Re: Ginseng as nutrition

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Subject: Re: Ginseng as nutrition
From: "Dave" [email hidden]
Date: 10/8/2003 12:46 PM Pacific Daylight Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

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Adaptogens are an especially interesting
group of substances. When used, they are able to regulate in opposing ways
to achieve a norm. They are credited with raising or lowering, increasing or
decreasing things like blood pressure,

it is a word made up by cretins like you Davey

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here is a
scientific rationale behind it.

and that is??

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For example if an adaptagen is taken to normalize blood sugar, it
should increase the blood sugar level if it is low, and decrease the blood
sugar level if it is high, or bring it back into balance. So if the blood
sugar level is normal, a true adaptagen should not change it. 3) must be

total nonsensical non physiologic garbage

hawki

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Quoted message said:

Subject: Re: Ginseng as nutrition
From: "Dave" [email hidden]
Date: 10/8/2003 12:46 PM Pacific Daylight Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Adaptogens are an especially interesting
group of substances. When used, they are able to regulate in opposing

ways

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Quoted message said:

to achieve a norm. They are credited with raising or lowering, increasing

or

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

decreasing things like blood pressure,

it is a word made up by cretins like you Davey

Quoted message said:

here is a
scientific rationale behind it.

and that is??

Quoted message said:

For example if an adaptagen is taken to normalize blood sugar, it
should increase the blood sugar level if it is low, and decrease the

blood

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sugar level if it is high, or bring it back into balance. So if the blood
sugar level is normal, a true adaptagen should not change it. 3) must be

total nonsensical non physiologic garbage

I always enjoy your views. LOL

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"Dave" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Ginseng is considered an ADAPTOGEN. Adaptogens are an especially

interesting

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group of substances. When used, they are able to regulate in opposing ways
to achieve a norm. They are credited with raising or lowering, increasing

or

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decreasing things like blood pressure, blood sugar, etc on an as needed
basis. While it may sound a bit "pie in the sky" to some readers, there is

a

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scientific rationale behind it.

No there is not "a scientific rationale behind it." And you, Dave, have
proven yourself illiterate in science and the rules of rational thought.

< remainder of pseudoscientific drivel

which was stolen from here:

http://www.dreamwater.com/ginseng/adapt.html

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Let us consider American ginseng specifically. It contains a variety of
ginsenosides. Individual of the 29 known ginsenosides it contains have

been

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found in some studies to increase blood pressure. Another of the 29 has

been

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found to decrease blood pressure. One of its ginsenosides has been found

to

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have an energizing effect while yet another has a calming effect. It is
theorized that the body selects the ginsenoside which is needed and the

net

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effect is desirable.

By definition, an adaptogen is an herb that 1) must show a non-specific
effect (raising the power of resistance to toxins of a physical, chemical

or

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biological nature) 2) normalizes, independent of the type of pathological
condition. For example if an adaptagen is taken to normalize blood sugar,

it

Quoted message said:

should increase the blood sugar level if it is low, and decrease the blood
sugar level if it is high, or bring it back into balance. So if the blood
sugar level is normal, a true adaptagen should not change it. 3) must be
harmless and disturb the body functions as little as possible.

Accordingly,

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adaptogens are to strengthen the non-specific powers of resistance to
non-infectious stresses, raise the general performance capacity during
stress situations and thereby prevent diseases that could develop due to
over-stressing the organism. Below is a list of some of the herbs

classified

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as ADAPTOGENS

Ginseng
Fo-Ti - Ho Shou Wu (polygonum multiflorum)
Codonopsis Pilosula - Dang shen
Astralagus - Huang chi Chinese Milk Vetch
Schisandra chinesis - Wu wei zi
Ashwaganda - Withania somnifira
Reishi mushrooms - Ling zhi
Poria Cocos - Fu Ling Virginia truffle
Gotu Kola
Euccomia Ulmoides
Lycii berries
Agelica sinesis - Dong Quai
Holy Basil
Devil's Bush - Eleutherococcus senticosus

In article <[email hidden]>,

Dave said:

Ginseng is considered an ADAPTOGEN. Adaptogens are an especially interesting
group of substances.

Actually, adaptogens are a nonexistent group of substances. "Adaptogen"
is a word made up by alties to impress the rubes.

Quoted message said:

When used, they are able to regulate in opposing ways
to achieve a norm. They are credited with raising or lowering, increasing or
decreasing things like blood pressure, blood sugar, etc on an as needed
basis. While it may sound a bit "pie in the sky" to some readers, there is a
scientific rationale behind it.

No there isn't. If there is, you certainly have never articulated it.

Quoted message said:

Let us consider American ginseng specifically. It contains a variety of
ginsenosides. Individual of the 29 known ginsenosides it contains have been
found in some studies to increase blood pressure. Another of the 29 has been
found to decrease blood pressure. One of its ginsenosides has been found to
have an energizing effect while yet another has a calming effect. It is
theorized that the body selects the ginsenoside which is needed and the net
effect is desirable.

Cite the scientific studies.

Quoted message said:

By definition, an adaptogen is an herb that 1) must show a non-specific
effect (raising the power of resistance to toxins of a physical, chemical or
biological nature) 2) normalizes, independent of the type of pathological
condition. For example if an adaptagen is taken to normalize blood sugar, it
should increase the blood sugar level if it is low, and decrease the blood
sugar level if it is high, or bring it back into balance. So if the blood
sugar level is normal, a true adaptagen should not change it. 3) must be
harmless and disturb the body functions as little as possible. Accordingly,
adaptogens are to strengthen the non-specific powers of resistance to
non-infectious stresses, raise the general performance capacity during
stress situations and thereby prevent diseases that could develop due to
over-stressing the organism. Below is a list of some of the herbs classified
as ADAPTOGENS

This is total rubbish, with no physiological or biological basis, and no
evidence to support it.
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