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  1. A difference of opinion, but saying something is a "waste" is certainly not
    neutral on the issue.

    Even with a coach, the athlete still has to do the work. I have coached
    runners for a while now and created training plans that should work but if
    the athlete does not do the workouts, he/she will not see results. The
    information on forums and books are fine in some cases, but also not
    specific enough for an individual and too random. A snip it here a snip it
    there.

    I firmly believe that most people will improve with a coach since I believe
    most people train in a very haphazard method. I feel good today, I'll go
    long or hard.

    Drugs are completely different issue.
    "IMKen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    True, it's just that i get satisfaction from racing my own race and not
    someone else's. Finding my limits is half the fun. I believe that to be


    a

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    serious competitor you need to know your limits. When you are standing on
    the podium you know that you did your best and not the best of some coach.
    Considerable information is available in these forums and elsewhere for
    those starting out. I'm not telling anyone not to get a coach, just


    saying

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    that I think it is sort of a waste, sort of like taking performance
    enhancing drugs by not doing the work yourself, :-).

    Ken

    "Sam" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    A coach is for anyone who wants to improve. Some people do not want to


    take

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    the time necessary to figure out what they should be doing in training


    and

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    hiring a coach can simplify this process. A coach can speed the


    learning

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    curve and provide objective feedback. Coaches are not just for pros or


    age

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    group winners.

    "IMKen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    I don't agree with Sam on the coach. I do agree that you should not


    lock

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    yourself into the figures from a book. Training at 50 to 60% is


    pretty

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    much a waste of time. Sam and I agree on that. It might be suitable


    for

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    a

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    recovering invalid but not a serious triathlete.

    Stick to work-outs above 70% for the easy days and hit the high


    numbers

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    on

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    your short intense days . Coaches are for Pros and possibly those


    wanting

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    to be age group winners. Go have fun with a group and experiment.


    It's

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    fun and satisfying to do what is inside you. Train to a book and you


    are

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    just a reprint.

    Ken

    "Garett Bugda" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    > Hello
    > I am a fairly new triathlete. I did one last season and looking to


    do

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    three
    > this season.
    >
    > I am trying to figure out how to maximize my heart rate readings. I


    would

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    > love some help here.
    >
    > For example. I was following Eric Haar's book and it says to run for


    30

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    > minutes at a HR of 50-60%
    > I am 33 years old. So this should be about 92-114 or so. But as


    soon

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    as

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    I

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    > start running at a comfortable
    > pace..I am already up in the 130-140 range. 160 if I am running at a
    strong
    > pace.
    >
    > I am trying to make the most of my training,but need some help
    understanding
    > my readings.
    >
    > Also trying to figure out where to keep my HR to get the most during


    the

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    > event.
    >
    > thanks for help.
    > Garett
    >
    >

  2. Sam, you are correct, I am not neutral and I believe my position was clear
    on that. Others have their ideas and are free to pursue them. I only
    stated my ideas and reasons behind them. Just because one has a coach
    does not insure that he will reach his potential. The ability of a coach to
    communicate perfection has many variables. There are great coaches and
    there are some that can do harm to ones potential just as one can make his
    own mistakes. Coaching is fun, I have done a bit myself and enjoy it. I
    like to give options to competitive people and let them sort out what really
    allows them to reach maximum potential. I am still not an advocate that
    everyone should have a coach or needs one. Folks that are into the sport
    for the enjoyment without desires or expectations of winning really don't
    need professional coaching.

    Good Idea, I feel good today so I think I will really go long and hard.
    Great summer weather here and the surf is up on the North Shore which makes
    for a very motivating ride.

    Have a nice day and keep up the good posting.

    Ken

    "Sam" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    A difference of opinion, but saying something is a "waste" is certainly


    not

    Quoted message said:

    neutral on the issue.

    Even with a coach, the athlete still has to do the work. I have coached
    runners for a while now and created training plans that should work but if
    the athlete does not do the workouts, he/she will not see results. The
    information on forums and books are fine in some cases, but also not
    specific enough for an individual and too random. A snip it here a snip


    it

    Quoted message said:

    there.

    I firmly believe that most people will improve with a coach since I


    believe

    Quoted message said:

    most people train in a very haphazard method. I feel good today, I'll go
    long or hard.

    Drugs are completely different issue.
    "IMKen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    True, it's just that i get satisfaction from racing my own race and not
    someone else's. Finding my limits is half the fun. I believe that to


    be

    Quoted message said:

    a

    Quoted message said:

    serious competitor you need to know your limits. When you are standing


    on

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    the podium you know that you did your best and not the best of some


    coach.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Considerable information is available in these forums and elsewhere for
    those starting out. I'm not telling anyone not to get a coach, just


    saying

    Quoted message said:

    that I think it is sort of a waste, sort of like taking performance
    enhancing drugs by not doing the work yourself, :-).

    Ken

    "Sam" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    A coach is for anyone who wants to improve. Some people do not want


    to

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    take

    Quoted message said:

    the time necessary to figure out what they should be doing in training


    and

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    hiring a coach can simplify this process. A coach can speed the


    learning

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    curve and provide objective feedback. Coaches are not just for pros


    or

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    age

    Quoted message said:

    group winners.

    "IMKen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...
    > I don't agree with Sam on the coach. I do agree that you should not


    lock

    Quoted message said:

    > yourself into the figures from a book. Training at 50 to 60% is


    pretty

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > much a waste of time. Sam and I agree on that. It might be


    suitable

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    for

    Quoted message said:

    a
    > recovering invalid but not a serious triathlete.
    >
    > Stick to work-outs above 70% for the easy days and hit the high


    numbers

    Quoted message said:

    on

    Quoted message said:

    > your short intense days . Coaches are for Pros and possibly those


    wanting

    Quoted message said:

    > to be age group winners. Go have fun with a group and experiment.


    It's

    Quoted message said:

    > fun and satisfying to do what is inside you. Train to a book and


    you

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    are

    Quoted message said:

    > just a reprint.
    >
    > Ken
    >
    >
    >
    > "Garett Bugda" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    > news:[email hidden]...
    > > Hello
    > > I am a fairly new triathlete. I did one last season and looking to


    do

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > three
    > > this season.
    > >
    > > I am trying to figure out how to maximize my heart rate readings.


    I

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    would
    > > love some help here.
    > >
    > > For example. I was following Eric Haar's book and it says to run


    for

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    30

    Quoted message said:

    > > minutes at a HR of 50-60%
    > > I am 33 years old. So this should be about 92-114 or so. But as


    soon

    Quoted message said:

    as

    Quoted message said:

    I
    > > start running at a comfortable
    > > pace..I am already up in the 130-140 range. 160 if I am running at


    a

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > strong
    > > pace.
    > >
    > > I am trying to make the most of my training,but need some help
    > understanding
    > > my readings.
    > >
    > > Also trying to figure out where to keep my HR to get the most


    during

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    the

    Quoted message said:

    > > event.
    > >
    > > thanks for help.
    > > Garett
    > >
    > >
    >
    >

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