Re: FDA Calls Crestor Ads 'False and Misleading'



"Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:1103844990.0d561ce0ae5b1a91963b26e207c39021@teranews...
> Mark Probert wrote:
> >
> > "James Stein" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > >
> > > "Mark Probert" <Mark [email protected]> wrote in message
> > > news:[email protected]...
> > > >
> > > > "TC" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > > news:[email protected]...
> > > >>
> > > >> Daniel Ganek wrote:
> > > >> > TC wrote:
> > > >> > > RobJ wrote:
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > >>New York Times
> > > >> > >>December 23, 2004
> > > >> > >>
> > > >> > >>F.D.A. Calls Ads for Cholesterol Pill Crestor 'False and
> > > >> Misleading'
> > > >> > >>By GARDINER HARRIS
> > > >> > >>
> > > >> > >>WASHINGTON - AstraZeneca's recent full-page newspaper
> > > >> advertisements
> > > >> > >>defending the safety of its cholesterol-lowering pill, Crestor,
are
> > > >> > >>"false and misleading," in part because serious concerns remain
> > > >> about
> > > >> > >>the safety of the drug, federal drug regulators said Wednesday.
> > > >> > >>
> > > >> > >>The advertisements stated that "the F.D.A. has confidence in
the
> > > >> > >>safety and efficacy of Crestor" and that the agency "as
recently as
> > > >> > >>last Friday publicly confirmed that Crestor is safe and
effective."
> > > >> > >>Neither is true, said a letter from the Food and Drug
> > > >> Administration
> > > >> > >>to AstraZeneca.
> > > >> > [[ SNIP ]]
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > Lookee, lookee, the FDA is actually trying to look as if it is
> > > >> doing
> > > >> > > something useful now. Too little too late, eh?
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > TC
> > > >> > >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > I'm neither for nor against the FDA, BUT, wasn't it just a few
years
> > > >> > ago we were all *****ing that the FDA took TOO long to approve
drugs?
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Now, we're all *****ing and moaning that they're not during their
job
> > > >> and
> > > >> > letting drugs on the market too soon!
> > > >> >
> > > >> > /dan
> > > >>
> > > >> Were we? I don't think so. Unless by "we" you are talking about the
> > > >> pharma industry.
> > > >
> > > > "We" were. "We" being people who were hearing about treatments in
the
> > > > development stages for conditions where there was no treatment or no
> > > > relief.
> > > > "We" demanded a shorter process.
> > >
> > > You should know by now: The ideal FDA needs to approve all effective
safe
> > > drugs overnight, and will catch all harmful and ineffective drugs
> > > immediately.
> > >
> > > And that little nonsense about a process for distinguishing between
the
> > two?
> > > The public's not concerned with that.
> >
> > Agreed. There are those who expect perfection from the FDA and all
> > humankind.
>
>
> Enter Christ Jesus :)

As a Jew, I find being proselytized offensive. Please do not respond to me
again in this manner.
 
"Ilena Rose" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 17:09:55 -0500, "Mark Probert" <Mark
> [email protected]> wrote:
>
> >
> >Agreed. There are those who expect perfection from the FDA and all
> >humankind.
>
>
> There is a HUMONGOUS continuum between "perfection" and the
> performance of the FDA, Mark.

Not nearly as large as the gap between rationality and Ilena Rosenthal.

Not nearly as large as the gap between sanity and Ilena Rosenthal.

Not nearly as large as the gap between logic and Ilena Rosenthal.

Not nearly as large as the gap between consistency and Ilena Rosenthal.

Not nearly as large as the gap between non-hypocrisy and Ilena Rosenthal.

When taken together, those gaps span such a void that even the Hubble Space
Telescope would be strained to see from one end to the other.

And, no, I am not defending the FDA. They are beginning to wake up to the
problem. You, however, are in a multiple millennium long stupor and will
never wake up to your problems.
 
"James Stein" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Ilena Rose" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 17:09:55 -0500, "Mark Probert" <Mark
> > [email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>Agreed. There are those who expect perfection from the FDA and all
> >>humankind.
> >
> >
> > There is a HUMONGOUS continuum between "perfection" and the
> > performance of the FDA, Marla.
>
>
> Actually, what we refer to is the fact that people decry how long it takes
> the FDA to get a drug certified. And when those times are shortened, they
> complain that the screening process is not rigorous enough. Those two
> qualities are mutually exclusive, yet people desire both.
>
> The FDA is *just* an organization. The fact that an ideal exists does not
> mean we can achieve it.

Which does not mean that there should be anything less than a maximum effort
to achieve it.

Remember, the FDA "foot dragging" on Thalidomide prevented that tragedy from
occurring here.
 
"Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:1103844998.42f41079ba3e39a77b365e890d8ddc5e@teranews...
> James Stein wrote:
> >
> > "Mark Probert" <Mark [email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > >
> > > "TC" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > news:[email protected]...
> > >>
> > >> Daniel Ganek wrote:
> > >> > TC wrote:
> > >> > > RobJ wrote:
> > >> > >
> > >> > >>New York Times
> > >> > >>December 23, 2004
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >>F.D.A. Calls Ads for Cholesterol Pill Crestor 'False and
> > >> Misleading'
> > >> > >>By GARDINER HARRIS
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >>WASHINGTON - AstraZeneca's recent full-page newspaper
> > >> advertisements
> > >> > >>defending the safety of its cholesterol-lowering pill, Crestor,
are
> > >> > >>"false and misleading," in part because serious concerns remain
> > >> about
> > >> > >>the safety of the drug, federal drug regulators said Wednesday.
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >>The advertisements stated that "the F.D.A. has confidence in the
> > >> > >>safety and efficacy of Crestor" and that the agency "as recently
as
> > >> > >>last Friday publicly confirmed that Crestor is safe and
effective."
> > >> > >>Neither is true, said a letter from the Food and Drug
> > >> Administration
> > >> > >>to AstraZeneca.
> > >> > [[ SNIP ]]
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Lookee, lookee, the FDA is actually trying to look as if it is
> > >> doing
> > >> > > something useful now. Too little too late, eh?
> > >> > >
> > >> > > TC
> > >> > >
> > >> >
> > >> > I'm neither for nor against the FDA, BUT, wasn't it just a few
years
> > >> > ago we were all *****ing that the FDA took TOO long to approve
drugs?
> > >> >
> > >> > Now, we're all *****ing and moaning that they're not during their
job
> > >> and
> > >> > letting drugs on the market too soon!
> > >> >
> > >> > /dan
> > >>
> > >> Were we? I don't think so. Unless by "we" you are talking about the
> > >> pharma industry.
> > >
> > > "We" were. "We" being people who were hearing about treatments in the
> > > development stages for conditions where there was no treatment or no
> > > relief.
> > > "We" demanded a shorter process.
> >
> > You should know by now: The ideal FDA needs to approve all effective
safe
> > drugs overnight, and will catch all harmful and ineffective drugs
> > immediately.
> >
> > And that little nonsense about a process for distinguishing between the
two?
> > The public's not concerned with that.
>
>
> IOW, folks want Lord Jesus Christ to take over the FDA :)

Nope. I like government and religion kept in their own houses. Please keep
yours in yours.
 
Mark Probert wrote:
>
> "Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:1103844998.42f41079ba3e39a77b365e890d8ddc5e@teranews...
> > James Stein wrote:
> > >
> > > "Mark Probert" <Mark [email protected]> wrote in message
> > > news:[email protected]...
> > > >
> > > > "TC" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > > news:[email protected]...
> > > >>
> > > >> Daniel Ganek wrote:
> > > >> > TC wrote:
> > > >> > > RobJ wrote:
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > >>New York Times
> > > >> > >>December 23, 2004
> > > >> > >>
> > > >> > >>F.D.A. Calls Ads for Cholesterol Pill Crestor 'False and
> > > >> Misleading'
> > > >> > >>By GARDINER HARRIS
> > > >> > >>
> > > >> > >>WASHINGTON - AstraZeneca's recent full-page newspaper
> > > >> advertisements
> > > >> > >>defending the safety of its cholesterol-lowering pill, Crestor,
> are
> > > >> > >>"false and misleading," in part because serious concerns remain
> > > >> about
> > > >> > >>the safety of the drug, federal drug regulators said Wednesday.
> > > >> > >>
> > > >> > >>The advertisements stated that "the F.D.A. has confidence in the
> > > >> > >>safety and efficacy of Crestor" and that the agency "as recently
> as
> > > >> > >>last Friday publicly confirmed that Crestor is safe and
> effective."
> > > >> > >>Neither is true, said a letter from the Food and Drug
> > > >> Administration
> > > >> > >>to AstraZeneca.
> > > >> > [[ SNIP ]]
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > Lookee, lookee, the FDA is actually trying to look as if it is
> > > >> doing
> > > >> > > something useful now. Too little too late, eh?
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > TC
> > > >> > >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > I'm neither for nor against the FDA, BUT, wasn't it just a few
> years
> > > >> > ago we were all *****ing that the FDA took TOO long to approve
> drugs?
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Now, we're all *****ing and moaning that they're not during their
> job
> > > >> and
> > > >> > letting drugs on the market too soon!
> > > >> >
> > > >> > /dan
> > > >>
> > > >> Were we? I don't think so. Unless by "we" you are talking about the
> > > >> pharma industry.
> > > >
> > > > "We" were. "We" being people who were hearing about treatments in the
> > > > development stages for conditions where there was no treatment or no
> > > > relief.
> > > > "We" demanded a shorter process.
> > >
> > > You should know by now: The ideal FDA needs to approve all effective
> safe
> > > drugs overnight, and will catch all harmful and ineffective drugs
> > > immediately.
> > >
> > > And that little nonsense about a process for distinguishing between the
> two?
> > > The public's not concerned with that.
> >
> >
> > IOW, folks want Lord Jesus Christ to take over the FDA :)
>
> Nope. I like government and religion kept in their own houses. Please keep
> yours in yours.

Sorry my being openly Christian offends you (shrug):

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May God bless those who read the following:

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Andrew

--
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Mark Probert wrote:
>
> "James Stein" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> >
> > "Ilena Rose" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > > On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 17:09:55 -0500, "Mark Probert" <Mark
> > > [email protected]> wrote:
> > >
> > >>
> > >>Agreed. There are those who expect perfection from the FDA and all
> > >>humankind.
> > >
> > >
> > > There is a HUMONGOUS continuum between "perfection" and the
> > > performance of the FDA, Marla.
> >
> >
> > Actually, what we refer to is the fact that people decry how long it takes
> > the FDA to get a drug certified. And when those times are shortened, they
> > complain that the screening process is not rigorous enough. Those two
> > qualities are mutually exclusive, yet people desire both.
> >
> > The FDA is *just* an organization. The fact that an ideal exists does not
> > mean we can achieve it.
>
> Which does not mean that there should be anything less than a maximum effort
> to achieve it.
>
> Remember, the FDA "foot dragging" on Thalidomide prevented that tragedy from
> occurring here.

Correct.

May God bless those who read the following:

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May what I have written enlighten you and others.

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Servant to the humblest person in the universe,

Andrew

--
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Board-Certified Cardiologist
http://www.heartmdphd.com/

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Mark Probert wrote:
>
> "Ilena Rose" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 17:09:55 -0500, "Mark Probert" <Mark
> > [email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >Agreed. There are those who expect perfection from the FDA and all
> > >humankind.
> >
> >
> > There is a HUMONGOUS continuum between "perfection" and the
> > performance of the FDA, Mark.
>
> Not nearly as large as the gap between rationality and Ilena Rosenthal.
>
> Not nearly as large as the gap between sanity and Ilena Rosenthal.
>
> Not nearly as large as the gap between logic and Ilena Rosenthal.
>
> Not nearly as large as the gap between consistency and Ilena Rosenthal.
>
> Not nearly as large as the gap between non-hypocrisy and Ilena Rosenthal.
>
> When taken together, those gaps span such a void that even the Hubble Space
> Telescope would be strained to see from one end to the other.
>
> And, no, I am not defending the FDA. They are beginning to wake up to the
> problem. You, however, are in a multiple millennium long stupor and will
> never wake up to your problems.

There is so much hatred in you.

May God change this to love and bless you in many other ways.

May God similarly bless those who read the following:

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May what I have written enlighten you and others.

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Servant to the humblest person in the universe,

Andrew

--
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Board-Certified Cardiologist
http://www.heartmdphd.com/

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Mark Probert wrote:
>
> "Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:1103844990.0d561ce0ae5b1a91963b26e207c39021@teranews...
> > Mark Probert wrote:
> > >
> > > "James Stein" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > news:[email protected]...
> > > >
> > > > "Mark Probert" <Mark [email protected]> wrote in message
> > > > news:[email protected]...
> > > > >
> > > > > "TC" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > > > news:[email protected]...
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Daniel Ganek wrote:
> > > > >> > TC wrote:
> > > > >> > > RobJ wrote:
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > >>New York Times
> > > > >> > >>December 23, 2004
> > > > >> > >>
> > > > >> > >>F.D.A. Calls Ads for Cholesterol Pill Crestor 'False and
> > > > >> Misleading'
> > > > >> > >>By GARDINER HARRIS
> > > > >> > >>
> > > > >> > >>WASHINGTON - AstraZeneca's recent full-page newspaper
> > > > >> advertisements
> > > > >> > >>defending the safety of its cholesterol-lowering pill, Crestor,
> are
> > > > >> > >>"false and misleading," in part because serious concerns remain
> > > > >> about
> > > > >> > >>the safety of the drug, federal drug regulators said Wednesday.
> > > > >> > >>
> > > > >> > >>The advertisements stated that "the F.D.A. has confidence in
> the
> > > > >> > >>safety and efficacy of Crestor" and that the agency "as
> recently as
> > > > >> > >>last Friday publicly confirmed that Crestor is safe and
> effective."
> > > > >> > >>Neither is true, said a letter from the Food and Drug
> > > > >> Administration
> > > > >> > >>to AstraZeneca.
> > > > >> > [[ SNIP ]]
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > Lookee, lookee, the FDA is actually trying to look as if it is
> > > > >> doing
> > > > >> > > something useful now. Too little too late, eh?
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > TC
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > I'm neither for nor against the FDA, BUT, wasn't it just a few
> years
> > > > >> > ago we were all *****ing that the FDA took TOO long to approve
> drugs?
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > Now, we're all *****ing and moaning that they're not during their
> job
> > > > >> and
> > > > >> > letting drugs on the market too soon!
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > /dan
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Were we? I don't think so. Unless by "we" you are talking about the
> > > > >> pharma industry.
> > > > >
> > > > > "We" were. "We" being people who were hearing about treatments in
> the
> > > > > development stages for conditions where there was no treatment or no
> > > > > relief.
> > > > > "We" demanded a shorter process.
> > > >
> > > > You should know by now: The ideal FDA needs to approve all effective
> safe
> > > > drugs overnight, and will catch all harmful and ineffective drugs
> > > > immediately.
> > > >
> > > > And that little nonsense about a process for distinguishing between
> the
> > > two?
> > > > The public's not concerned with that.
> > >
> > > Agreed. There are those who expect perfection from the FDA and all
> > > humankind.
> >
> >
> > Enter Christ Jesus :)
>
> As a Jew, I find being proselytized offensive. Please do not respond to me
> again in this manner.

Sorry my being openly Christian offends you (please forgive me):

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May God bless those who read the following:

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And, may what I have written enlighten you and others.

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(http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A).


Servant to the humblest person in the universe,

Andrew

--
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Board-Certified Cardiologist
http://www.heartmdphd.com/

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"Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:1103897365.0f112decc921452c0d3cbdc981caa9c8@teranews...
> Mark Probert wrote:
> >
> > "Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:1103844990.0d561ce0ae5b1a91963b26e207c39021@teranews...
> > > Mark Probert wrote:
> > > >
> > > > "James Stein" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > > news:[email protected]...
> > > > >
> > > > > "Mark Probert" <Mark [email protected]> wrote in message
> > > > > news:[email protected]...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "TC" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:[email protected]...
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Daniel Ganek wrote:
> > > > > >> > TC wrote:
> > > > > >> > > RobJ wrote:
> > > > > >> > >
> > > > > >> > >>New York Times
> > > > > >> > >>December 23, 2004
> > > > > >> > >>
> > > > > >> > >>F.D.A. Calls Ads for Cholesterol Pill Crestor 'False and
> > > > > >> Misleading'
> > > > > >> > >>By GARDINER HARRIS
> > > > > >> > >>
> > > > > >> > >>WASHINGTON - AstraZeneca's recent full-page newspaper
> > > > > >> advertisements
> > > > > >> > >>defending the safety of its cholesterol-lowering pill,
Crestor,
> > are
> > > > > >> > >>"false and misleading," in part because serious concerns
remain
> > > > > >> about
> > > > > >> > >>the safety of the drug, federal drug regulators said
Wednesday.
> > > > > >> > >>
> > > > > >> > >>The advertisements stated that "the F.D.A. has confidence
in
> > the
> > > > > >> > >>safety and efficacy of Crestor" and that the agency "as
> > recently as
> > > > > >> > >>last Friday publicly confirmed that Crestor is safe and
> > effective."
> > > > > >> > >>Neither is true, said a letter from the Food and Drug
> > > > > >> Administration
> > > > > >> > >>to AstraZeneca.
> > > > > >> > [[ SNIP ]]
> > > > > >> > >
> > > > > >> > > Lookee, lookee, the FDA is actually trying to look as if it
is
> > > > > >> doing
> > > > > >> > > something useful now. Too little too late, eh?
> > > > > >> > >
> > > > > >> > > TC
> > > > > >> > >
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > I'm neither for nor against the FDA, BUT, wasn't it just a
few
> > years
> > > > > >> > ago we were all *****ing that the FDA took TOO long to
approve
> > drugs?
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > Now, we're all *****ing and moaning that they're not during
their
> > job
> > > > > >> and
> > > > > >> > letting drugs on the market too soon!
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > /dan
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Were we? I don't think so. Unless by "we" you are talking about
the
> > > > > >> pharma industry.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "We" were. "We" being people who were hearing about treatments
in
> > the
> > > > > > development stages for conditions where there was no treatment
or no
> > > > > > relief.
> > > > > > "We" demanded a shorter process.
> > > > >
> > > > > You should know by now: The ideal FDA needs to approve all
effective
> > safe
> > > > > drugs overnight, and will catch all harmful and ineffective drugs
> > > > > immediately.
> > > > >
> > > > > And that little nonsense about a process for distinguishing
between
> > the
> > > > two?
> > > > > The public's not concerned with that.
> > > >
> > > > Agreed. There are those who expect perfection from the FDA and all
> > > > humankind.
> > >
> > >
> > > Enter Christ Jesus :)
> >
> > As a Jew, I find being proselytized offensive. Please do not respond to
me
> > again in this manner.
>
> Sorry my being openly Christian offends you (please forgive me):

Your being openly Christian is not what I found offensive. I specifically
stated that your response was, IMNSHO, proselytizing, and that is what I
found offensive. I trust that you are not claiming that being "openly
Christian" is the equivalent of proselytizing. If so, then your definition,
which is not the same as others, is offensive.

And, even after I asked you not to do it again, you did it. That is
offensive.
 
"Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:1103897358.1f21bad5fd4f3c7d160e42be49ac05ee@teranews...
> Mark Probert wrote:
> >
> > "James Stein" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > >
> > > "Ilena Rose" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > news:[email protected]...
> > > > On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 17:09:55 -0500, "Mark Probert" <Mark
> > > > [email protected]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >>
> > > >>Agreed. There are those who expect perfection from the FDA and all
> > > >>humankind.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > There is a HUMONGOUS continuum between "perfection" and the
> > > > performance of the FDA, Marla.
> > >
> > >
> > > Actually, what we refer to is the fact that people decry how long it
takes
> > > the FDA to get a drug certified. And when those times are shortened,
they
> > > complain that the screening process is not rigorous enough. Those two
> > > qualities are mutually exclusive, yet people desire both.
> > >
> > > The FDA is *just* an organization. The fact that an ideal exists does
not
> > > mean we can achieve it.
> >
> > Which does not mean that there should be anything less than a maximum
effort
> > to achieve it.
> >
> > Remember, the FDA "foot dragging" on Thalidomide prevented that tragedy
from
> > occurring here.
>
> Correct.

Please do not respond to my posts. I see that you refuse to honor my
requests. I find your proselytizing to be egregiously offensive.
 
"Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:1103897365.0f112decc921452c0d3cbdc981caa9c8@teranews...
> Sorry my being openly Christian offends you (please forgive me):

Oh, it's ok to *be* one. Just not openly. You must fight against
your tendencies, keep it to yourself, and don't come barging in
demanding equal rights.

Oops, sorry, wrong group. I thought this was alt.homosexuality.
 
"Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:1103897362.87def0005d653abc9d0384dff3bf770b@teranews...
> Mark Probert wrote:
> >
> > "Ilena Rose" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > > On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 17:09:55 -0500, "Mark Probert" <Mark
> > > [email protected]> wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >Agreed. There are those who expect perfection from the FDA and all
> > > >humankind.
> > >
> > >
> > > There is a HUMONGOUS continuum between "perfection" and the
> > > performance of the FDA, Mark.
> >
> > Not nearly as large as the gap between rationality and Ilena Rosenthal.
> >
> > Not nearly as large as the gap between sanity and Ilena Rosenthal.
> >
> > Not nearly as large as the gap between logic and Ilena Rosenthal.
> >
> > Not nearly as large as the gap between consistency and Ilena Rosenthal.
> >
> > Not nearly as large as the gap between non-hypocrisy and Ilena
Rosenthal.
> >
> > When taken together, those gaps span such a void that even the Hubble
Space
> > Telescope would be strained to see from one end to the other.
> >
> > And, no, I am not defending the FDA. They are beginning to wake up to
the
> > problem. You, however, are in a multiple millennium long stupor and will
> > never wake up to your problems.
>
> There is so much hatred in you.

Wrong. Ms. Rosenthal believes that it is acceptable behavior to write to my
wife in a feeble and pathetic attempt to stifle my free speech.

Now, do not respond to my posts, if you are going to tack on your screed.
 
"Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:1103897354.806bcda0a572e31cfbf68d9d9f833039@teranews...
> Mark Probert wrote:

> > Nope. I like government and religion kept in their own houses. Please
keep
> > yours in yours.
>
> Sorry my being openly Christian offends you (shrug):

Your being openly Christian is not what I found offensive. I specifically
stated that your response was, IMNSHO, proselytizing, and that is what I
found offensive. I trust that you are not claiming that being "openly
Christian" is the equivalent of proselytizing. If so, then your definition,
which is not the same as others, is offensive.

And, even after I asked you not to do it again, you did it. That is
offensive.
 
Mark Probert wrote:
>
> "Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:1103897354.806bcda0a572e31cfbf68d9d9f833039@teranews...
> > Mark Probert wrote:
>
> > > Nope. I like government and religion kept in their own houses. Please
> keep
> > > yours in yours.
> >
> > Sorry my being openly Christian offends you (shrug):
>
> Your being openly Christian is not what I found offensive. I specifically
> stated that your response was, IMNSHO, proselytizing, and that is what I
> found offensive. I trust that you are not claiming that being "openly
> Christian" is the equivalent of proselytizing. If so, then your definition,
> which is not the same as others, is offensive.
>
> And, even after I asked you not to do it again, you did it. That is
> offensive.


Again, sorry my being openly Christian offends you (shrug):

http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A


May God bless those who read the following:

http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A


And, may what I have written enlighten you and others.

Such is the work being done here for Christ's glory
(http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A).


Servant to the humblest person in the universe,

Andrew

--
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist
http://www.heartmdphd.com/

**
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Mark Probert wrote:
>
> "Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:1103897362.87def0005d653abc9d0384dff3bf770b@teranews...
> > Mark Probert wrote:
> > >
> > > "Ilena Rose" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > news:[email protected]...
> > > > On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 17:09:55 -0500, "Mark Probert" <Mark
> > > > [email protected]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >Agreed. There are those who expect perfection from the FDA and all
> > > > >humankind.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > There is a HUMONGOUS continuum between "perfection" and the
> > > > performance of the FDA, Mark.
> > >
> > > Not nearly as large as the gap between rationality and Ilena Rosenthal.
> > >
> > > Not nearly as large as the gap between sanity and Ilena Rosenthal.
> > >
> > > Not nearly as large as the gap between logic and Ilena Rosenthal.
> > >
> > > Not nearly as large as the gap between consistency and Ilena Rosenthal.
> > >
> > > Not nearly as large as the gap between non-hypocrisy and Ilena
> Rosenthal.
> > >
> > > When taken together, those gaps span such a void that even the Hubble
> Space
> > > Telescope would be strained to see from one end to the other.
> > >
> > > And, no, I am not defending the FDA. They are beginning to wake up to
> the
> > > problem. You, however, are in a multiple millennium long stupor and will
> > > never wake up to your problems.
> >
> > There is so much hatred in you.
>
> Wrong.

It certainly is not love.

> Ms. Rosenthal believes that it is acceptable behavior to write to my
> wife in a feeble and pathetic attempt to stifle my free speech.

It is ironic that you feel there are others trying to stifle your free
speech.

> Now, do not respond to my posts, if you are going to tack on your screed.

Again, the irony.

And again, sorry my being openly Christian offends you (shrug):

http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A


May God bless those who read the following:

http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A


And, may what I have written continue to enlighten you and others.

Such is the work being done here for Christ's glory
(http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A).


Servant to the humblest person in the universe,

Andrew

--
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist
http://www.heartmdphd.com/

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Mark Probert wrote:
>
> "Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:1103897358.1f21bad5fd4f3c7d160e42be49ac05ee@teranews...
> > Mark Probert wrote:
> > >
> > > "James Stein" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > news:[email protected]...
> > > >
> > > > "Ilena Rose" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > > news:[email protected]...
> > > > > On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 17:09:55 -0500, "Mark Probert" <Mark
> > > > > [email protected]> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >>
> > > > >>Agreed. There are those who expect perfection from the FDA and all
> > > > >>humankind.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > There is a HUMONGOUS continuum between "perfection" and the
> > > > > performance of the FDA, Marla.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Actually, what we refer to is the fact that people decry how long it
> takes
> > > > the FDA to get a drug certified. And when those times are shortened,
> they
> > > > complain that the screening process is not rigorous enough. Those two
> > > > qualities are mutually exclusive, yet people desire both.
> > > >
> > > > The FDA is *just* an organization. The fact that an ideal exists does
> not
> > > > mean we can achieve it.
> > >
> > > Which does not mean that there should be anything less than a maximum
> effort
> > > to achieve it.
> > >
> > > Remember, the FDA "foot dragging" on Thalidomide prevented that tragedy
> from
> > > occurring here.
> >
> > Correct.
>
> Please do not respond to my posts. I see that you refuse to honor my
> requests. I find your proselytizing to be egregiously offensive.

Again, sorry my being openly Christian offends you (shrug):

http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A


May God bless those who read the following:

http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A


Also, may what I have written continue to enlighten you and others.

Such is the work being done here for Christ's glory
(http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A).


Servant to the humblest person in the universe,

Andrew

--
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist
http://www.heartmdphd.com/

**
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Mark Probert wrote:
>
> "Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:1103897365.0f112decc921452c0d3cbdc981caa9c8@teranews...
> > Mark Probert wrote:
> > >
> > > "Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > news:1103844990.0d561ce0ae5b1a91963b26e207c39021@teranews...
> > > > Mark Probert wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > "James Stein" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > > > news:[email protected]...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Mark Probert" <Mark [email protected]> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:[email protected]...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "TC" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > > > > > news:[email protected]...
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> Daniel Ganek wrote:
> > > > > > >> > TC wrote:
> > > > > > >> > > RobJ wrote:
> > > > > > >> > >
> > > > > > >> > >>New York Times
> > > > > > >> > >>December 23, 2004
> > > > > > >> > >>
> > > > > > >> > >>F.D.A. Calls Ads for Cholesterol Pill Crestor 'False and
> > > > > > >> Misleading'
> > > > > > >> > >>By GARDINER HARRIS
> > > > > > >> > >>
> > > > > > >> > >>WASHINGTON - AstraZeneca's recent full-page newspaper
> > > > > > >> advertisements
> > > > > > >> > >>defending the safety of its cholesterol-lowering pill,
> Crestor,
> > > are
> > > > > > >> > >>"false and misleading," in part because serious concerns
> remain
> > > > > > >> about
> > > > > > >> > >>the safety of the drug, federal drug regulators said
> Wednesday.
> > > > > > >> > >>
> > > > > > >> > >>The advertisements stated that "the F.D.A. has confidence
> in
> > > the
> > > > > > >> > >>safety and efficacy of Crestor" and that the agency "as
> > > recently as
> > > > > > >> > >>last Friday publicly confirmed that Crestor is safe and
> > > effective."
> > > > > > >> > >>Neither is true, said a letter from the Food and Drug
> > > > > > >> Administration
> > > > > > >> > >>to AstraZeneca.
> > > > > > >> > [[ SNIP ]]
> > > > > > >> > >
> > > > > > >> > > Lookee, lookee, the FDA is actually trying to look as if it
> is
> > > > > > >> doing
> > > > > > >> > > something useful now. Too little too late, eh?
> > > > > > >> > >
> > > > > > >> > > TC
> > > > > > >> > >
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> > I'm neither for nor against the FDA, BUT, wasn't it just a
> few
> > > years
> > > > > > >> > ago we were all *****ing that the FDA took TOO long to
> approve
> > > drugs?
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> > Now, we're all *****ing and moaning that they're not during
> their
> > > job
> > > > > > >> and
> > > > > > >> > letting drugs on the market too soon!
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> > /dan
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> Were we? I don't think so. Unless by "we" you are talking about
> the
> > > > > > >> pharma industry.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "We" were. "We" being people who were hearing about treatments
> in
> > > the
> > > > > > > development stages for conditions where there was no treatment
> or no
> > > > > > > relief.
> > > > > > > "We" demanded a shorter process.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You should know by now: The ideal FDA needs to approve all
> effective
> > > safe
> > > > > > drugs overnight, and will catch all harmful and ineffective drugs
> > > > > > immediately.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > And that little nonsense about a process for distinguishing
> between
> > > the
> > > > > two?
> > > > > > The public's not concerned with that.
> > > > >
> > > > > Agreed. There are those who expect perfection from the FDA and all
> > > > > humankind.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Enter Christ Jesus :)
> > >
> > > As a Jew, I find being proselytized offensive. Please do not respond to
> me
> > > again in this manner.
> >
> > Sorry my being openly Christian offends you (please forgive me):
>
> Your being openly Christian is not what I found offensive.

It seems you need to be more truthful with yourself.

Again, sorry my being openly Christian offends you (shrug):

http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A


May God bless those who read the following:

http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A


Also, may what I have written continue to enlighten you and others.

Such is the work being done here for Christ's glory
(http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A).


Servant to the humblest person in the universe,

Andrew

--
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist
http://www.heartmdphd.com/

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"Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:1103903187.a226f7d4a9c3961838b1b553ac8277da@teranews...
> Mark Probert wrote:
> >
> > "Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:1103897365.0f112decc921452c0d3cbdc981caa9c8@teranews...
> > > Mark Probert wrote:
> > > >
> > > > "Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email protected]> wrote in
message
> > > > news:1103844990.0d561ce0ae5b1a91963b26e207c39021@teranews...
> > > > > Mark Probert wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "James Stein" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:[email protected]...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "Mark Probert" <Mark [email protected]> wrote in
message
> > > > > > > news:[email protected]...
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > "TC" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > > > > > >
news:[email protected]...
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> Daniel Ganek wrote:
> > > > > > > >> > TC wrote:
> > > > > > > >> > > RobJ wrote:
> > > > > > > >> > >
> > > > > > > >> > >>New York Times
> > > > > > > >> > >>December 23, 2004
> > > > > > > >> > >>
> > > > > > > >> > >>F.D.A. Calls Ads for Cholesterol Pill Crestor 'False
and
> > > > > > > >> Misleading'
> > > > > > > >> > >>By GARDINER HARRIS
> > > > > > > >> > >>
> > > > > > > >> > >>WASHINGTON - AstraZeneca's recent full-page newspaper
> > > > > > > >> advertisements
> > > > > > > >> > >>defending the safety of its cholesterol-lowering pill,
> > Crestor,
> > > > are
> > > > > > > >> > >>"false and misleading," in part because serious
concerns
> > remain
> > > > > > > >> about
> > > > > > > >> > >>the safety of the drug, federal drug regulators said
> > Wednesday.
> > > > > > > >> > >>
> > > > > > > >> > >>The advertisements stated that "the F.D.A. has
confidence
> > in
> > > > the
> > > > > > > >> > >>safety and efficacy of Crestor" and that the agency "as
> > > > recently as
> > > > > > > >> > >>last Friday publicly confirmed that Crestor is safe and
> > > > effective."
> > > > > > > >> > >>Neither is true, said a letter from the Food and Drug
> > > > > > > >> Administration
> > > > > > > >> > >>to AstraZeneca.
> > > > > > > >> > [[ SNIP ]]
> > > > > > > >> > >
> > > > > > > >> > > Lookee, lookee, the FDA is actually trying to look as
if it
> > is
> > > > > > > >> doing
> > > > > > > >> > > something useful now. Too little too late, eh?
> > > > > > > >> > >
> > > > > > > >> > > TC
> > > > > > > >> > >
> > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > >> > I'm neither for nor against the FDA, BUT, wasn't it just
a
> > few
> > > > years
> > > > > > > >> > ago we were all *****ing that the FDA took TOO long to
> > approve
> > > > drugs?
> > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > >> > Now, we're all *****ing and moaning that they're not
during
> > their
> > > > job
> > > > > > > >> and
> > > > > > > >> > letting drugs on the market too soon!
> > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > >> > /dan
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> Were we? I don't think so. Unless by "we" you are talking
about
> > the
> > > > > > > >> pharma industry.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > "We" were. "We" being people who were hearing about
treatments
> > in
> > > > the
> > > > > > > > development stages for conditions where there was no
treatment
> > or no
> > > > > > > > relief.
> > > > > > > > "We" demanded a shorter process.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > You should know by now: The ideal FDA needs to approve all
> > effective
> > > > safe
> > > > > > > drugs overnight, and will catch all harmful and ineffective
drugs
> > > > > > > immediately.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > And that little nonsense about a process for distinguishing
> > between
> > > > the
> > > > > > two?
> > > > > > > The public's not concerned with that.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Agreed. There are those who expect perfection from the FDA and
all
> > > > > > humankind.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Enter Christ Jesus :)
> > > >
> > > > As a Jew, I find being proselytized offensive. Please do not respond
to
> > me
> > > > again in this manner.
> > >
> > > Sorry my being openly Christian offends you (please forgive me):
> >
> > Your being openly Christian is not what I found offensive.
>
> It seems you need to be more truthful with yourself.
>
> Again, sorry my being openly Christian offends you (shrug):

My neighbors are openly Christian.

My friends are openly Christian.

None of them shoves their religion in my face.

None of them would behave as you do.
 
"Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:1103903176.88432d3a90797afc2dfc11f69c2e54df@teranews...
> Mark Probert wrote:
> >
> > "Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:1103897362.87def0005d653abc9d0384dff3bf770b@teranews...
> > > Mark Probert wrote:
> > > >
> > > > "Ilena Rose" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > > news:[email protected]...
> > > > > On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 17:09:55 -0500, "Mark Probert" <Mark
> > > > > [email protected]> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Agreed. There are those who expect perfection from the FDA and
all
> > > > > >humankind.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > There is a HUMONGOUS continuum between "perfection" and the
> > > > > performance of the FDA, Mark.
> > > >
> > > > Not nearly as large as the gap between rationality and Ilena
Rosenthal.
> > > >
> > > > Not nearly as large as the gap between sanity and Ilena Rosenthal.
> > > >
> > > > Not nearly as large as the gap between logic and Ilena Rosenthal.
> > > >
> > > > Not nearly as large as the gap between consistency and Ilena
Rosenthal.
> > > >
> > > > Not nearly as large as the gap between non-hypocrisy and Ilena
> > Rosenthal.
> > > >
> > > > When taken together, those gaps span such a void that even the
Hubble
> > Space
> > > > Telescope would be strained to see from one end to the other.
> > > >
> > > > And, no, I am not defending the FDA. They are beginning to wake up
to
> > the
> > > > problem. You, however, are in a multiple millennium long stupor and
will
> > > > never wake up to your problems.
> > >
> > > There is so much hatred in you.
> >
> > Wrong.
>
> It certainly is not love.

It isd a form of pity. However, I refuse to be her victim.

> > Ms. Rosenthal believes that it is acceptable behavior to write to my
> > wife in a feeble and pathetic attempt to stifle my free speech.
>
> It is ironic that you feel there are others trying to stifle your free
> speech.

There is no irony. I *requested* that you do not proslytize to me. I did
nothing to stop you. I again *request* that you cease.

> > Now, do not respond to my posts, if you are going to tack on your
screed.
>
> Again, the irony.

Like I said, no irony. Just your inability to recognize another's point of
view.
 
"Mark Probert" <Mark [email protected]> wrote in
news:eek:[email protected]:

>
> "Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:1103903176.88432d3a90797afc2dfc11f69c2e54df@teranews...
>> Mark Probert wrote:
>> >
>> > "Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email protected]> wrote in
>> > message
>> > news:1103897362.87def0005d653abc9d0384dff3bf770b@teranews...
>> > > Mark Probert wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > "Ilena Rose" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> > > > news:[email protected]...
>> > > > > On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 17:09:55 -0500, "Mark Probert" <Mark
>> > > > > [email protected]> wrote:
>> > > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >Agreed. There are those who expect perfection from the FDA
>> > > > > >and
> all
>> > > > > >humankind.
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > There is a HUMONGOUS continuum between "perfection" and the
>> > > > > performance of the FDA, Mark.
>> > > >
>> > > > Not nearly as large as the gap between rationality and Ilena
> Rosenthal.
>> > > >
>> > > > Not nearly as large as the gap between sanity and Ilena
>> > > > Rosenthal.
>> > > >
>> > > > Not nearly as large as the gap between logic and Ilena
>> > > > Rosenthal.
>> > > >
>> > > > Not nearly as large as the gap between consistency and Ilena
> Rosenthal.
>> > > >
>> > > > Not nearly as large as the gap between non-hypocrisy and Ilena
>> > Rosenthal.
>> > > >
>> > > > When taken together, those gaps span such a void that even the
> Hubble
>> > Space
>> > > > Telescope would be strained to see from one end to the other.
>> > > >
>> > > > And, no, I am not defending the FDA. They are beginning to wake
>> > > > up
> to
>> > the
>> > > > problem. You, however, are in a multiple millennium long stupor
>> > > > and
> will
>> > > > never wake up to your problems.
>> > >
>> > > There is so much hatred in you.
>> >
>> > Wrong.
>>
>> It certainly is not love.
>
> It isd a form of pity. However, I refuse to be her victim.
>
>> > Ms. Rosenthal believes that it is acceptable behavior to write to
>> > my wife in a feeble and pathetic attempt to stifle my free speech.
>>
>> It is ironic that you feel there are others trying to stifle your
>> free speech.
>
> There is no irony. I *requested* that you do not proslytize to me. I
> did nothing to stop you. I again *request* that you cease.
>
>> > Now, do not respond to my posts, if you are going to tack on your
> screed.
>>
>> Again, the irony.
>
> Like I said, no irony. Just your inability to recognize another's
> point of view.
>
>
>
>

You are wasting your words and time. "Dr." Chung is mentally unbalanced
and no amount of asking, pleading or cajoling will get him to stop.

L.
 
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