being more of an excuse
for intellectual laziness, an excuse not to have to defend your
assertions when challenged.
> > > >It is the secret that the people you refer to as "alties"
> > > > possess to one degree or another. It is the reason you hate us so,
> > > > because you can't understand what we understand. We live life on a
> > > > higher (spiritual) plane.
> > >
> > > Those who truly live on a "higher" (spiritual) plain (as you put it)
> > > generally remember one of the greatest virtues: humility. Gandhi didn't
> > > brag about "living on a higher plain," nor did Jesus, Martin Luther
> > > King, etc., etc., etc. None of them claimed that anyone couldn't
> > > understand what they understood.
> >
> > And I never ever brag about it nor usually even mention it.
> >
> > > > So, I live my life with love. I help people every single day because I
> > care
> > > > about them.
> > >
> > > Not to mention a profitable business selling herbs.
>
> Does someone give you your food? Your medicine? Why would you expect that I
> would?
Obviously irony is lost on you, and you don't see my point. I don't
begrudge you a means to make a living, as long as it's honest. I'll make
my point explicit: Why do alties so frequently criticize doctors for
"making money off of sick people"?
> > > > So you can tell anyone you wish that you are better educated than me
> and
> > can
> > > > answer more technical questions than me. But I wish for you to find
> > > > understanding so you no longer need that to be secure with yourself.
> > >
> > > "Understanding" that goes against science and even common sense is no
> > > "understanding" at all.
>
> You make my case.
>
> > > >If you
> > > > are sick, I wish you to find the path to health. If not, I hope you
> > will
> > > > study the benefits of supplements.
> > >
> > > One hopes you will also realize the limitations of supplements. So far,
> > > I have not gotten the impression that you do.
>
> You continue to make my case. You don't seem to understand that you
> will not continue (you aren't now but don't know it) to be healthy
> unless you take good quality (there's tons of **** out there)
> supplements every single day.
During evolution, humans didn't take supplements, nor did their hominid
ancestors. Supplements are not necessary to maintain health. A good diet
and healthy lifestyle are.
>As long as you maintain your ignorance
> of such matters, you do yourself and everyone you council a
> disservice.
As long as you keep making incorrect claims that people won't be healthy
unless they take supplements every single day, you do everyone YOU
counsel a disservice.
> In order to be a doctor you study for 10 years. You study about the
> bodily functions from the perspective of medicines and how they
> affect those systems.
We study anatomy, biochemistry, and physiology BEFORE learning about how
medicines work.
>The trouble is that "nature" (the all powerful
> force) designed us to function by eating natural things in a natural
> form.
Quite correct. Which means that supplements are not necessary for good
health--contrary to your original claim that they are.
>Generally speaking, once any substance is heated to the
> temperature necessary to create a fabricated substance, the "natural"
> properties are destroyed.
Not heating meat results in a risk of disease that is too high to be
acceptable. Otherwise, eating lots of fresh fruit and vegetables is
certainly a good idea for a healthy diet. If you eat a healthy diet,
supplements are not necessary.
>The result is a substance in a form that is
> foreign to our bodies.
How is the preparation of supplements NOT making those supplements
equally a substance "foreign" to our bodies?
> Anyway, the posts I have seen here regarding immune systems and
> supplements are so misguided as to denote ignorance of the subject
> from the posters.
Nearly every post I have seen from you is so misguided as to demonstrate
your ignorance about a great many things.
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