Re: FDA Calls Crestor Ads 'False and Misleading'



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Mark Probert

Guest
"Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]
> Mark Probert wrote:
> >
> > "James Stein" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]
> > >
> > > "Mark Probert" <Mark [email protected]> wrote in message
> > > news:[email protected]
> > > >
> > > > "TC" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > > news:[email protected]
> > > >>
> > > >> Daniel Ganek wrote:
> > > >> > TC wrote:
> > > >> > > RobJ wrote:
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > >>New York Times
> > > >> > >>December 23, 2004
> > > >> > >>
> > > >> > >>F.D.A. Calls Ads for Cholesterol Pill Crestor 'False and
> > > >> Misleading'
> > > >> > >>By GARDINER HARRIS
> > > >> > >>
> > > >> > >>WASHINGTON - AstraZeneca's recent full-page newspaper
> > > >> advertisements
> > > >> > >>defending the safety of its cholesterol-lowering pill, Crestor,

are
> > > >> > >>"false and misleading," in part because serious concerns remain
> > > >> about
> > > >> > >>the safety of the drug, federal drug regulators said Wednesday.
> > > >> > >>
> > > >> > >>The advertisements stated that "the F.D.A. has confidence in

the
> > > >> > >>safety and efficacy of Crestor" and that the agency "as

recently as
> > > >> > >>last Friday publicly confirmed that Crestor is safe and

effective."
> > > >> > >>Neither is true, said a letter from the Food and Drug
> > > >> Administration
> > > >> > >>to AstraZeneca.
> > > >> > [[ SNIP ]]
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > Lookee, lookee, the FDA is actually trying to look as if it is
> > > >> doing
> > > >> > > something useful now. Too little too late, eh?
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > TC
> > > >> > >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > I'm neither for nor against the FDA, BUT, wasn't it just a few

years
> > > >> > ago we were all bitching that the FDA took TOO long to approve

drugs?
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Now, we're all bitching and moaning that they're not during their

job
> > > >> and
> > > >> > letting drugs on the market too soon!
> > > >> >
> > > >> > /dan
> > > >>
> > > >> Were we? I don't think so. Unless by "we" you are talking about the
> > > >> pharma industry.
> > > >
> > > > "We" were. "We" being people who were hearing about treatments in

the
> > > > development stages for conditions where there was no treatment or no
> > > > relief.
> > > > "We" demanded a shorter process.
> > >
> > > You should know by now: The ideal FDA needs to approve all effective

safe
> > > drugs overnight, and will catch all harmful and ineffective drugs
> > > immediately.
> > >
> > > And that little nonsense about a process for distinguishing between

the
> > two?
> > > The public's not concerned with that.

> >
> > Agreed. There are those who expect perfection from the FDA and all
> > humankind.

>
>
> Enter Christ Jesus :)


As a Jew, I find being proselytized offensive. Please do not respond to me
again in this manner.
 
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Mark Probert

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"Ilena Rose" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]
> On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 17:09:55 -0500, "Mark Probert" <Mark
> [email protected]> wrote:
>
> >
> >Agreed. There are those who expect perfection from the FDA and all
> >humankind.

>
>
> There is a HUMONGOUS continuum between "perfection" and the
> performance of the FDA, Mark.


Not nearly as large as the gap between rationality and Ilena Rosenthal.

Not nearly as large as the gap between sanity and Ilena Rosenthal.

Not nearly as large as the gap between logic and Ilena Rosenthal.

Not nearly as large as the gap between consistency and Ilena Rosenthal.

Not nearly as large as the gap between non-hypocrisy and Ilena Rosenthal.

When taken together, those gaps span such a void that even the Hubble Space
Telescope would be strained to see from one end to the other.

And, no, I am not defending the FDA. They are beginning to wake up to the
problem. You, however, are in a multiple millennium long stupor and will
never wake up to your problems.
 
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Mark Probert

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"James Stein" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]
>
> "Ilena Rose" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]
> > On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 17:09:55 -0500, "Mark Probert" <Mark
> > [email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>Agreed. There are those who expect perfection from the FDA and all
> >>humankind.

> >
> >
> > There is a HUMONGOUS continuum between "perfection" and the
> > performance of the FDA, Marla.

>
>
> Actually, what we refer to is the fact that people decry how long it takes
> the FDA to get a drug certified. And when those times are shortened, they
> complain that the screening process is not rigorous enough. Those two
> qualities are mutually exclusive, yet people desire both.
>
> The FDA is *just* an organization. The fact that an ideal exists does not
> mean we can achieve it.


Which does not mean that there should be anything less than a maximum effort
to achieve it.

Remember, the FDA "foot dragging" on Thalidomide prevented that tragedy from
occurring here.
 
M

Mark Probert

Guest
"Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]
> James Stein wrote:
> >
> > "Mark Probert" <Mark [email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]
> > >
> > > "TC" <tunde[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > news:[email protected]
> > >>
> > >> Daniel Ganek wrote:
> > >> > TC wrote:
> > >> > > RobJ wrote:
> > >> > >
> > >> > >>New York Times
> > >> > >>December 23, 2004
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >>F.D.A. Calls Ads for Cholesterol Pill Crestor 'False and
> > >> Misleading'
> > >> > >>By GARDINER HARRIS
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >>WASHINGTON - AstraZeneca's recent full-page newspaper
> > >> advertisements
> > >> > >>defending the safety of its cholesterol-lowering pill, Crestor,

are
> > >> > >>"false and misleading," in part because serious concerns remain
> > >> about
> > >> > >>the safety of the drug, federal drug regulators said Wednesday.
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >>The advertisements stated that "the F.D.A. has confidence in the
> > >> > >>safety and efficacy of Crestor" and that the agency "as recently

as
> > >> > >>last Friday publicly confirmed that Crestor is safe and

effective."
> > >> > >>Neither is true, said a letter from the Food and Drug
> > >> Administration
> > >> > >>to AstraZeneca.
> > >> > [[ SNIP ]]
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Lookee, lookee, the FDA is actually trying to look as if it is
> > >> doing
> > >> > > something useful now. Too little too late, eh?
> > >> > >
> > >> > > TC
> > >> > >
> > >> >
> > >> > I'm neither for nor against the FDA, BUT, wasn't it just a few

years
> > >> > ago we were all bitching that the FDA took TOO long to approve

drugs?
> > >> >
> > >> > Now, we're all bitching and moaning that they're not during their

job
> > >> and
> > >> > letting drugs on the market too soon!
> > >> >
> > >> > /dan
> > >>
> > >> Were we? I don't think so. Unless by "we" you are talking about the
> > >> pharma industry.
> > >
> > > "We" were. "We" being people who were hearing about treatments in the
> > > development stages for conditions where there was no treatment or no
> > > relief.
> > > "We" demanded a shorter process.

> >
> > You should know by now: The ideal FDA needs to approve all effective

safe
> > drugs overnight, and will catch all harmful and ineffective drugs
> > immediately.
> >
> > And that little nonsense about a process for distinguishing between the

two?
> > The public's not concerned with that.

>
>
> IOW, folks want Lord Jesus Christ to take over the FDA :)


Nope. I like government and religion kept in their own houses. Please keep
yours in yours.
 
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Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

Guest
Mark Probert wrote:
>
> "Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]
> > James Stein wrote:
> > >
> > > "Mark Probert" <Mark [email protected]> wrote in message
> > > news:[email protected]
> > > >
> > > > "TC" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > > news:[email protected]
> > > >>
> > > >> Daniel Ganek wrote:
> > > >> > TC wrote:
> > > >> > > RobJ wrote:
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > >>New York Times
> > > >> > >>December 23, 2004
> > > >> > >>
> > > >> > >>F.D.A. Calls Ads for Cholesterol Pill Crestor 'False and
> > > >> Misleading'
> > > >> > >>By GARDINER HARRIS
> > > >> > >>
> > > >> > >>WASHINGTON - AstraZeneca's recent full-page newspaper
> > > >> advertisements
> > > >> > >>defending the safety of its cholesterol-lowering pill, Crestor,

> are
> > > >> > >>"false and misleading," in part because serious concerns remain
> > > >> about
> > > >> > >>the safety of the drug, federal drug regulators said Wednesday.
> > > >> > >>
> > > >> > >>The advertisements stated that "the F.D.A. has confidence in the
> > > >> > >>safety and efficacy of Crestor" and that the agency "as recently

> as
> > > >> > >>last Friday publicly confirmed that Crestor is safe and

> effective."
> > > >> > >>Neither is true, said a letter from the Food and Drug
> > > >> Administration
> > > >> > >>to AstraZeneca.
> > > >> > [[ SNIP ]]
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > Lookee, lookee, the FDA is actually trying to look as if it is
> > > >> doing
> > > >> > > something useful now. Too little too late, eh?
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > TC
> > > >> > >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > I'm neither for nor against the FDA, BUT, wasn't it just a few

> years
> > > >> > ago we were all bitching that the FDA took TOO long to approve

> drugs?
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Now, we're all bitching and moaning that they're not during their

> job
> > > >> and
> > > >> > letting drugs on the market too soon!
> > > >> >
> > > >> > /dan
> > > >>
> > > >> Were we? I don't think so. Unless by "we" you are talking about the
> > > >> pharma industry.
> > > >
> > > > "We" were. "We" being people who were hearing about treatments in the
> > > > development stages for conditions where there was no treatment or no
> > > > relief.
> > > > "We" demanded a shorter process.
> > >
> > > You should know by now: The ideal FDA needs to approve all effective

> safe
> > > drugs overnight, and will catch all harmful and ineffective drugs
> > > immediately.
> > >
> > > And that little nonsense about a process for distinguishing between the

> two?
> > > The public's not concerned with that.

> >
> >
> > IOW, folks want Lord Jesus Christ to take over the FDA :)

>
> Nope. I like government and religion kept in their own houses. Please keep
> yours in yours.


Sorry my being openly Christian offends you (shrug):

http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A


May God bless those who read the following:

http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A


May what I have written enlighten you and others.

Such is the work being done here for Christ's glory
(http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A).


Servant to the humblest person in the universe,

Andrew

--
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Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

Guest
Mark Probert wrote:
>
> "James Stein" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]
> >
> > "Ilena Rose" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]
> > > On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 17:09:55 -0500, "Mark Probert" <Mark
> > > [email protected]> wrote:
> > >
> > >>
> > >>Agreed. There are those who expect perfection from the FDA and all
> > >>humankind.
> > >
> > >
> > > There is a HUMONGOUS continuum between "perfection" and the
> > > performance of the FDA, Marla.

> >
> >
> > Actually, what we refer to is the fact that people decry how long it takes
> > the FDA to get a drug certified. And when those times are shortened, they
> > complain that the screening process is not rigorous enough. Those two
> > qualities are mutually exclusive, yet people desire both.
> >
> > The FDA is *just* an organization. The fact that an ideal exists does not
> > mean we can achieve it.

>
> Which does not mean that there should be anything less than a maximum effort
> to achieve it.
>
> Remember, the FDA "foot dragging" on Thalidomide prevented that tragedy from
> occurring here.


Correct.

May God bless those who read the following:

http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A


May what I have written enlighten you and others.

Such is the work being done here for Christ's glory
(http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A).


Servant to the humblest person in the universe,

Andrew

--
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist
http://www.heartmdphd.com/

**
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Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

Guest
Mark Probert wrote:
>
> "Ilena Rose" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]
> > On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 17:09:55 -0500, "Mark Probert" <Mark
> > [email protected]rtel.com> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >Agreed. There are those who expect perfection from the FDA and all
> > >humankind.

> >
> >
> > There is a HUMONGOUS continuum between "perfection" and the
> > performance of the FDA, Mark.

>
> Not nearly as large as the gap between rationality and Ilena Rosenthal.
>
> Not nearly as large as the gap between sanity and Ilena Rosenthal.
>
> Not nearly as large as the gap between logic and Ilena Rosenthal.
>
> Not nearly as large as the gap between consistency and Ilena Rosenthal.
>
> Not nearly as large as the gap between non-hypocrisy and Ilena Rosenthal.
>
> When taken together, those gaps span such a void that even the Hubble Space
> Telescope would be strained to see from one end to the other.
>
> And, no, I am not defending the FDA. They are beginning to wake up to the
> problem. You, however, are in a multiple millennium long stupor and will
> never wake up to your problems.


There is so much hatred in you.

May God change this to love and bless you in many other ways.

May God similarly bless those who read the following:

http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A


May what I have written enlighten you and others.

Such is the work being done here for Christ's glory
(http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A).


Servant to the humblest person in the universe,

Andrew

--
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist
http://www.heartmdphd.com/

**
Who is the humblest person in the universe?
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Is this spam?
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Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

Guest
Mark Probert wrote:
>
> "Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]
> > Mark Probert wrote:
> > >
> > > "James Stein" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > news:[email protected]
> > > >
> > > > "Mark Probert" <Mark [email protected]> wrote in message
> > > > news:[email protected]
> > > > >
> > > > > "TC" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > > > news:[email protected]
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Daniel Ganek wrote:
> > > > >> > TC wrote:
> > > > >> > > RobJ wrote:
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > >>New York Times
> > > > >> > >>December 23, 2004
> > > > >> > >>
> > > > >> > >>F.D.A. Calls Ads for Cholesterol Pill Crestor 'False and
> > > > >> Misleading'
> > > > >> > >>By GARDINER HARRIS
> > > > >> > >>
> > > > >> > >>WASHINGTON - AstraZeneca's recent full-page newspaper
> > > > >> advertisements
> > > > >> > >>defending the safety of its cholesterol-lowering pill, Crestor,

> are
> > > > >> > >>"false and misleading," in part because serious concerns remain
> > > > >> about
> > > > >> > >>the safety of the drug, federal drug regulators said Wednesday.
> > > > >> > >>
> > > > >> > >>The advertisements stated that "the F.D.A. has confidence in

> the
> > > > >> > >>safety and efficacy of Crestor" and that the agency "as

> recently as
> > > > >> > >>last Friday publicly confirmed that Crestor is safe and

> effective."
> > > > >> > >>Neither is true, said a letter from the Food and Drug
> > > > >> Administration
> > > > >> > >>to AstraZeneca.
> > > > >> > [[ SNIP ]]
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > Lookee, lookee, the FDA is actually trying to look as if it is
> > > > >> doing
> > > > >> > > something useful now. Too little too late, eh?
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > TC
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > I'm neither for nor against the FDA, BUT, wasn't it just a few

> years
> > > > >> > ago we were all bitching that the FDA took TOO long to approve

> drugs?
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > Now, we're all bitching and moaning that they're not during their

> job
> > > > >> and
> > > > >> > letting drugs on the market too soon!
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > /dan
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Were we? I don't think so. Unless by "we" you are talking about the
> > > > >> pharma industry.
> > > > >
> > > > > "We" were. "We" being people who were hearing about treatments in

> the
> > > > > development stages for conditions where there was no treatment or no
> > > > > relief.
> > > > > "We" demanded a shorter process.
> > > >
> > > > You should know by now: The ideal FDA needs to approve all effective

> safe
> > > > drugs overnight, and will catch all harmful and ineffective drugs
> > > > immediately.
> > > >
> > > > And that little nonsense about a process for distinguishing between

> the
> > > two?
> > > > The public's not concerned with that.
> > >
> > > Agreed. There are those who expect perfection from the FDA and all
> > > humankind.

> >
> >
> > Enter Christ Jesus :)

>
> As a Jew, I find being proselytized offensive. Please do not respond to me
> again in this manner.


Sorry my being openly Christian offends you (please forgive me):

http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A


May God bless those who read the following:

http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A


And, may what I have written enlighten you and others.

Such is the work being done here for Christ's glory
(http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A).


Servant to the humblest person in the universe,

Andrew

--
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist
http://www.heartmdphd.com/

**
Who is the humblest person in the universe?
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Is this spam?
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Mark Probert

Guest
"Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]
> Mark Probert wrote:
> >
> > "Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:1103844990.0d561ce0ae5b1a91963b26e2[email protected]
> > > Mark Probert wrote:
> > > >
> > > > "James Stein" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > > news:[email protected]
> > > > >
> > > > > "Mark Probert" <Mark [email protected]> wrote in message
> > > > > news:[email protected]
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "TC" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:[email protected]
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Daniel Ganek wrote:
> > > > > >> > TC wrote:
> > > > > >> > > RobJ wrote:
> > > > > >> > >
> > > > > >> > >>New York Times
> > > > > >> > >>December 23, 2004
> > > > > >> > >>
> > > > > >> > >>F.D.A. Calls Ads for Cholesterol Pill Crestor 'False and
> > > > > >> Misleading'
> > > > > >> > >>By GARDINER HARRIS
> > > > > >> > >>
> > > > > >> > >>WASHINGTON - AstraZeneca's recent full-page newspaper
> > > > > >> advertisements
> > > > > >> > >>defending the safety of its cholesterol-lowering pill,

Crestor,
> > are
> > > > > >> > >>"false and misleading," in part because serious concerns

remain
> > > > > >> about
> > > > > >> > >>the safety of the drug, federal drug regulators said

Wednesday.
> > > > > >> > >>
> > > > > >> > >>The advertisements stated that "the F.D.A. has confidence

in
> > the
> > > > > >> > >>safety and efficacy of Crestor" and that the agency "as

> > recently as
> > > > > >> > >>last Friday publicly confirmed that Crestor is safe and

> > effective."
> > > > > >> > >>Neither is true, said a letter from the Food and Drug
> > > > > >> Administration
> > > > > >> > >>to AstraZeneca.
> > > > > >> > [[ SNIP ]]
> > > > > >> > >
> > > > > >> > > Lookee, lookee, the FDA is actually trying to look as if it

is
> > > > > >> doing
> > > > > >> > > something useful now. Too little too late, eh?
> > > > > >> > >
> > > > > >> > > TC
> > > > > >> > >
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > I'm neither for nor against the FDA, BUT, wasn't it just a

few
> > years
> > > > > >> > ago we were all bitching that the FDA took TOO long to

approve
> > drugs?
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > Now, we're all bitching and moaning that they're not during

their
> > job
> > > > > >> and
> > > > > >> > letting drugs on the market too soon!
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > /dan
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Were we? I don't think so. Unless by "we" you are talking about

the
> > > > > >> pharma industry.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "We" were. "We" being people who were hearing about treatments

in
> > the
> > > > > > development stages for conditions where there was no treatment

or no
> > > > > > relief.
> > > > > > "We" demanded a shorter process.
> > > > >
> > > > > You should know by now: The ideal FDA needs to approve all

effective
> > safe
> > > > > drugs overnight, and will catch all harmful and ineffective drugs
> > > > > immediately.
> > > > >
> > > > > And that little nonsense about a process for distinguishing

between
> > the
> > > > two?
> > > > > The public's not concerned with that.
> > > >
> > > > Agreed. There are those who expect perfection from the FDA and all
> > > > humankind.
> > >
> > >
> > > Enter Christ Jesus :)

> >
> > As a Jew, I find being proselytized offensive. Please do not respond to

me
> > again in this manner.

>
> Sorry my being openly Christian offends you (please forgive me):


Your being openly Christian is not what I found offensive. I specifically
stated that your response was, IMNSHO, proselytizing, and that is what I
found offensive. I trust that you are not claiming that being "openly
Christian" is the equivalent of proselytizing. If so, then your definition,
which is not the same as others, is offensive.

And, even after I asked you not to do it again, you did it. That is
offensive.
 
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Mark Probert

Guest
"Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]
> Mark Probert wrote:
> >
> > "James Stein" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]
> > >
> > > "Ilena Rose" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > news:l9sms0p1u945i8gu8ihq8j1vbip[email protected]
> > > > On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 17:09:55 -0500, "Mark Probert" <Mark
> > > > [email protected]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >>
> > > >>Agreed. There are those who expect perfection from the FDA and all
> > > >>humankind.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > There is a HUMONGOUS continuum between "perfection" and the
> > > > performance of the FDA, Marla.
> > >
> > >
> > > Actually, what we refer to is the fact that people decry how long it

takes
> > > the FDA to get a drug certified. And when those times are shortened,

they
> > > complain that the screening process is not rigorous enough. Those two
> > > qualities are mutually exclusive, yet people desire both.
> > >
> > > The FDA is *just* an organization. The fact that an ideal exists does

not
> > > mean we can achieve it.

> >
> > Which does not mean that there should be anything less than a maximum

effort
> > to achieve it.
> >
> > Remember, the FDA "foot dragging" on Thalidomide prevented that tragedy

from
> > occurring here.

>
> Correct.


Please do not respond to my posts. I see that you refuse to honor my
requests. I find your proselytizing to be egregiously offensive.
 
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Mike

Guest
"Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]
> Sorry my being openly Christian offends you (please forgive me):


Oh, it's ok to *be* one. Just not openly. You must fight against
your tendencies, keep it to yourself, and don't come barging in
demanding equal rights.

Oops, sorry, wrong group. I thought this was alt.homosexuality.
 
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Mark Probert

Guest
"Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]
> Mark Probert wrote:
> >
> > "Ilena Rose" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]
> > > On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 17:09:55 -0500, "Mark Probert" <Mark
> > > [email protected]> wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >Agreed. There are those who expect perfection from the FDA and all
> > > >humankind.
> > >
> > >
> > > There is a HUMONGOUS continuum between "perfection" and the
> > > performance of the FDA, Mark.

> >
> > Not nearly as large as the gap between rationality and Ilena Rosenthal.
> >
> > Not nearly as large as the gap between sanity and Ilena Rosenthal.
> >
> > Not nearly as large as the gap between logic and Ilena Rosenthal.
> >
> > Not nearly as large as the gap between consistency and Ilena Rosenthal.
> >
> > Not nearly as large as the gap between non-hypocrisy and Ilena

Rosenthal.
> >
> > When taken together, those gaps span such a void that even the Hubble

Space
> > Telescope would be strained to see from one end to the other.
> >
> > And, no, I am not defending the FDA. They are beginning to wake up to

the
> > problem. You, however, are in a multiple millennium long stupor and will
> > never wake up to your problems.

>
> There is so much hatred in you.


Wrong. Ms. Rosenthal believes that it is acceptable behavior to write to my
wife in a feeble and pathetic attempt to stifle my free speech.

Now, do not respond to my posts, if you are going to tack on your screed.
 
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Mark Probert

Guest
"Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]
> Mark Probert wrote:


> > Nope. I like government and religion kept in their own houses. Please

keep
> > yours in yours.

>
> Sorry my being openly Christian offends you (shrug):


Your being openly Christian is not what I found offensive. I specifically
stated that your response was, IMNSHO, proselytizing, and that is what I
found offensive. I trust that you are not claiming that being "openly
Christian" is the equivalent of proselytizing. If so, then your definition,
which is not the same as others, is offensive.

And, even after I asked you not to do it again, you did it. That is
offensive.
 
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Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

Guest
Mark Probert wrote:
>
> "Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]
> > Mark Probert wrote:

>
> > > Nope. I like government and religion kept in their own houses. Please

> keep
> > > yours in yours.

> >
> > Sorry my being openly Christian offends you (shrug):

>
> Your being openly Christian is not what I found offensive. I specifically
> stated that your response was, IMNSHO, proselytizing, and that is what I
> found offensive. I trust that you are not claiming that being "openly
> Christian" is the equivalent of proselytizing. If so, then your definition,
> which is not the same as others, is offensive.
>
> And, even after I asked you not to do it again, you did it. That is
> offensive.



Again, sorry my being openly Christian offends you (shrug):

http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A


May God bless those who read the following:

http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A


And, may what I have written enlighten you and others.

Such is the work being done here for Christ's glory
(http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A).


Servant to the humblest person in the universe,

Andrew

--
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist
http://www.heartmdphd.com/

**
Who is the humblest person in the universe?
http://makeashorterlink.com/?L26062048

What is all this about?
http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A

Is this spam?
http://makeashorterlink.com/?D13B21FF9
 
D

Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

Guest
Mark Probert wrote:
>
> "Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]
> > Mark Probert wrote:
> > >
> > > "Ilena Rose" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > news:[email protected]
> > > > On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 17:09:55 -0500, "Mark Probert" <Mark
> > > > [email protected]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >Agreed. There are those who expect perfection from the FDA and all
> > > > >humankind.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > There is a HUMONGOUS continuum between "perfection" and the
> > > > performance of the FDA, Mark.
> > >
> > > Not nearly as large as the gap between rationality and Ilena Rosenthal.
> > >
> > > Not nearly as large as the gap between sanity and Ilena Rosenthal.
> > >
> > > Not nearly as large as the gap between logic and Ilena Rosenthal.
> > >
> > > Not nearly as large as the gap between consistency and Ilena Rosenthal.
> > >
> > > Not nearly as large as the gap between non-hypocrisy and Ilena

> Rosenthal.
> > >
> > > When taken together, those gaps span such a void that even the Hubble

> Space
> > > Telescope would be strained to see from one end to the other.
> > >
> > > And, no, I am not defending the FDA. They are beginning to wake up to

> the
> > > problem. You, however, are in a multiple millennium long stupor and will
> > > never wake up to your problems.

> >
> > There is so much hatred in you.

>
> Wrong.


It certainly is not love.

> Ms. Rosenthal believes that it is acceptable behavior to write to my
> wife in a feeble and pathetic attempt to stifle my free speech.


It is ironic that you feel there are others trying to stifle your free
speech.

> Now, do not respond to my posts, if you are going to tack on your screed.


Again, the irony.

And again, sorry my being openly Christian offends you (shrug):

http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A


May God bless those who read the following:

http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A


And, may what I have written continue to enlighten you and others.

Such is the work being done here for Christ's glory
(http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A).


Servant to the humblest person in the universe,

Andrew

--
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist
http://www.heartmdphd.com/

**
Who is the humblest person in the universe?
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D

Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

Guest
Mark Probert wrote:
>
> "Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]
> > Mark Probert wrote:
> > >
> > > "James Stein" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > news:[email protected]
> > > >
> > > > "Ilena Rose" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > > news:[email protected]
> > > > > On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 17:09:55 -0500, "Mark Probert" <Mark
> > > > > [email protected]> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >>
> > > > >>Agreed. There are those who expect perfection from the FDA and all
> > > > >>humankind.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > There is a HUMONGOUS continuum between "perfection" and the
> > > > > performance of the FDA, Marla.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Actually, what we refer to is the fact that people decry how long it

> takes
> > > > the FDA to get a drug certified. And when those times are shortened,

> they
> > > > complain that the screening process is not rigorous enough. Those two
> > > > qualities are mutually exclusive, yet people desire both.
> > > >
> > > > The FDA is *just* an organization. The fact that an ideal exists does

> not
> > > > mean we can achieve it.
> > >
> > > Which does not mean that there should be anything less than a maximum

> effort
> > > to achieve it.
> > >
> > > Remember, the FDA "foot dragging" on Thalidomide prevented that tragedy

> from
> > > occurring here.

> >
> > Correct.

>
> Please do not respond to my posts. I see that you refuse to honor my
> requests. I find your proselytizing to be egregiously offensive.


Again, sorry my being openly Christian offends you (shrug):

http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A


May God bless those who read the following:

http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A


Also, may what I have written continue to enlighten you and others.

Such is the work being done here for Christ's glory
(http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A).


Servant to the humblest person in the universe,

Andrew

--
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist
http://www.heartmdphd.com/

**
Who is the humblest person in the universe?
http://makeashorterlink.com/?L26062048

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D

Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

Guest
Mark Probert wrote:
>
> "Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]
> > Mark Probert wrote:
> > >
> > > "Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > news:[email protected]
> > > > Mark Probert wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > "James Stein" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > > > news:[email protected]
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Mark Probert" <Mark [email protected]> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:[email protected]
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "TC" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > > > > > news:[email protected]
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> Daniel Ganek wrote:
> > > > > > >> > TC wrote:
> > > > > > >> > > RobJ wrote:
> > > > > > >> > >
> > > > > > >> > >>New York Times
> > > > > > >> > >>December 23, 2004
> > > > > > >> > >>
> > > > > > >> > >>F.D.A. Calls Ads for Cholesterol Pill Crestor 'False and
> > > > > > >> Misleading'
> > > > > > >> > >>By GARDINER HARRIS
> > > > > > >> > >>
> > > > > > >> > >>WASHINGTON - AstraZeneca's recent full-page newspaper
> > > > > > >> advertisements
> > > > > > >> > >>defending the safety of its cholesterol-lowering pill,

> Crestor,
> > > are
> > > > > > >> > >>"false and misleading," in part because serious concerns

> remain
> > > > > > >> about
> > > > > > >> > >>the safety of the drug, federal drug regulators said

> Wednesday.
> > > > > > >> > >>
> > > > > > >> > >>The advertisements stated that "the F.D.A. has confidence

> in
> > > the
> > > > > > >> > >>safety and efficacy of Crestor" and that the agency "as
> > > recently as
> > > > > > >> > >>last Friday publicly confirmed that Crestor is safe and
> > > effective."
> > > > > > >> > >>Neither is true, said a letter from the Food and Drug
> > > > > > >> Administration
> > > > > > >> > >>to AstraZeneca.
> > > > > > >> > [[ SNIP ]]
> > > > > > >> > >
> > > > > > >> > > Lookee, lookee, the FDA is actually trying to look as if it

> is
> > > > > > >> doing
> > > > > > >> > > something useful now. Too little too late, eh?
> > > > > > >> > >
> > > > > > >> > > TC
> > > > > > >> > >
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> > I'm neither for nor against the FDA, BUT, wasn't it just a

> few
> > > years
> > > > > > >> > ago we were all bitching that the FDA took TOO long to

> approve
> > > drugs?
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> > Now, we're all bitching and moaning that they're not during

> their
> > > job
> > > > > > >> and
> > > > > > >> > letting drugs on the market too soon!
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> > /dan
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> Were we? I don't think so. Unless by "we" you are talking about

> the
> > > > > > >> pharma industry.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "We" were. "We" being people who were hearing about treatments

> in
> > > the
> > > > > > > development stages for conditions where there was no treatment

> or no
> > > > > > > relief.
> > > > > > > "We" demanded a shorter process.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You should know by now: The ideal FDA needs to approve all

> effective
> > > safe
> > > > > > drugs overnight, and will catch all harmful and ineffective drugs
> > > > > > immediately.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > And that little nonsense about a process for distinguishing

> between
> > > the
> > > > > two?
> > > > > > The public's not concerned with that.
> > > > >
> > > > > Agreed. There are those who expect perfection from the FDA and all
> > > > > humankind.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Enter Christ Jesus :)
> > >
> > > As a Jew, I find being proselytized offensive. Please do not respond to

> me
> > > again in this manner.

> >
> > Sorry my being openly Christian offends you (please forgive me):

>
> Your being openly Christian is not what I found offensive.


It seems you need to be more truthful with yourself.

Again, sorry my being openly Christian offends you (shrug):

http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A


May God bless those who read the following:

http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A


Also, may what I have written continue to enlighten you and others.

Such is the work being done here for Christ's glory
(http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A).


Servant to the humblest person in the universe,

Andrew

--
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist
http://www.heartmdphd.com/

**
Who is the humblest person in the universe?
http://makeashorterlink.com/?L26062048

What is all this about?
http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A

Is this spam?
http://makeashorterlink.com/?D13B21FF9
 
M

Mark Probert

Guest
"Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]
> Mark Probert wrote:
> >
> > "Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]
> > > Mark Probert wrote:
> > > >
> > > > "Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email protected]> wrote in

message
> > > > news:[email protected]
> > > > > Mark Probert wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "James Stein" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:[email protected]
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "Mark Probert" <Mark [email protected]> wrote in

message
> > > > > > > news:[email protected]
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > "TC" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > > > > > >

news:[email protected]
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> Daniel Ganek wrote:
> > > > > > > >> > TC wrote:
> > > > > > > >> > > RobJ wrote:
> > > > > > > >> > >
> > > > > > > >> > >>New York Times
> > > > > > > >> > >>December 23, 2004
> > > > > > > >> > >>
> > > > > > > >> > >>F.D.A. Calls Ads for Cholesterol Pill Crestor 'False

and
> > > > > > > >> Misleading'
> > > > > > > >> > >>By GARDINER HARRIS
> > > > > > > >> > >>
> > > > > > > >> > >>WASHINGTON - AstraZeneca's recent full-page newspaper
> > > > > > > >> advertisements
> > > > > > > >> > >>defending the safety of its cholesterol-lowering pill,

> > Crestor,
> > > > are
> > > > > > > >> > >>"false and misleading," in part because serious

concerns
> > remain
> > > > > > > >> about
> > > > > > > >> > >>the safety of the drug, federal drug regulators said

> > Wednesday.
> > > > > > > >> > >>
> > > > > > > >> > >>The advertisements stated that "the F.D.A. has

confidence
> > in
> > > > the
> > > > > > > >> > >>safety and efficacy of Crestor" and that the agency "as
> > > > recently as
> > > > > > > >> > >>last Friday publicly confirmed that Crestor is safe and
> > > > effective."
> > > > > > > >> > >>Neither is true, said a letter from the Food and Drug
> > > > > > > >> Administration
> > > > > > > >> > >>to AstraZeneca.
> > > > > > > >> > [[ SNIP ]]
> > > > > > > >> > >
> > > > > > > >> > > Lookee, lookee, the FDA is actually trying to look as

if it
> > is
> > > > > > > >> doing
> > > > > > > >> > > something useful now. Too little too late, eh?
> > > > > > > >> > >
> > > > > > > >> > > TC
> > > > > > > >> > >
> > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > >> > I'm neither for nor against the FDA, BUT, wasn't it just

a
> > few
> > > > years
> > > > > > > >> > ago we were all bitching that the FDA took TOO long to

> > approve
> > > > drugs?
> > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > >> > Now, we're all bitching and moaning that they're not

during
> > their
> > > > job
> > > > > > > >> and
> > > > > > > >> > letting drugs on the market too soon!
> > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > >> > /dan
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> Were we? I don't think so. Unless by "we" you are talking

about
> > the
> > > > > > > >> pharma industry.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > "We" were. "We" being people who were hearing about

treatments
> > in
> > > > the
> > > > > > > > development stages for conditions where there was no

treatment
> > or no
> > > > > > > > relief.
> > > > > > > > "We" demanded a shorter process.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > You should know by now: The ideal FDA needs to approve all

> > effective
> > > > safe
> > > > > > > drugs overnight, and will catch all harmful and ineffective

drugs
> > > > > > > immediately.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > And that little nonsense about a process for distinguishing

> > between
> > > > the
> > > > > > two?
> > > > > > > The public's not concerned with that.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Agreed. There are those who expect perfection from the FDA and

all
> > > > > > humankind.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Enter Christ Jesus :)
> > > >
> > > > As a Jew, I find being proselytized offensive. Please do not respond

to
> > me
> > > > again in this manner.
> > >
> > > Sorry my being openly Christian offends you (please forgive me):

> >
> > Your being openly Christian is not what I found offensive.

>
> It seems you need to be more truthful with yourself.
>
> Again, sorry my being openly Christian offends you (shrug):


My neighbors are openly Christian.

My friends are openly Christian.

None of them shoves their religion in my face.

None of them would behave as you do.
 
M

Mark Probert

Guest
"Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]
> Mark Probert wrote:
> >
> > "Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]
> > > Mark Probert wrote:
> > > >
> > > > "Ilena Rose" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > > news:[email protected]
> > > > > On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 17:09:55 -0500, "Mark Probert" <Mark
> > > > > [email protected]> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Agreed. There are those who expect perfection from the FDA and

all
> > > > > >humankind.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > There is a HUMONGOUS continuum between "perfection" and the
> > > > > performance of the FDA, Mark.
> > > >
> > > > Not nearly as large as the gap between rationality and Ilena

Rosenthal.
> > > >
> > > > Not nearly as large as the gap between sanity and Ilena Rosenthal.
> > > >
> > > > Not nearly as large as the gap between logic and Ilena Rosenthal.
> > > >
> > > > Not nearly as large as the gap between consistency and Ilena

Rosenthal.
> > > >
> > > > Not nearly as large as the gap between non-hypocrisy and Ilena

> > Rosenthal.
> > > >
> > > > When taken together, those gaps span such a void that even the

Hubble
> > Space
> > > > Telescope would be strained to see from one end to the other.
> > > >
> > > > And, no, I am not defending the FDA. They are beginning to wake up

to
> > the
> > > > problem. You, however, are in a multiple millennium long stupor and

will
> > > > never wake up to your problems.
> > >
> > > There is so much hatred in you.

> >
> > Wrong.

>
> It certainly is not love.


It isd a form of pity. However, I refuse to be her victim.

> > Ms. Rosenthal believes that it is acceptable behavior to write to my
> > wife in a feeble and pathetic attempt to stifle my free speech.

>
> It is ironic that you feel there are others trying to stifle your free
> speech.


There is no irony. I *requested* that you do not proslytize to me. I did
nothing to stop you. I again *request* that you cease.

> > Now, do not respond to my posts, if you are going to tack on your

screed.
>
> Again, the irony.


Like I said, no irony. Just your inability to recognize another's point of
view.
 
L

listener

Guest
"Mark Probert" <Mark [email protected]> wrote in
news:eek:[email protected]:

>
> "Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]
>> Mark Probert wrote:
>> >
>> > "Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email protected]> wrote in
>> > message
>> > news:[email protected]
>> > > Mark Probert wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > "Ilena Rose" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> > > > news:[email protected]
>> > > > > On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 17:09:55 -0500, "Mark Probert" <Mark
>> > > > > [email protected]> wrote:
>> > > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >Agreed. There are those who expect perfection from the FDA
>> > > > > >and

> all
>> > > > > >humankind.
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > There is a HUMONGOUS continuum between "perfection" and the
>> > > > > performance of the FDA, Mark.
>> > > >
>> > > > Not nearly as large as the gap between rationality and Ilena

> Rosenthal.
>> > > >
>> > > > Not nearly as large as the gap between sanity and Ilena
>> > > > Rosenthal.
>> > > >
>> > > > Not nearly as large as the gap between logic and Ilena
>> > > > Rosenthal.
>> > > >
>> > > > Not nearly as large as the gap between consistency and Ilena

> Rosenthal.
>> > > >
>> > > > Not nearly as large as the gap between non-hypocrisy and Ilena
>> > Rosenthal.
>> > > >
>> > > > When taken together, those gaps span such a void that even the

> Hubble
>> > Space
>> > > > Telescope would be strained to see from one end to the other.
>> > > >
>> > > > And, no, I am not defending the FDA. They are beginning to wake
>> > > > up

> to
>> > the
>> > > > problem. You, however, are in a multiple millennium long stupor
>> > > > and

> will
>> > > > never wake up to your problems.
>> > >
>> > > There is so much hatred in you.
>> >
>> > Wrong.

>>
>> It certainly is not love.

>
> It isd a form of pity. However, I refuse to be her victim.
>
>> > Ms. Rosenthal believes that it is acceptable behavior to write to
>> > my wife in a feeble and pathetic attempt to stifle my free speech.

>>
>> It is ironic that you feel there are others trying to stifle your
>> free speech.

>
> There is no irony. I *requested* that you do not proslytize to me. I
> did nothing to stop you. I again *request* that you cease.
>
>> > Now, do not respond to my posts, if you are going to tack on your

> screed.
>>
>> Again, the irony.

>
> Like I said, no irony. Just your inability to recognize another's
> point of view.
>
>
>
>


You are wasting your words and time. "Dr." Chung is mentally unbalanced
and no amount of asking, pleading or cajoling will get him to stop.

L.