Mike Vandeman <
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news:
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> On 12 Apr 2007 11:51:21 GMT, Chris <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote in
>>news:[email protected]:
>>
>>> On 09 Apr 2007 16:13:34 GMT, Chris <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote in
>>>>news:[email protected]:
>>>>
>>>>> On 05 Apr 2007 12:57:39 GMT, Chris <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote in
>>>>>>news:[email protected]:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 3 Apr 2007 12:17:44 -0700, "Jimbo" <[email protected]>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Geesh - a little one-sided don't you think - I'm sure you'll
>>>>>>>>have great success convincing people of your way - unless of
>>>>>>>>course you get a bunch of idiots on your side - any intelligent
>>>>>>>>person can see through and realize that all the negs can be
>>>>>>>>reversed - dumbass!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Typical mountain biker. NOT ONE specific, because then you could
>>>>>>> easily be refuted.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Mike, here is the situation as I see it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>1) I ride a mountain bike for fun and exercise, I ride a road
>>>>>>bike for fun and exercise, and I ride my commuter bike for
>>>>>>transportation and exercise. All these activities are safe
>>>>>
>>>>> A lie.
>>>>
>>>>Please be more specific, What is a lie??
>>>
>>> "All these activities are safe."
>>
>>Shades of grey. Are you suggesting that if an activity is deemed
>>'unsafe' by the great Mike Vandeman, we should all stop?
>
> Yes, and stop lying. You might actually get some respect.
>
Here is the original statement:
1) I ride a mountain bike for fun and exercise, I ride a road bike for
fun and exercise, and I ride my commuter bike for transportation and
exercise. All these activities are safe and legal
No lies! Simply my opinion. You have an opinion that differs from
mine. Doesn't make it a lie.
To be honest, what the hell do you care, if I get hurt, you will just
cut and paste the article here to add more credence to your very weak
argument.
Maybe if you stop exaggerating, you would get more respect.
>>>>>> and legal.
>>>>>
>>>>> Totally irrelevant
>>>>
>>>>The fact that I ride a road bike in not irrelevent to me. Can you
>>>>please be more specific?? What is irrelevent??
>>>>
>>
>>
>>Response??
>>
Still no response? You made a comment, please back it up. Maybe if you
stop exaggerating, you would get more respect.
>>>>>
>>>>>>2) I ride my mountain bike where it is safe and legal (for
>>>>>>example Left Hand Canyon, Hall Ranch); I do not ride it where it
>>>>>>is prohibited (for example Rocky Mountain National Park (RMNP)).
>>>>>>
>>>>>>3) I am a hiker and a backpacker. I pack in RMNP several
>>>>>>times a year. I have never seen a mountain biker in RMNP. I do
>>>>>>see huge ruts where the hiking trails are. I also see where
>>>>>>'social trails' are forming where hikers are avoiding the ruts.
>>>>>
>>>>> Irrelevant.
>>>>
>>>>Hikers are forming the socail trails. What is irrelevant about
>>>>that??
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>Hikers are causing the damage. Shouldn't you be attempting (yet
>>failing) to curb thier passion also??
>>
Still no response? You made a comment, please back it up. Maybe if you
stop exaggerating, you would get more respect.
>>>>>
>>>>>>4) I have hiked and ridden my mountain bike on mixed use
>>>>>>trails (hikers, people riding mountain bikes and equestrians) and
>>>>>>have never seen an issue/altercation/problem between groups. I
>>>>>>have actually seen the opposite, where one group helped the other
>>>>>>with directions and/or helpful information.
>>>>>
>>>>> In places where there a lot of mountain bikers, the hikers and
>>>>> equestrians who don't like it are forced to abandon the trails.
>>>>> Hence, you don't see them. Not that you would report it honestly,
>>>>> if you did see a problem.
>>>>
>>>>I was hiking at the time. The horses bother me MUCH more than the
>>>>mountain biker. When I am packing thru an area and you come up on a
>>>>bunch of equestrians who are absolutely destroying the trail because
>>>>it is wet, it is difficult to keep your cool. And horses are so
>>>>amazingly stupid; you have no idea what they will do next
>>>>
Still no response? You made a comment, please back it up. Maybe if you
stop exaggerating, you would get more respect.
>>>>>
>>>>>>5) I have never accidentally killed an animal while riding my
>>>>>>mountain bike.
>>>>>
>>>>> You have no way of knowing.
>>>>
>>>>I have a very good idea what I am rolling over. and I repeat: I
>>>>have never accidentally killed an animal while riding my mountain
>>>>bike
Still no response? You made a comment, please back it up. Maybe if you
stop exaggerating, you would get more respect.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have witnessed mule deer watch me as I ride by. They
>>>>>>hardly even stopped eating while we rode by.
>>>>>
>>>>> Mule deer are notorious for not caring. Irrelevant. Elk and
>>>>> bighorn sheep, on the other hand, run away. If you knew the
>>>>> research, you would know that.
>>>>
>>>>Are you talking about the Elk in RMNP that the toutist hand feed??
>>>>They are the ones that ruin away. LOL Stop reading white papers
>>>>and so called research, and go look for your self like we all do
>>>>every day
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>6) Do you honestly think you have convinced even one person
>>>>>>who rides a mountain bike to quit?
>>>>>
>>>>> Of course not. Mountain bikers have no interest in the truth. And
>>>>> if they did change their habits, they wouldn't have the guts to
>>>>> admit it. Their friends would klil them.
>>>>
>>>>I am only interested in the truth, the real truth, not some very
>>>>narrow version that you percieve as the truth. LOL My friend
>>>>would kill me ?? LOL That is too funny
Still no response? You made a comment, please back it up. Maybe if you
stop exaggerating, you would get more respect.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> If not, you are wasting your time.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>To sum it up, every argument you have to stop riding a mountain
>>>>>>bike is false, it is completely legal (In most places) and you are
>>>>>>powerless to stop it. Stop wasting you time and go work on
>>>>>>something you can have a real impact on.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Chris
>>>>>
>>>>> Considering how many trails are off-limits to bikes, I have
>>>>> already had an impact.
>>>>
>>>>You are taking full responsibility for getting those trails closed??
>>>> Mountain biking in RMNP has been closed for over 15 years, do
>>>>assume credit for that??
>>
>>
>>Response ??
Still no response? You made a comment, please back it up. Maybe if you
stop exaggerating, you would get more respect.
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