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>Subject: Re: Hey Docs! Read the Peer Reviewed Journals instead of playing
>Golf!
>From: "Robert Bronsing" [email protected]
>Date: 8/1/2003 11:47 PM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <[email protected]>
>
>
>"Jan" <[email protected]> schreef in bericht
>news:[email protected]...
>> >Subject: Re: Hey Docs! Read the Peer Reviewed Journals instead of playing
>> >Golf!
>> >From: "Bronsing" [email protected]
>> >Date: 7/31/2003 10:42 PM Pacific Standard Time
>> >Message-id: <[email protected]>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >Jan <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> >news:[email protected]...
>> >> >Subject: Re: Hey Docs! Read the Peer Reviewed Journals instead of
>playing
>> >> >Golf!
>> >> >From: "Bronsing" [email protected]
>> >> >Date: 7/30/2003 10:57 PM Pacific Standard Time
>> >> >Message-id: <[email protected]>
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> Robert, this is getting childish, I think it is time to stop it, so I
>am
>> >> skipping to the only issue, I would like you to explain.
>> >>
>> >> <snip>
>> >>
>> >> > At this point, have you ever heard this expression used by childhood
>> >> >> educators??
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Tell me and I will hear.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Show me and I will see.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Let me experience it, and I will
>> >> KNOW.
>> >>
>> >> >Yes, I have. And I disagree.
>> >>
>> >> There are a number of things I could say, but I will refrain.
>> >>
>> >> What is this disagreement based on. Please explain.
>> >>
>> >
>> >People are very bad observers. This is a fact of life that one should
>take
>> >into account when assessing the value of their own experiences. Often
>what
>> >you think to be the truth, based on experience, is not at all what is
>going
>> >on. For example, in the courts many eye-witnesses didn't see what they'll
>> >report to have seen. This doesn't mean that they perjure themselves, but
>> >simply that their experiences are tainted by their believes. The same is
>> >true in everyday life. You'll find that what you may believe to be the
>case,
>> >often isn't when that experience is really put to the test.
>>
>> Thank you for replying. I believe this explanation is bit off topic. I am
>not
>> talking about observing. That would fall into the category of show me and
>I
>> will see.
>
>Experience is about observing. Observing is done in more ways than just
>seeing.
OK.
When I speak of experience, I am referring to this:
Something personally encountered, undergone, or lived through
The conscious events that make up an individual life
I beleive we base most decisions, thoughts and actions from what we have
experienced.
> Basically (before you get to your example) you are saying that people are
>too
>> stupid to understand their own real life experience. In that explanation,
>I see
>> an atheist attitude.
>That's a ******** argument.
But, of course, since atheists *think* they are enlighten and smarter than God.
It's really easy to dismiss any argument
>presented by anyone you may disagree with off hand as "an atheist attitude".
Nope, it comes from experience.
..> With underlying tones, that people who believe in alternative, don't
>really
>> know what is happening, maybe it's all placebo. Which leads us back to
>square
>> one.
>It just happens to be the truth.
Nope, that just happens to be YOUR opinion.
It just happenes to be true that there is a God.
> My guess would also be, theat you have no children.
>
>YABA. and NOYDB
That's exactly what I thought. Most people wouldn't think it was a big deal to
share that they had children. As a matter of fact that's WHERE many of their
experiences come from.
And it appears that even my guess made you angry.
Jan
>Golf!
>From: "Robert Bronsing" [email protected]
>Date: 8/1/2003 11:47 PM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <[email protected]>
>
>
>"Jan" <[email protected]> schreef in bericht
>news:[email protected]...
>> >Subject: Re: Hey Docs! Read the Peer Reviewed Journals instead of playing
>> >Golf!
>> >From: "Bronsing" [email protected]
>> >Date: 7/31/2003 10:42 PM Pacific Standard Time
>> >Message-id: <[email protected]>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >Jan <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> >news:[email protected]...
>> >> >Subject: Re: Hey Docs! Read the Peer Reviewed Journals instead of
>playing
>> >> >Golf!
>> >> >From: "Bronsing" [email protected]
>> >> >Date: 7/30/2003 10:57 PM Pacific Standard Time
>> >> >Message-id: <[email protected]>
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> Robert, this is getting childish, I think it is time to stop it, so I
>am
>> >> skipping to the only issue, I would like you to explain.
>> >>
>> >> <snip>
>> >>
>> >> > At this point, have you ever heard this expression used by childhood
>> >> >> educators??
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Tell me and I will hear.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Show me and I will see.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Let me experience it, and I will
>> >> KNOW.
>> >>
>> >> >Yes, I have. And I disagree.
>> >>
>> >> There are a number of things I could say, but I will refrain.
>> >>
>> >> What is this disagreement based on. Please explain.
>> >>
>> >
>> >People are very bad observers. This is a fact of life that one should
>take
>> >into account when assessing the value of their own experiences. Often
>what
>> >you think to be the truth, based on experience, is not at all what is
>going
>> >on. For example, in the courts many eye-witnesses didn't see what they'll
>> >report to have seen. This doesn't mean that they perjure themselves, but
>> >simply that their experiences are tainted by their believes. The same is
>> >true in everyday life. You'll find that what you may believe to be the
>case,
>> >often isn't when that experience is really put to the test.
>>
>> Thank you for replying. I believe this explanation is bit off topic. I am
>not
>> talking about observing. That would fall into the category of show me and
>I
>> will see.
>
>Experience is about observing. Observing is done in more ways than just
>seeing.
OK.
When I speak of experience, I am referring to this:
Something personally encountered, undergone, or lived through
The conscious events that make up an individual life
I beleive we base most decisions, thoughts and actions from what we have
experienced.
> Basically (before you get to your example) you are saying that people are
>too
>> stupid to understand their own real life experience. In that explanation,
>I see
>> an atheist attitude.
>That's a ******** argument.
But, of course, since atheists *think* they are enlighten and smarter than God.
It's really easy to dismiss any argument
>presented by anyone you may disagree with off hand as "an atheist attitude".
Nope, it comes from experience.
..> With underlying tones, that people who believe in alternative, don't
>really
>> know what is happening, maybe it's all placebo. Which leads us back to
>square
>> one.
>It just happens to be the truth.
Nope, that just happens to be YOUR opinion.
It just happenes to be true that there is a God.
> My guess would also be, theat you have no children.
>
>YABA. and NOYDB
That's exactly what I thought. Most people wouldn't think it was a big deal to
share that they had children. As a matter of fact that's WHERE many of their
experiences come from.
And it appears that even my guess made you angry.
Jan