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Re: Extreme fluctuations in iron levels / elastin

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  1. "In the present report we demonstrate that treatment of cultured human
    skin fibroblasts with low concentration of iron 2-20 microM (ferric
    ammonium citrate) induced a significant increase in the synthesis of
    tropoelastin and deposition of insoluble elastin."

    So, is this good or bad? Quick look up the definition of what iron
    increases to see if it is good or bad. Does this go in the support or
    undercut box for the iron thesis? If added to the undercut box, how many
    entries would cause one to abandone the thesis?

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    J Biol Chem. 2004 Nov 10 [Epub ahead of print] Related Articles, Links

    Fluctuations of intracellular iron modulate elastin production.

    Bunda S, Kaviani N, Hinek A.

    Division of Cardiovascular Research, The Hospital for Sick Children, Toronto,
    Ontario M5G 1X8.

    Production of insoluble elastin, the major component of elastic fibers, can be
    modulated by numerous intrinsic and exogenous factors. Because patients with
    hemolytic disorders characterized with fluctuations in iron concentration
    demonstrate defective elastic fibers we speculated that iron might also
    modulate elastogenesis. In the present report we demonstrate that treatment of
    cultured human skin fibroblasts with low concentration of iron 2-20 microM
    (ferric ammonium citrate) induced a significant increase in the synthesis of
    tropoelastin and deposition of insoluble elastin. Northern blot and real time
    RT-PCR analysis revealed that treatment with 20 ?M iron led to ~3-fold increase
    in elastin mRNA levels. Since treatment with an intracellular iron chelator,
    desferrioxamine, caused a significant decrease in elastin mRNA level and
    consequent inhibition of elastin deposition, we conclude that iron facilitates
    elastin gene expression. Our experimental evidence also demonstrate the
    existence of an opposite effect, in which higher, but not cytotoxic
    concentrations of iron (100-400 microM), induced the production of
    intracellular reactive oxygen species that coincided with a significant
    decrease in elastin message stability, and the disappearance of iron-dependent
    stimulatory effect on elastogenesis. This stimulatory elastogenic effect was
    reversed, however, in cultures simultaneously treated with high iron
    concentration (200 microM) and the intracellular hydroxyl radical scavenger,
    dimethylthiourea. Thus, presented data, for the first time, demonstrate the
    existence of two opposite iron-dependent mechanisms that may affect the steady
    state of elastin message. We speculate that extreme fluctuations in
    intracellular iron levels result in impaired elastic fiber production as
    observed in hemolytic diseases.

    PMID: 15537639 [PubMed - as supplied by publisher]

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  2. Quoted message said:


    "In the present report we demonstrate that treatment of cultured human
    skin fibroblasts with low concentration of iron 2-20 microM (ferric
    ammonium citrate) induced a significant increase in the synthesis of
    tropoelastin and deposition of insoluble elastin."

    So, is this good or bad? Quick look up the definition of what iron
    increases to see if it is good or bad. Does this go in the support or
    undercut box for the iron thesis? If added to the undercut box, how many
    entries would cause one to abandone the thesis?

    If your aim is to show how toxic free iron ions are to cells, it is
    very easy to do so. Just add some tiny amounts of unbound iron in the
    cell medium and Fenton reaction will do its harm anyway, whatever
    small concentration of iron there is.

    In nature, this extremely seldom occure. Living organs/cells has a
    long range of molecules to bind with iron in order to prevent it from
    entering Fenton reactions.

    Most wellknown are perhaps ferritin, haemoglobin etc. but there are
    many chelators around too, some combining forces with other, like
    taurine combined with phosphate groups (like those on DNA) which cover
    iron very snuggly.

    When taurine is lacking, like in diabetes, iron may get exposed to
    oxygen and reductants like vit C and start shuffling btw. FeII and
    FeIII and producing free radicals.

    Adding taurine to medium most probably will diminish dramatically the
    detrimental effect of free iron ions.

    (Or other natural chelators which probably bind iron)

    Other systems involved are also antioxidant systems which most
    probably do not function well in cell culture, like SOD, GPX which
    need a supply of reduced GSH etc.

    Don't fall into the tempt to extrapolate what you seem to think to
    observe in a system devoid of neighbour cells which may help supply
    important molecules.

  3. "We can't even eat enough food to get the antioxidants we need .."

    Quote : from the AMA ..

    So .. your .. theories as to the bodies .. abilities TO .. stem this
    tide .. seem to be .. just .. theory ..

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