Re: Cyclist terrorist

[Steve Firth]

Brimstone <[email protected]> wrote:

> "Adrian" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Brimstone ([email protected]) gurgled happily, sounding much
> > like they were saying :
> >
> >>>>> It allows you to justify the introduction of a signature scheme like
> >>>>> the Kengestion Charge.
> >
> >>>> There was already delay in London long (as in several decades) before
> >>>> that idea came about.
> >
> >>> Yes, dear. We know, dear.
> >>>
> >>> But Ken deliberately made it worse.
> >
> >> Why?
> >
> > It allowed him to justify the introduction of a signature scheme like the
> > Kengestion Charge.
>
> What leads you to believe that he needed to create this artificial delay to
> justify the CC?

I think it would be the comments made by Siemens technicians who were
told to rephase lights in the area which was nominated to be the
kengestion zone that they were told to rephase the lights, then to set
them back to normal after the zone was set up.

 

[Ian D Henden]

"DavidR" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "JNugent" <[email protected]> wrote
>> PeterG wrote:
>>>
>>> A cyclist is facing jail after he ploughed into a man on a pavement at
>>> 25mph killing him.
>>
>> PS: Why wasn't he charged with manslaughter?
>
> It may have been you that said Gary Hart should have been sentenced
> according to his actions and not on the consequences.
>
> This cyclist's crime was to ride on the pavement.
>
>> PPS: ukrc added
>
> PPPS ukrc removed.
>
PPPPS ukrc added
>
>

 

[spindrift]

On 9 Oct, 22:49, Sir Jeremy <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 9 Oct, 08:13, spindrift <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > "List all your Cycling Plus and PH sign-on names then "
>
> > On Petrolheads I was Martin Crowe but someone called Ted banned me
> > from there because he lost the argument. There was no abuse, there was
> > nothing remotely anti-motorist.
>
> He was the site owner before he sold it to Haymarket. You were banned
> for insulting behaviour.

"You were banned for insulting behaviour. "
A lie, that's why, after being asked eleven times politely you still
have bugger all evidence for this.

It's a sure sign of a weak argument that you resort to dishonesty when
all your other arguments fail.

Prove me wrong.

Post the abuse here, or retract and apologise for being a liar.

 

[cupra]

Steve Firth wrote:
> Brimstone <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> "Adrian" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> Brimstone ([email protected]) gurgled happily, sounding
>>> much like they were saying :
>>>
>>>>>>> It allows you to justify the introduction of a signature scheme
>>>>>>> like the Kengestion Charge.
>>>
>>>>>> There was already delay in London long (as in several decades)
>>>>>> before that idea came about.
>>>
>>>>> Yes, dear. We know, dear.
>>>>>
>>>>> But Ken deliberately made it worse.
>>>
>>>> Why?
>>>
>>> It allowed him to justify the introduction of a signature scheme
>>> like the Kengestion Charge.
>>
>> What leads you to believe that he needed to create this artificial
>> delay to justify the CC?
>
> I think it would be the comments made by Siemens technicians who were
> told to rephase lights in the area which was nominated to be the
> kengestion zone that they were told to rephase the lights, then to set
> them back to normal after the zone was set up.

Just anecdotally.... I used to work at Staples Corner and in the months
leading up to the charge, the traffic light phasing was messed about with,
leading to huge queues on the A5/A406 - as soon as the charge came in the
phasing changed once again, only this time to provide a better flow. (Yes, I
know it's well outside the zone)

Incidentally, the best traffic flow was on days when the lights didn't work
at all...

 

[Brimstone]

" cupra" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Steve Firth wrote:
>> Brimstone <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> "Adrian" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>> Brimstone ([email protected]) gurgled happily, sounding
>>>> much like they were saying :
>>>>
>>>>>>>> It allows you to justify the introduction of a signature scheme
>>>>>>>> like the Kengestion Charge.
>>>>
>>>>>>> There was already delay in London long (as in several decades)
>>>>>>> before that idea came about.
>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, dear. We know, dear.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But Ken deliberately made it worse.
>>>>
>>>>> Why?
>>>>
>>>> It allowed him to justify the introduction of a signature scheme
>>>> like the Kengestion Charge.
>>>
>>> What leads you to believe that he needed to create this artificial
>>> delay to justify the CC?
>>
>> I think it would be the comments made by Siemens technicians who were
>> told to rephase lights in the area which was nominated to be the
>> kengestion zone that they were told to rephase the lights, then to set
>> them back to normal after the zone was set up.
>
> Just anecdotally.... I used to work at Staples Corner and in the months
> leading up to the charge, the traffic light phasing was messed about with,
> leading to huge queues on the A5/A406 - as soon as the charge came in the
> phasing changed once again, only this time to provide a better flow. (Yes,
> I know it's well outside the zone)
>
> Incidentally, the best traffic flow was on days when the lights didn't
> work at all...
>
The latter I can well believe.

 

[Terry]

In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected]lid (Tony Raven) wrote:

> In article <1i5pxrt.13bhr1m104putdN%
> [email protected]>,
> [email protected] says...
> >
> > Absolutely. So there need be no more defending of the actions of a
> > number of selfish cyclists by claiming that a number of motorists
> > can be
> > worse.
> >
>
> However if mice and lions escaped from a zoo into a town centre would
> it be wrong to point out to someone complaining about the mice that
> they might worry first about the real threat they were facing from
> the lions rather than the minuscule risk of their being killed by a
> mouse?

But, if the mice cycled on the pavement in a dangerous manner it would
be foolish to pretend that their actions were mitigated by lions driving
without due care & attention.

 

[Ekul Namsob]

Sir Jeremy <[email protected]> wrote:

> On 9 Oct, 08:13, spindrift <[email protected]> wrote:
> > "List all your Cycling Plus and PH sign-on names then "
> >
> > On Petrolheads I was Martin Crowe but someone called Ted banned me
> > from there because he lost the argument. There was no abuse, there was
> > nothing remotely anti-motorist.
> >
>
> He was the site owner before he sold it to Haymarket. You were banned
> for insulting behaviour.

I note that you give no evidence for that.

Cheers,
Luke


--
Red Rose Ramblings, the diary of an Essex boy in
exile in Lancashire <http://www.shrimper.org.uk>

 

[Clive.]

In message <[email protected]>, JNugent
<[email protected]> writes
>And no pedestrian making a worthwhile journey needs to cross all four
>legs
That depends on what he's previously eaten etc.
--
Clive.

 

[Clive.]

In message <[email protected]>, JNugent
<[email protected]> writes
>> I suppose all the people who voted for him did.......
>
>That's a terrible thing to say. They can't all have been that stupid.
>Not all of them.
Oh, I don't know, after all, they live in London don't they?
--
Clive.

 

[Clive.]

In message <[email protected]>, Brimstone
<[email protected]> writes
>When I rode a motorcycle, bloody car drivers would go past leaving about six
>inches clearance. No I'm not exaggerating
A miss is a good as a mile.
--
Clive.

 

[JNugent]

Clive. wrote:

> Brimstone <[email protected]> writes

>> When I rode a motorcycle, bloody car drivers would go past leaving
>> about six inches clearance. No I'm not exaggerating

> A miss is a good as a mile.

I believe him when he says he wasn't exaggerating.

But might he have been minimising?

Obviously, I know nothing of Brim's experience's as a motor-cyclist,
but hereabouts ("hereabouts" meaning anywhere within about 50 miles of
London), motor-cyclists can very frequently be seen to pass down the
white line separating lanes two and three on a crowded motorway in the
rush hour. Any narrow clearance involved (and sometimes it's
frighteningly close when the nearby vehicles are large) is their own
choice. If I'm in the third lane and catch sight of an approaching
bike in the mirrors, I try to move over as close to the centre
reservation as I safely can.

 

[Brimstone]

Clive. wrote:
> In message <[email protected]>, JNugent
> <[email protected]> writes
>>> I suppose all the people who voted for him did.......
>>
>> That's a terrible thing to say. They can't all have been that stupid.
>> Not all of them.
> Oh, I don't know, after all, they live in London don't they?

If no one lived in London somewhere else would be just as bad as London is
now.

 

[Brimstone]

Clive. wrote:
> In message <[email protected]>, Brimstone
> <[email protected]> writes
>> When I rode a motorcycle, bloody car drivers would go past leaving
>> about six inches clearance. No I'm not exaggerating
> A miss is a good as a mile.

Why do you insist on making comments that show you up as a bloody idiot?

 

[Brimstone]

JNugent wrote:
> Clive. wrote:
>
>> Brimstone <[email protected]> writes
>
>>> When I rode a motorcycle, bloody car drivers would go past leaving
>>> about six inches clearance. No I'm not exaggerating
>
>> A miss is a good as a mile.
>
> I believe him when he says he wasn't exaggerating.
>
> But might he have been minimising?
>
> Obviously, I know nothing of Brim's experience's as a motor-cyclist,
> but hereabouts ("hereabouts" meaning anywhere within about 50 miles of
> London), motor-cyclists can very frequently be seen to pass down the
> white line separating lanes two and three on a crowded motorway in the
> rush hour. Any narrow clearance involved (and sometimes it's
> frighteningly close when the nearby vehicles are large) is their own
> choice. If I'm in the third lane and catch sight of an approaching
> bike in the mirrors, I try to move over as close to the centre
> reservation as I safely can.

The only time I filtered through traffic was when it was stationary, or near
as dammit.

There was a Friday evening on the North Circular Road when a copper on a
bike preceeded me through queues of traffic between Stonebridge Park and
Gunnersbury Park (which is where he went through a red light and I lost my
bottle). The parting of the cars was on a par with Moses Red Sea trick.

 

[Steve Firth]

Brimstone <[email protected]> wrote:

> Clive. wrote:
> > In message <[email protected]>, JNugent
> > <[email protected]> writes
> >>> I suppose all the people who voted for him did.......
> >>
> >> That's a terrible thing to say. They can't all have been that stupid.
> >> Not all of them.
> > Oh, I don't know, after all, they live in London don't they?
>
> If no one lived in London somewhere else would be just as bad as London is
> now.

Birmingham is already worse.

 

[JNugent]

Brimstone wrote:
> JNugent wrote:
>
>>Clive. wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Brimstone <[email protected]> writes
>>
>>>>When I rode a motorcycle, bloody car drivers would go past leaving
>>>>about six inches clearance. No I'm not exaggerating
>>
>>>A miss is a good as a mile.
>>
>>I believe him when he says he wasn't exaggerating.
>>
>>But might he have been minimising?
>>
>>Obviously, I know nothing of Brim's experience's as a motor-cyclist,
>>but hereabouts ("hereabouts" meaning anywhere within about 50 miles of
>>London), motor-cyclists can very frequently be seen to pass down the
>>white line separating lanes two and three on a crowded motorway in the
>>rush hour. Any narrow clearance involved (and sometimes it's
>>frighteningly close when the nearby vehicles are large) is their own
>>choice. If I'm in the third lane and catch sight of an approaching
>>bike in the mirrors, I try to move over as close to the centre
>>reservation as I safely can.
>
>
> The only time I filtered through traffic was when it was stationary, or near
> as dammit.

I'm glad to hear it (though, TBH, after 25+ years dahn sahf, I'm used
to it by now).

> There was a Friday evening on the North Circular Road when a copper on a
> bike preceeded me through queues of traffic between Stonebridge Park and
> Gunnersbury Park (which is where he went through a red light and I lost my
> bottle). The parting of the cars was on a par with Moses Red Sea trick.

 

[JNugent]

Brimstone wrote:
> JNugent wrote:
>
>>Clive. wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Brimstone <[email protected]> writes
>>
>>>>When I rode a motorcycle, bloody car drivers would go past leaving
>>>>about six inches clearance. No I'm not exaggerating
>>
>>>A miss is a good as a mile.
>>
>>I believe him when he says he wasn't exaggerating.
>>
>>But might he have been minimising?
>>
>>Obviously, I know nothing of Brim's experience's as a motor-cyclist,
>>but hereabouts ("hereabouts" meaning anywhere within about 50 miles of
>>London), motor-cyclists can very frequently be seen to pass down the
>>white line separating lanes two and three on a crowded motorway in the
>>rush hour. Any narrow clearance involved (and sometimes it's
>>frighteningly close when the nearby vehicles are large) is their own
>>choice. If I'm in the third lane and catch sight of an approaching
>>bike in the mirrors, I try to move over as close to the centre
>>reservation as I safely can.
>
>
> The only time I filtered through traffic was when it was stationary, or near
> as dammit.

I'm glad to hear it (though, TBH, after 25+ years dahn sahf, I'm used
to it by now).

> There was a Friday evening on the North Circular Road when a copper on a
> bike preceeded me through queues of traffic between Stonebridge Park and
> Gunnersbury Park (which is where he went through a red light and I lost my
> bottle). The parting of the cars was on a par with Moses Red Sea trick.