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Re: Heart Rate Zones Advice Please.

Ignoramus1467 · 2003-08-26T14:54:39+00:00

I would also ignore her advice and suggest that unless you are very well trained, do not strain your heart and do not be very short of breath. Running fast uphill is OUT until you really know what you are doing. Jogging for 30-60 minutes is much safer. 40 minutes of slow running is better than wrecking yourself doing high intensity something. i On Mon, 25 Aug 2003 20:02:26 -0400, "jayjay" anarobic workouts (weight lifting) will burn more calories in the long run, as they strain the muscles, cause muscle growth, and muscle burns calories (fat does not - well, only miniscule amounts). Cardio (aerobic) only burns calires while your working out, not all day long (weight lifting burns calories all day long). What? your best bet is weights and Interval training. Interval training - getting your heart rate up as high as you can High as you can? Max out your heart rate? What? for short bursts and then brings your heart rate back down to a more controllable pace. What's "controllable" as a % of max? Best explaination is take someone who isn't a runner normally. They go for a walk, spend 5 mins warming up and walking at a moderate pace and increasing the pace to a quick, brisk pace. Then when they are good and warmed up break into a jog for 5 mins, then return to a brisk walk for 2, then jog for 5 and walk for 2. Where is that maxed out heart rate here? Do this for 30 mins (5 min warmup, 3 jogs and 2 walks and a cool down) at least 3 times a week and you'll show faster and more fat burning than if you just exercised in the "optimal heart rate zone" for 1 hr at a time, 3 times a week. This is a pseudo attempt to describe a HIIT program. The effects of HIIT vs endurance can be minuscule. Interval training is currently the standard for getting a good cardio workout. No it is not. If there is a standard, it is the 30-40 minute brisk paced walk. Please take note that you will receive conflicting advice as everyone follows different feathers. You may receive conflicting advice but if you want excellent advice, I would first ignore yours.

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Ignoramus1467
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26 August 2003, 14:54 UTC #1

I would also ignore her advice and suggest that unless you are very
well trained, do not strain your heart and do not be very short of
breath.
Running fast uphill is OUT until you really know what you are doing.
Jogging for 30-60 minutes is much safer.
40 minutes of slow running is better than wrecking yourself doing high
intensity something.
i
In article said:
On Mon, 25 Aug 2003 20:02:26 -0400, "jayjay" <[email hidden]>
Quoted message said:
anarobic workouts (weight lifting) will burn more calories in the long run,
as they strain the muscles, cause muscle growth, and muscle burns calories
(fat does not - well, only miniscule amounts). Cardio (aerobic) only burns
calires while your working out, not all day long (weight lifting burns
calories all day long).
What?
Quoted message said:
your best bet is weights and Interval training. Interval training - getting
your heart rate up as high as you can
High as you can? Max out your heart rate? What?
Quoted message said:
for short bursts and then brings your
heart rate back down to a more controllable pace.
What's "controllable" as a % of max?
Quoted message said:
Best explaination is take
someone who isn't a runner normally. They go for a walk, spend 5 mins
warming up and walking at a moderate pace and increasing the pace to a
quick, brisk pace. Then when they are good and warmed up break into a jog
for 5 mins, then return to a brisk walk for 2, then jog for 5 and walk for
2.
Where is that maxed out heart rate here?
Quoted message said:
Do this for 30 mins (5 min warmup, 3 jogs and 2 walks and a cool down)
at least 3 times a week and you'll show faster and more fat burning than if
you just exercised in the "optimal heart rate zone" for 1 hr at a time, 3
times a week.
This is a pseudo attempt to describe a HIIT program. The effects of
HIIT vs endurance can be minuscule.
Quoted message said:
Interval training is currently the standard for getting a good cardio
workout.
No it is not. If there is a standard, it is the 30-40 minute brisk
paced walk.
Quoted message said:
Please take note that you will receive conflicting advice as everyone
follows different feathers.
You may receive conflicting advice but if you want excellent advice, I
would first ignore yours.

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Ignoramus1467
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26 August 2003, 15:36 UTC #2

In article said:
Ignoramus1467 said:
I would also ignore her advice and suggest that unless you are very
well trained, do not strain your heart and do not be very short of
breath.
Running fast uphill is OUT until you really know what you are doing.
Jogging for 30-60 minutes is much safer.
Where did I say for him to go running as fast as he can up a hill?
Once again, you live up to your screen name.
from http://www.stumptuous.com/fartlek.html
``Originally, as I said, fartlek was developed for runners. However,
the principle of fartlek can be applied to a variety of chosen
activities. Since with my crunchy knees I don't run unless a person
with an axe is chasing me, I have to find other options. One of them
is stair climbing. I have a long stone staircase near my house, and I
just run up and down it, so that high intensity (up) is alternated
with lower intensity (down). Simple, but a very effective use of 20
minutes. If you live in an apartment building and don't feel like
going to the gym one day, just take on the stairs in your building.''
that is equivalent to running fast uphill and can easily kill an
untrained person.
I know exactly what is running upstairs. I used to do it with a 12
story building situated next to where I lived.
The intensity of this is absolutely unbelievable and I remember that
it got my pulse to 190-200 or even higher. It then produced a great
feeling for the day, but it is not for everyone.
Some advice that I read about this high intensity training is not
suitable for anyone but the most advanced runners.
My suggestion to beginning dieters/trainees is that you should get
comfortable with relatively slow running.
i
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Jayjay
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26 August 2003, 16:27 UTC #3

Ignoramus1467 said:

that is equivalent to running fast uphill and can easily kill an
untrained person.
I know exactly what is running upstairs. I used to do it with a 12
story building situated next to where I lived.
The intensity of this is absolutely unbelievable and I remember that
it got my pulse to 190-200 or even higher. It then produced a great
feeling for the day, but it is not for everyone.
Some advice that I read about this high intensity training is not
suitable for anyone but the most advanced runners.
My suggestion to beginning dieters/trainees is that you should get
comfortable with relatively slow running.
You neglected to read the rest of the aricle and programs. Many
interval training programs start at a "beginner" level. That could
easily be alternating between walking and walking faster.
When I started I couldn't run more than .1 mile without having to
return to a walking pace.
Ya know ignoranus, you should take your blinders off for a little
while and look around at the alternatives out there. Your way is not
the ONLY way. Mine is not either - which is why YMMV is used so
often in here. You only can enrich yourself further if you take the
blinders off and look/listen to what others have to say.

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Carol Frilegh
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26 August 2003, 18:43 UTC #4

In article <[email hidden]>, Jayjay
Quoted message said:
Ignoramus1467 said:

that is equivalent to running fast uphill and can easily kill an
untrained person.
I know exactly what is running upstairs. I used to do it with a 12
story building situated next to where I lived.
The intensity of this is absolutely unbelievable and I remember that
it got my pulse to 190-200 or even higher. It then produced a great
feeling for the day, but it is not for everyone.
Some advice that I read about this high intensity training is not
suitable for anyone but the most advanced runners.
My suggestion to beginning dieters/trainees is that you should get
comfortable with relatively slow running.
You neglected to read the rest of the aricle and programs. Many
interval training programs start at a "beginner" level. That could
easily be alternating between walking and walking faster.
When I started I couldn't run more than .1 mile without having to
return to a walking pace.
Ya know ignoranus, you should take your blinders off for a little
while and look around at the alternatives out there. Your way is not
the ONLY way. Mine is not either - which is why YMMV is used so
often in here. You only can enrich yourself further if you take the
blinders off and look/listen to what others have to say.
In the immortal words of R& P
"Amen sister"!

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Don Kirkman
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27 August 2003, 00:17 UTC #5

It seems to me I heard somewhere that Ignoramus1467 wrote in article
<[email hidden]>:
Quoted message said:
In article <[email hidden]>, Jayjay wrote:
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
On 26 Aug 2003 14:54:39 GMT, Ignoramus1467
<[email hidden]> wrote:
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
I would also ignore her advice and suggest that unless you are very
well trained, do not strain your heart and do not be very short of
breath.
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
Running fast uphill is OUT until you really know what you are doing.
Jogging for 30-60 minutes is much safer.
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
Where did I say for him to go running as fast as he can up a hill?
Once again, you live up to your screen name.
Quoted message said:
from http://www.stumptuous.com/fartlek.html
Quoted message said:
``Originally, as I said, fartlek was developed for runners. However,
the principle of fartlek can be applied to a variety of chosen
activities. Since with my crunchy knees I don't run unless a person
with an axe is chasing me, I have to find other options. One of them
is stair climbing. I have a long stone staircase near my house, and I
just run up and down it, so that high intensity (up) is alternated
with lower intensity (down). Simple, but a very effective use of 20
minutes. If you live in an apartment building and don't feel like
going to the gym one day, just take on the stairs in your building.''
Assuming this is quoted from Jayjay's site:
That isn't fartlek, which is literally "speed play." Fartlek is a
variation on interval training, with both the pace and the distance
being free-style at the runner's whim. I'm not sure how one could apply
that to running up stairs.
Running stairs instead of going to the gym is simple substitution of
routines, not altering the parameters of one's usual routine.
Hills are very hard on some runners' knees and legs.
--
Don
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