Re: Cycle lanes on all roads?

Resound said:

"Peter Signorini" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

A very informative report on the range of treatments by Vicroads to
provide for cyclists *on the road*, and some interesting data to study
their effectiveness.

"In one case the inside front wheel of the car overtaking a cyclist was
just one metre from the kerb face!"
"Drivers did not appear to significantly increase their clearnce to
cyclists when driving in higher speed zones"
"Typically 9% of cyclists arriving when the signal was red rode straight
through. This did not change after the advanced stop lines were
introduced"

I wonder how much difference dedicated stoplights (as well as green lights)
for bikes would make. Possibly with a little sign that reads "This is the
one that applies to YOU."

We've got them around Melbourne I think, certainly in the city. The
dedicated bike lights run like the tram lights - in tandem with the main
lights generally, and allow bikes to go in advance of cars, helping with
the old "turn left over the bike lane when the lights go green" thing.

Not sure they really help with the problem of people stopping though. I
think the problem isn't so much some riders not *knowing* they are
supposed to stop, but rather some riders thinking they don't have to.

--
davel

quote='davel'Resound said:

"Peter Signorini" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

A very informative report on the range of treatments by Vicroads to
provide for cyclists *on the road*, and some interesting data to study
their effectiveness.

"In one case the inside front wheel of the car overtaking a cyclist was
just one metre from the kerb face!"
"Drivers did not appear to significantly increase their clearnce to
cyclists when driving in higher speed zones"
"Typically 9% of cyclists arriving when the signal was red rode straight
through. This did not change after the advanced stop lines were
introduced"

I wonder how much difference dedicated stoplights (as well as green lights)
for bikes would make. Possibly with a little sign that reads "This is the
one that applies to YOU."

We've got them around Melbourne I think, certainly in the city. The
dedicated bike lights run like the tram lights - in tandem with the main
lights generally, and allow bikes to go in advance of cars, helping with
the old "turn left over the bike lane when the lights go green" thing.

Not sure they really help with the problem of people stopping though. I
think the problem isn't so much some riders not *knowing* they are
supposed to stop, but rather some riders thinking they don't have to.

--
davel[/QUOTE]

But if there were red cyclist lights as well...

It would be interesting to see if they would have an impact. Sounds like a bright idea.

As far as I know the dedicated green cyclist lights are at intersections where it is less likely for cyclists to run reds - e.g. Swanston and Flinders.

sinus said:

davel said:

Resound said:

"Peter Signorini" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...
> A very informative report on the range of treatments by Vicroads to
> provide for cyclists *on the road*, and some interesting data to

study

Quoted message said:

> their effectiveness.
>
> "In one case the inside front wheel of the car overtaking a cyclist

was

Quoted message said:

> just one metre from the kerb face!"
> "Drivers did not appear to significantly increase their clearnce to
> cyclists when driving in higher speed zones"
> "Typically 9% of cyclists arriving when the signal was red rode

straight

Quoted message said:

> through. This did not change after the advanced stop lines were
> introduced"
>
>
I wonder how much difference dedicated stoplights (as well as green

lights)

Quoted message said:

for bikes would make. Possibly with a little sign that reads "This is

the

Quoted message said:

one that applies to YOU."

We've got them around Melbourne I think, certainly in the city. The
dedicated bike lights run like the tram lights - in tandem with the
main
lights generally, and allow bikes to go in advance of cars, helping
with
the old "turn left over the bike lane when the lights go green" thing.

Not sure they really help with the problem of people stopping though. I
think the problem isn't so much some riders not *knowing* they are
supposed to stop, but rather some riders thinking they don't have to.

--
davel

But if there were red cyclist lights as well...

I guess I'm just not convinced that people who don't stop for ordinary
red lights will stop for a dedicated bike red either. As per the
"Southbank speed limit" thread, people will still tend to do what they
judge safe/appropriate if they think the rule is unreasonable or
shouldn't apply to them.

Quoted message said:

It would be interesting to see if they would have an impact. Sounds
like a bright idea.

Gah! Pun!

Quoted message said:

As far as I know the dedicated green cyclist lights are at
intersections where it is less likely for cyclists to run reds - e.g.
Swanston and Flinders.

True.

Speaking of cycle lanes, I was on the tram on Swanston Street yesterday
staring longingly at the bikes as commuters rode by and noticed a guy
riding happily in the bike lane - on the wrong side of the road.
I mean good grief.

--
davel