Re: How do you make atheism as popular as Jesus?- A rally call.

Discussion in 'Food and nutrition' started by Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD, Jan 10, 2006.

  1. Steve O wrote:
    > I have just been watching Richard Dawkins and his program about religion.
    > Dawkins attended a religious meeting presided over by some crazy eyed
    > fundamentalist.
    > There were hundreds of people there, singing , clapping, having a great
    > time.
    > Whilst Richard has his admirers, it's unlikely he could pull a crowd as big
    > as that to listen to him.
    > Now, whilst I believe that Dawkins has far more interesting things to say
    > than the crazy wild eyed fundamentalist who had drawn the big crowd, (and
    > was presumably siphoning off a tidy profit from them) I think it's highly
    > unlikely that Dawkins could have filled that stadium.
    > Which is a damned shame.
    > And it got me thinking.... is the atheism movement doomed in the face of
    > this rising tide of irrationality and religious fervour?
    > Then again , is atheism a movement at all?
    > Is that part of the problem?
    > Because those organised religions appear to have so many attractions,
    > (structure, support, friendship, etc) does that mean that, in the eyes of
    > the herd, it will always have far much more to offer than the alternative?
    > Is that why religion is growing rather than declining?
    > When Dawkins first heard of evolution and understood that there were no Gods
    > he honestly believed that within his own lifetime, he would see religion
    > eradicated or rendered irrelevant.
    > In his own admission, that hasn't happened, nor is it likely to.
    > Why?
    > Simple answer - religion, (for the masses) has far more to offer.
    > Apart from filling people's minds with dangerous nonsense, it also happens
    > to provide a support structure, and well, something to get together with
    > other people and celebrate.
    > That's the problem with atheism - there's nothing to celebrate.
    > Nothing to form a support structure around.
    > ....So how do we change that?
    > Yes, I know Mickey has made a good start by maintaining an atheist list, but
    > is that the best we can do? (no offence intended towards Michelle)
    > I was personally shocked to find when I joined that list that I was only
    > atheist # 2240.
    > Two thousand two hundred and forty - out of a potential list of millions.
    > We are the majority - if you count apathy and disinterest as atheism, so how
    > do we take it further to counterbalance the rising tide of religious
    > fervour, fuelled by these happy, clappy meetings which inspire so much faith
    > in people?
    > Should we start having major meetings and rallies ourselves?
    > Should we fill those rallies with music, singing, and interesting stuff to
    > do?
    > Why should the fundy nuts have all the fun, and the advantage of a community
    > with a vested interest and similar views?
    > In other words, how can we coagulate, and build a wall against this
    > relentless onslaught of blind, ecstatic, whooping and hollering religio -
    > fascists who seem to be taking over the world?
    > Any suggestions would be most welcome.


    Without the LORD, life is meaningless (Book of Ecclesiastes). Sorry to
    break this to you. Please forgive me for my iniquities.

    Would be more than happy to "glow" and chat about this and other things
    like cardiology, diabetes and nutrition that interest those following
    this thread here during the next on-line chat (01/12/06) from 6 to 7 pm
    EST:

    http://tinyurl.com/cpayh

    For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for
    how the LORD has reshaped me:

    http://tinyurl.com/bgfqt

    Prayerfully in Christ's love,

    Andrew
    http://tinyurl.com/b6xwk
     
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  2. > Without the LORD, life is meaningless (Book of Ecclesiastes).



    This is not what I discern.
     
  3. THe Hebrew Hammer wrote:
    > > Without the LORD, life is meaningless (Book of Ecclesiastes).

    >
    > This is not what I discern.


    As if the LORD has given you a discerning heart.

    Would be more than happy to "glow" and chat about this and other things
    like cardiology, diabetes and nutrition that interest those following
    this thread here during the next on-line chat (01/12/06) from 6 to 7 pm
    EST:

    http://tinyurl.com/cpayh

    For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for
    how the LORD has reshaped me:

    http://tinyurl.com/bgfqt

    Prayerfully in Christ's love,

    Andrew
    http://tinyurl.com/b6xwk
     
  4. >As if the LORD has given you a discerning heart.

    AS IF?! Like, omigaw, dude!


    >Would be more than happy to "glow" and chat about this


    This is not what I discern.
     
  5. Steve O

    Steve O Guest

    "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    > Steve O wrote:
    >> I have just been watching Richard Dawkins and his program about religion.
    >> Dawkins attended a religious meeting presided over by some crazy eyed
    >> fundamentalist.
    >> There were hundreds of people there, singing , clapping, having a great
    >> time.
    >> Whilst Richard has his admirers, it's unlikely he could pull a crowd as
    >> big
    >> as that to listen to him.
    >> Now, whilst I believe that Dawkins has far more interesting things to say
    >> than the crazy wild eyed fundamentalist who had drawn the big crowd, (and
    >> was presumably siphoning off a tidy profit from them) I think it's highly
    >> unlikely that Dawkins could have filled that stadium.
    >> Which is a damned shame.
    >> And it got me thinking.... is the atheism movement doomed in the face of
    >> this rising tide of irrationality and religious fervour?
    >> Then again , is atheism a movement at all?
    >> Is that part of the problem?
    >> Because those organised religions appear to have so many attractions,
    >> (structure, support, friendship, etc) does that mean that, in the eyes of
    >> the herd, it will always have far much more to offer than the
    >> alternative?
    >> Is that why religion is growing rather than declining?
    >> When Dawkins first heard of evolution and understood that there were no
    >> Gods
    >> he honestly believed that within his own lifetime, he would see religion
    >> eradicated or rendered irrelevant.
    >> In his own admission, that hasn't happened, nor is it likely to.
    >> Why?
    >> Simple answer - religion, (for the masses) has far more to offer.
    >> Apart from filling people's minds with dangerous nonsense, it also
    >> happens
    >> to provide a support structure, and well, something to get together with
    >> other people and celebrate.
    >> That's the problem with atheism - there's nothing to celebrate.
    >> Nothing to form a support structure around.
    >> ....So how do we change that?
    >> Yes, I know Mickey has made a good start by maintaining an atheist list,
    >> but
    >> is that the best we can do? (no offence intended towards Michelle)
    >> I was personally shocked to find when I joined that list that I was only
    >> atheist # 2240.
    >> Two thousand two hundred and forty - out of a potential list of millions.
    >> We are the majority - if you count apathy and disinterest as atheism, so
    >> how
    >> do we take it further to counterbalance the rising tide of religious
    >> fervour, fuelled by these happy, clappy meetings which inspire so much
    >> faith
    >> in people?
    >> Should we start having major meetings and rallies ourselves?
    >> Should we fill those rallies with music, singing, and interesting stuff
    >> to
    >> do?
    >> Why should the fundy nuts have all the fun, and the advantage of a
    >> community
    >> with a vested interest and similar views?
    >> In other words, how can we coagulate, and build a wall against this
    >> relentless onslaught of blind, ecstatic, whooping and hollering religio -
    >> fascists who seem to be taking over the world?
    >> Any suggestions would be most welcome.

    >
    > Without the LORD, life is meaningless (Book of Ecclesiastes). Sorry to
    > break this to you. Please forgive me for my iniquities.


    No need to apologise at all - you haven't broken anything to me.
    Perhaps what you mean is that before you had a nervous breakdown and "found
    God" - YOUR life was meaningless.
    Fortunately, some of us do not have a meaningless life to start with so we
    don't need to buy into any of that God bullshit.
    You raise a good point - I have always found that religion was the resort of
    the desperate.
    Perhaps that is why its lure is so great.
    We hear time after time from born agains who always seem to have one thing
    in common - a deeply distressing and difficult experience prior to their
    conversion.
    I can't blame them - if I was as despearte as that then the oblivion of
    blind faith might seem tempting.
     
  6. THe Hebrew Hammer wrote:
    > >As if the LORD has given you a discerning heart.

    >
    > AS IF?!


    Yes. Without the LORD, there would be no truth to discern.

    You would have known this had you been given a discerning heart.

    For this you will be in my prayers, dear Jack whom I love, in Jesus'
    most precious and holy name.

    Now, this is about the works of the four riders on horseback from the
    6th chapter of the Book of Revelation (we are now in the 6th year into
    the third millenium after the birth of the Son of Man)

    (1) Crowned rider on a white horse wielding a bow:

    "See you on the other side. It's not bad. We are just going to
    sleep." - missive (ie missile) from one of 12 born-again Christian
    miners who gave up their lives to save the youngest among them after
    being trapped by an explosion in a W.Va mine.

    (2) Rider on a fiery red horse wielding a sword:

    Ariel Sharon, the world's hope for lasting peace in the middle east,
    suffers a massive stroke. Violence and bloodshed in Iraq escalates.
    U.S. now less likely to pull out of Iraq anytime soon.

    (3) Rider on a black horse wielding a set of food scales:

    The rate of increase of the number of people worldwide using the
    2PD-OMER Approach (which advocates the use of food scales) accelerates
    with growing worldwide concerns about the obesity epidemic:

    http://www.HeartMDPhD.com/wtloss.asp

    (4) Rider on a pale horse given the authority to kill a fourth of the
    world's population "by sword, famine and plague, and by the wild beasts
    of the earth":

    The H5N1 Avian Flu Pandemic is here:

    http://tinyurl.com/amj4a

    Note: The migratory birds spreading H5N1 virus are wild beasts of the
    earth.

    Would be more than happy to "glow" and chat about this and other things
    like cardiology, diabetes and nutrition that interest those following
    this thread here during the next on-line chat (01/12/06) from 6 to 7 pm
    EST:

    http://tinyurl.com/cpayh

    For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for
    how the LORD has reshaped me:

    http://tinyurl.com/bgfqt

    Prayerfully in Christ's love,

    Andrew
    http://tinyurl.com/b6xwk
     
  7. >For this you will be in my prayers

    This is not what I discern.
     
  8. Steve O wrote:
    >
    > "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]
    > > Steve O wrote:
    > >> I have just been watching Richard Dawkins and his program about religion.
    > >> Dawkins attended a religious meeting presided over by some crazy eyed
    > >> fundamentalist.
    > >> There were hundreds of people there, singing , clapping, having a great
    > >> time.
    > >> Whilst Richard has his admirers, it's unlikely he could pull a crowd as
    > >> big
    > >> as that to listen to him.
    > >> Now, whilst I believe that Dawkins has far more interesting things to say
    > >> than the crazy wild eyed fundamentalist who had drawn the big crowd, (and
    > >> was presumably siphoning off a tidy profit from them) I think it's highly
    > >> unlikely that Dawkins could have filled that stadium.
    > >> Which is a damned shame.
    > >> And it got me thinking.... is the atheism movement doomed in the face of
    > >> this rising tide of irrationality and religious fervour?
    > >> Then again , is atheism a movement at all?
    > >> Is that part of the problem?
    > >> Because those organised religions appear to have so many attractions,
    > >> (structure, support, friendship, etc) does that mean that, in the eyes of
    > >> the herd, it will always have far much more to offer than the
    > >> alternative?
    > >> Is that why religion is growing rather than declining?
    > >> When Dawkins first heard of evolution and understood that there were no
    > >> Gods
    > >> he honestly believed that within his own lifetime, he would see religion
    > >> eradicated or rendered irrelevant.
    > >> In his own admission, that hasn't happened, nor is it likely to.
    > >> Why?
    > >> Simple answer - religion, (for the masses) has far more to offer.
    > >> Apart from filling people's minds with dangerous nonsense, it also
    > >> happens
    > >> to provide a support structure, and well, something to get together with
    > >> other people and celebrate.
    > >> That's the problem with atheism - there's nothing to celebrate.
    > >> Nothing to form a support structure around.
    > >> ....So how do we change that?
    > >> Yes, I know Mickey has made a good start by maintaining an atheist list,
    > >> but
    > >> is that the best we can do? (no offence intended towards Michelle)
    > >> I was personally shocked to find when I joined that list that I was only
    > >> atheist # 2240.
    > >> Two thousand two hundred and forty - out of a potential list of millions.
    > >> We are the majority - if you count apathy and disinterest as atheism, so
    > >> how
    > >> do we take it further to counterbalance the rising tide of religious
    > >> fervour, fuelled by these happy, clappy meetings which inspire so much
    > >> faith
    > >> in people?
    > >> Should we start having major meetings and rallies ourselves?
    > >> Should we fill those rallies with music, singing, and interesting stuff
    > >> to
    > >> do?
    > >> Why should the fundy nuts have all the fun, and the advantage of a
    > >> community
    > >> with a vested interest and similar views?
    > >> In other words, how can we coagulate, and build a wall against this
    > >> relentless onslaught of blind, ecstatic, whooping and hollering religio -
    > >> fascists who seem to be taking over the world?
    > >> Any suggestions would be most welcome.

    > >
    > > Without the LORD, life is meaningless (Book of Ecclesiastes). Sorry to
    > > break this to you. Please forgive me for my iniquities.

    >
    > No need to apologise at all - you haven't broken anything to me.
    > Perhaps what you mean is that before you had a nervous breakdown and "found
    > God" - YOUR life was meaningless.


    No. I am not author of the Book of Ecclesiastes.

    > Fortunately, some of us do not have a meaningless life to start with so we
    > don't need to buy into any of that God bullshit.


    There is no such thing as either fortunately or unfortunately:

    Proverbs 16:33

    > You raise a good point - I have always found that religion was the resort of
    > the desperate.


    Walking with the LORD is a relationship and not a religion.

    > Perhaps that is why its lure is so great.


    Few are walking with the LORD.

    > We hear time after time from born agains who always seem to have one thing
    > in common - a deeply distressing and difficult experience prior to their
    > conversion.


    The Apostle Paul's difficult times occurred **after** being reborn water
    and the Holy Spirit.

    > I can't blame them - if I was as despearte as that


    Without the LORD, there can be only that.

    > then the oblivion of
    > blind faith might seem tempting.


    May the LORD give you a discerning heart, someday, dear Steve whom I
    love, in Jesus' most precious and holy name.

    Amen.

    Now this is about the works of the four riders on horseback from the 6th
    chapter of the Book of Revelation (we are now in the 6th year into the
    third millenium after the birth of the Son of Man)

    (1) Crowned rider wielding a bow and riding a white horse:

    "See you on the other side. It's not bad. We are just going to sleep."
    - missive (missile) from one of 12 born-again Christian miners who gave
    up their lives to save the youngest among them after being trapped by an
    explosion in a W.Va mine.

    (2) Rider wielding a sword and riding a fiery red horse:

    Ariel Sharon, the world's hope for lasting peace in the middle east,
    suffers a massive stroke. Violence and bloodshed in Iraq escalates.
    U.S. now less likely to pull out of Iraq anytime soon.

    (3) Rider wielding a set of food scales and riding a black horse:

    The rate of increase of the number of people worldwide using the
    2PD-OMER Approach (which advocates the use of food scales) accelerates
    with growing worldwide concerns about the obesity epidemic:

    http://www.HeartMDPhD.com/wtloss.asp

    (4) Rider on a pale horse given the authority to kill a fourth of the
    world's population "by sword, famine and plague, and by the wild beasts
    of the earth":

    The H5N1 Avian Flu Pandemic is here:

    http://tinyurl.com/amj4a

    Yes, the migratory birds spreading H5N1 virus are wild beasts of the
    earth.

    Would be more than happy to "glow" and chat about this and other things
    like cardiology, diabetes and nutrition that interest those following
    this thread here during the next on-line chat (01/12/06) from 6 to 7 pm
    EST:

    http://tinyurl.com/cpayh

    For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for how
    the LORD has reshaped me:

    http://tinyurl.com/bgfqt

    Prayerfully in Christ's love,

    Andrew
    http://tinyurl.com/b6xwk
     
  9. THe Hebrew Hammer wrote:
    >
    > >For this you will be in my prayers

    >
    > This is not what I discern.


    May the LORD give you a discerning heart someday, dear Jack whom I love,
    in Jesus' most precious and holy name.

    Amen

    Now this is about the works of the four riders on horseback from the 6th
    chapter of the Book of Revelation (we are now in the 6th year into the
    third millenium after the birth of the Son of Man)

    (1) Crowned rider wielding a bow and riding a white horse:

    "See you on the other side. It's not bad. We are just going to sleep."
    - missive (missile) from one of 12 born-again Christian miners who gave
    up their lives to save the youngest among them after being trapped by an
    explosion in a W.Va mine.

    (2) Rider wielding a sword and riding a fiery red horse:

    Ariel Sharon, the world's hope for lasting peace in the middle east,
    suffers a massive stroke. Violence and bloodshed in Iraq escalates.
    U.S. now less likely to pull out of Iraq anytime soon.

    (3) Rider wielding a set of food scales and riding a black horse:

    The rate of increase of the number of people worldwide using the
    2PD-OMER Approach (which advocates the use of food scales) accelerates
    with growing worldwide concerns about the obesity epidemic:

    http://www.HeartMDPhD.com/wtloss.asp

    (4) Rider on a pale horse given the authority to kill a fourth of the
    world's population "by sword, famine and plague, and by the wild beasts
    of the earth":

    The H5N1 Avian Flu Pandemic is here:

    http://tinyurl.com/amj4a

    Yes, the migratory birds spreading H5N1 virus are wild beasts of the
    earth.

    Would be more than happy to "glow" and chat about this and other things
    like cardiology, diabetes and nutrition that interest those following
    this thread here during the next on-line chat (01/12/06) from 6 to 7 pm
    EST:

    http://tinyurl.com/cpayh

    For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for how
    the LORD has reshaped me:

    http://tinyurl.com/bgfqt

    Prayerfully in Christ's love,

    Andrew
    http://tinyurl.com/b6xwk
     
  10. Richard Smol

    Richard Smol Guest

    Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:

    > Without the LORD, life is meaningless (Book of Ecclesiastes). Sorry to
    > break this to you. Please forgive me for my iniquities.


    What is the meaning of your god's existence?

    RS
     
  11. Didi

    Didi Guest

    Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
    > Steve O wrote:
    > > I have just been watching Richard Dawkins and his program about religion.
    > > Dawkins attended a religious meeting presided over by some crazy eyed
    > > fundamentalist.
    > > There were hundreds of people there, singing , clapping, having a great
    > > time.
    > > Whilst Richard has his admirers, it's unlikely he could pull a crowd as big
    > > as that to listen to him.
    > > Now, whilst I believe that Dawkins has far more interesting things to say
    > > than the crazy wild eyed fundamentalist who had drawn the big crowd, (and
    > > was presumably siphoning off a tidy profit from them) I think it's highly
    > > unlikely that Dawkins could have filled that stadium.
    > > Which is a damned shame.
    > > And it got me thinking.... is the atheism movement doomed in the face of
    > > this rising tide of irrationality and religious fervour?
    > > Then again , is atheism a movement at all?
    > > Is that part of the problem?
    > > Because those organised religions appear to have so many attractions,
    > > (structure, support, friendship, etc) does that mean that, in the eyes of
    > > the herd, it will always have far much more to offer than the alternative?
    > > Is that why religion is growing rather than declining?
    > > When Dawkins first heard of evolution and understood that there were no Gods
    > > he honestly believed that within his own lifetime, he would see religion
    > > eradicated or rendered irrelevant.
    > > In his own admission, that hasn't happened, nor is it likely to.
    > > Why?
    > > Simple answer - religion, (for the masses) has far more to offer.
    > > Apart from filling people's minds with dangerous nonsense, it also happens
    > > to provide a support structure, and well, something to get together with
    > > other people and celebrate.
    > > That's the problem with atheism - there's nothing to celebrate.
    > > Nothing to form a support structure around.
    > > ....So how do we change that?
    > > Yes, I know Mickey has made a good start by maintaining an atheist list, but
    > > is that the best we can do? (no offence intended towards Michelle)
    > > I was personally shocked to find when I joined that list that I was only
    > > atheist # 2240.
    > > Two thousand two hundred and forty - out of a potential list of millions.
    > > We are the majority - if you count apathy and disinterest as atheism, so how
    > > do we take it further to counterbalance the rising tide of religious
    > > fervour, fuelled by these happy, clappy meetings which inspire so much faith
    > > in people?
    > > Should we start having major meetings and rallies ourselves?
    > > Should we fill those rallies with music, singing, and interesting stuff to
    > > do?
    > > Why should the fundy nuts have all the fun, and the advantage of a community
    > > with a vested interest and similar views?
    > > In other words, how can we coagulate, and build a wall against this
    > > relentless onslaught of blind, ecstatic, whooping and hollering religio -
    > > fascists who seem to be taking over the world?
    > > Any suggestions would be most welcome.

    >
    > Without the LORD, life is meaningless (Book of Ecclesiastes). Sorry to
    > break this to you. Please forgive me for my iniquities.
    >


    Ignore the troll people!!!

    > Would be more than happy to "glow" and chat about this and other things
    > like cardiology, diabetes and nutrition that interest those following
    > this thread here during the next on-line chat (01/12/06) from 6 to 7 pm
    > EST:
    >
    > http://tinyurl.com/cpayh
    >
    > For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for
    > how the LORD has reshaped me:
    >
    > http://tinyurl.com/bgfqt
    >
    > Prayerfully in Christ's love,
    >
    > Andrew
    > http://tinyurl.com/b6xwk
     
  12. 655321

    655321 Guest

    In article <[email protected]>,
    "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email protected]> wrote:

    > Without the LORD, life is meaningless (Book of Ecclesiastes). Sorry to
    > break this to you.


    Ah, the glow of patronizing sarcasm.

    655321
     
  13. Jim-Poncin

    Jim-Poncin Guest

    "THe Hebrew Hammer" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    >
    >> Without the LORD, life is meaningless (Book of Ecclesiastes).

    >
    >
    > This is not what I discern.


    LOL.
    Careful, you'll short him out, and there's not much light coming out of that
    bulb anymore.
     
  14. Didi wrote:
    >
    > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
    > > Steve O wrote:
    > > > I have just been watching Richard Dawkins and his program about religion.
    > > > Dawkins attended a religious meeting presided over by some crazy eyed
    > > > fundamentalist.
    > > > There were hundreds of people there, singing , clapping, having a great
    > > > time.
    > > > Whilst Richard has his admirers, it's unlikely he could pull a crowd as big
    > > > as that to listen to him.
    > > > Now, whilst I believe that Dawkins has far more interesting things to say
    > > > than the crazy wild eyed fundamentalist who had drawn the big crowd, (and
    > > > was presumably siphoning off a tidy profit from them) I think it's highly
    > > > unlikely that Dawkins could have filled that stadium.
    > > > Which is a damned shame.
    > > > And it got me thinking.... is the atheism movement doomed in the face of
    > > > this rising tide of irrationality and religious fervour?
    > > > Then again , is atheism a movement at all?
    > > > Is that part of the problem?
    > > > Because those organised religions appear to have so many attractions,
    > > > (structure, support, friendship, etc) does that mean that, in the eyes of
    > > > the herd, it will always have far much more to offer than the alternative?
    > > > Is that why religion is growing rather than declining?
    > > > When Dawkins first heard of evolution and understood that there were no Gods
    > > > he honestly believed that within his own lifetime, he would see religion
    > > > eradicated or rendered irrelevant.
    > > > In his own admission, that hasn't happened, nor is it likely to.
    > > > Why?
    > > > Simple answer - religion, (for the masses) has far more to offer.
    > > > Apart from filling people's minds with dangerous nonsense, it also happens
    > > > to provide a support structure, and well, something to get together with
    > > > other people and celebrate.
    > > > That's the problem with atheism - there's nothing to celebrate.
    > > > Nothing to form a support structure around.
    > > > ....So how do we change that?
    > > > Yes, I know Mickey has made a good start by maintaining an atheist list, but
    > > > is that the best we can do? (no offence intended towards Michelle)
    > > > I was personally shocked to find when I joined that list that I was only
    > > > atheist # 2240.
    > > > Two thousand two hundred and forty - out of a potential list of millions.
    > > > We are the majority - if you count apathy and disinterest as atheism, so how
    > > > do we take it further to counterbalance the rising tide of religious
    > > > fervour, fuelled by these happy, clappy meetings which inspire so much faith
    > > > in people?
    > > > Should we start having major meetings and rallies ourselves?
    > > > Should we fill those rallies with music, singing, and interesting stuff to
    > > > do?
    > > > Why should the fundy nuts have all the fun, and the advantage of a community
    > > > with a vested interest and similar views?
    > > > In other words, how can we coagulate, and build a wall against this
    > > > relentless onslaught of blind, ecstatic, whooping and hollering religio -
    > > > fascists who seem to be taking over the world?
    > > > Any suggestions would be most welcome.

    > >
    > > Without the LORD, life is meaningless (Book of Ecclesiastes). Sorry to
    > > break this to you. Please forgive me for my iniquities.
    > >

    >
    > Ignore the troll people!!!


    If you were secure in the truth, you also would have had the strength to
    resist the temptation of descending into namecalling.

    Now this is about the works of the four riders on horseback from the 6th
    chapter of the Book of Revelation (we are now in the 6th year into the
    third millenium after the birth of the Son of Man)

    (1) Crowned rider wielding a bow and riding a white horse:

    "See you on the other side. It's not bad. We are just going to sleep."
    - missive (missile) from one of 12 born-again Christian miners who gave
    up their lives to save the youngest among them after being trapped by an
    explosion in a W.Va mine.

    (2) Rider wielding a sword and riding a fiery red horse:

    Ariel Sharon, the world's hope for lasting peace in the middle east, has
    suffered a massive bleeding stroke. Violence and bloodshed in Iraq
    escalates. U.S. now less likely to pull out of Iraq anytime soon.

    (3) Rider wielding a set of food scales and riding a black horse:

    The rate of increase of the number of people worldwide using the
    2PD-OMER Approach (which advocates the use of food scales) accelerates
    with growing worldwide concerns about the obesity epidemic:

    http://www.HeartMDPhD.com/wtloss.asp

    (4) Rider on a pale horse given the authority to kill a fourth of the
    world's population "by sword, famine and plague, and by the wild beasts
    of the earth":

    The H5N1 Avian Flu Pandemic is here:

    http://tinyurl.com/amj4a

    Yes, the migratory birds spreading H5N1 virus are wild beasts of the
    earth.

    Would be more than happy to "glow" and chat about this and other things
    like cardiology, diabetes and nutrition that interest those following
    this thread here during the next on-line chat (01/12/2006) from 6 to 7
    pm EST:

    http://tinyurl.com/cpayh

    For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for how
    the LORD has reshaped me:

    http://tinyurl.com/bgfqt

    Prayerfully in Christ's love,

    Andrew
    http://tinyurl.com/b6xwk
     
  15. Richard Smol wrote:
    >
    > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
    >
    > > Without the LORD, life is meaningless (Book of Ecclesiastes). Sorry to
    > > break this to you. Please forgive me for my iniquities.

    >
    > What is the meaning of your god's existence?


    The LORD does not belong to me but rather it is I who belongs to HIM.

    For this reason, the LORD defines the meaning for my life and I can not
    define the meaning of HIS existence.

    Now this is about the works of the four riders on horseback from the 6th
    chapter of the Book of Revelation (we are now in the 6th year into the
    third millenium after the birth of the Son of Man)

    (1) Crowned rider wielding a bow and riding a white horse:

    "See you on the other side. It's not bad. We are just going to sleep."
    - missive (missile) from one of 12 born-again Christian miners who gave
    up their lives to save the youngest among them after being trapped by an
    explosion in a W.Va mine.

    (2) Rider wielding a sword and riding a fiery red horse:

    Ariel Sharon, the world's hope for lasting peace in the middle east, has
    suffered a massive bleeding stroke. Violence and bloodshed in Iraq
    escalates. U.S. now less likely to pull out of Iraq anytime soon.

    (3) Rider wielding a set of food scales and riding a black horse:

    The rate of increase of the number of people worldwide using the
    2PD-OMER Approach (which advocates the use of food scales) accelerates
    with growing worldwide concerns about the obesity epidemic:

    http://www.HeartMDPhD.com/wtloss.asp

    (4) Rider on a pale horse given the authority to kill a fourth of the
    world's population "by sword, famine and plague, and by the wild beasts
    of the earth":

    The H5N1 Avian Flu Pandemic is here:

    http://tinyurl.com/amj4a

    Yes, the migratory birds spreading H5N1 virus are wild beasts of the
    earth.

    Would be more than happy to "glow" and chat about this and other things
    like cardiology, diabetes and nutrition that interest those following
    this thread here during the next on-line chat (01/12/2006) from 6 to 7
    pm EST:

    http://tinyurl.com/cpayh

    For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for how
    the LORD has reshaped me:

    http://tinyurl.com/bgfqt

    Prayerfully in Christ's love,

    Andrew
    http://tinyurl.com/b6xwk
     
  16. "JessHC, aa#2220 thanks to Jason Gastrich's effort" wrote:
    >
    > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
    > > Steve O wrote:
    > > > I have just been watching Richard Dawkins and his program about religion.
    > > > Dawkins attended a religious meeting presided over by some crazy eyed
    > > > fundamentalist.
    > > > There were hundreds of people there, singing , clapping, having a great
    > > > time.
    > > > Whilst Richard has his admirers, it's unlikely he could pull a crowd as big
    > > > as that to listen to him.
    > > > Now, whilst I believe that Dawkins has far more interesting things to say
    > > > than the crazy wild eyed fundamentalist who had drawn the big crowd, (and
    > > > was presumably siphoning off a tidy profit from them) I think it's highly
    > > > unlikely that Dawkins could have filled that stadium.
    > > > Which is a damned shame.
    > > > And it got me thinking.... is the atheism movement doomed in the face of
    > > > this rising tide of irrationality and religious fervour?
    > > > Then again , is atheism a movement at all?
    > > > Is that part of the problem?
    > > > Because those organised religions appear to have so many attractions,
    > > > (structure, support, friendship, etc) does that mean that, in the eyes of
    > > > the herd, it will always have far much more to offer than the alternative?
    > > > Is that why religion is growing rather than declining?
    > > > When Dawkins first heard of evolution and understood that there were no Gods
    > > > he honestly believed that within his own lifetime, he would see religion
    > > > eradicated or rendered irrelevant.
    > > > In his own admission, that hasn't happened, nor is it likely to.
    > > > Why?
    > > > Simple answer - religion, (for the masses) has far more to offer.
    > > > Apart from filling people's minds with dangerous nonsense, it also happens
    > > > to provide a support structure, and well, something to get together with
    > > > other people and celebrate.
    > > > That's the problem with atheism - there's nothing to celebrate.
    > > > Nothing to form a support structure around.
    > > > ....So how do we change that?
    > > > Yes, I know Mickey has made a good start by maintaining an atheist list, but
    > > > is that the best we can do? (no offence intended towards Michelle)
    > > > I was personally shocked to find when I joined that list that I was only
    > > > atheist # 2240.
    > > > Two thousand two hundred and forty - out of a potential list of millions.
    > > > We are the majority - if you count apathy and disinterest as atheism, so how
    > > > do we take it further to counterbalance the rising tide of religious
    > > > fervour, fuelled by these happy, clappy meetings which inspire so much faith
    > > > in people?
    > > > Should we start having major meetings and rallies ourselves?
    > > > Should we fill those rallies with music, singing, and interesting stuff to
    > > > do?
    > > > Why should the fundy nuts have all the fun, and the advantage of a community
    > > > with a vested interest and similar views?
    > > > In other words, how can we coagulate, and build a wall against this
    > > > relentless onslaught of blind, ecstatic, whooping and hollering religio -
    > > > fascists who seem to be taking over the world?
    > > > Any suggestions would be most welcome.

    > >
    > > Without the LORD, life is meaningless (Book of Ecclesiastes). Sorry to
    > > break this to you. Please forgive me for my iniquities.

    >
    > Please support this assertion with objective, verifiable evidence.

    The LORD's purpose for me here is to inform and to neither prove nor
    convince as is the purpose of HIS four riders on the white, red, black,
    and pale horses.

    For this you will remain in my prayers, dear JessHC whom I love, in
    Jesus' most precious and holy name.

    Now this is about the works of the four riders on horseback from the 6th
    chapter of the Book of Revelation (we are now in the 6th year into the
    third millenium after the birth of the Son of Man)

    (1) Crowned rider wielding a bow and riding a white horse:

    "See you on the other side. It's not bad. We are just going to sleep."
    - missive (missile) from one of 12 born-again Christian miners who gave
    up their lives to save the youngest among them after being trapped by an
    explosion in a W.Va mine.

    (2) Rider wielding a sword and riding a fiery red horse:

    Ariel Sharon, the world's hope for lasting peace in the middle east, has
    suffered a massive bleeding stroke. Violence and bloodshed in Iraq
    escalates. U.S. now less likely to pull out of Iraq anytime soon.

    (3) Rider wielding a set of food scales and riding a black horse:

    The rate of increase of the number of people worldwide using the
    2PD-OMER Approach (which advocates the use of food scales) accelerates
    with growing worldwide concerns about the obesity epidemic:

    http://www.HeartMDPhD.com/wtloss.asp

    (4) Rider on a pale horse given the authority to kill a fourth of the
    world's population "by sword, famine and plague, and by the wild beasts
    of the earth":

    The H5N1 Avian Flu Pandemic is here:

    http://tinyurl.com/amj4a

    Yes, the migratory birds spreading H5N1 virus are wild beasts of the
    earth.

    Would be more than happy to "glow" and chat about this and other things
    like cardiology, diabetes and nutrition that interest those following
    this thread here during the next on-line chat (01/12/2006) from 6 to 7
    pm EST:

    http://tinyurl.com/cpayh

    For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for how
    the LORD has reshaped me:

    http://tinyurl.com/bgfqt

    Prayerfully in Christ's love,

    Andrew
    http://tinyurl.com/b6xwk
     
  17. "JessHC, aa#2220 thanks to Jason Gastrich's effort" wrote:
    >
    > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
    > > THe Hebrew Hammer wrote:
    > > > > Without the LORD, life is meaningless (Book of Ecclesiastes).
    > > >
    > > > This is not what I discern.

    > >
    > > As if the LORD has given you a discerning heart.

    >
    > Of course it did; he accurately discerns you are incorrect. Praise
    > jeebus!


    May the LORD give you a discerning heart, someday, dear JessHC whom I
    love, in Jesus' most precious and holy name.

    Now this is about the works of the four riders on horseback from the 6th
    chapter of the Book of Revelation (we are now in the 6th year into the
    third millenium after the birth of the Son of Man)

    (1) Crowned rider wielding a bow and riding a white horse:

    "See you on the other side. It's not bad. We are just going to sleep."
    - missive (missile) from one of 12 born-again Christian miners who gave
    up their lives to save the youngest among them after being trapped by an
    explosion in a W.Va mine.

    (2) Rider wielding a sword and riding a fiery red horse:

    Ariel Sharon, the world's hope for lasting peace in the middle east, has
    suffered a massive bleeding stroke. Violence and bloodshed in Iraq
    escalates. U.S. now less likely to pull out of Iraq anytime soon.

    (3) Rider wielding a set of food scales and riding a black horse:

    The rate of increase of the number of people worldwide using the
    2PD-OMER Approach (which advocates the use of food scales) accelerates
    with growing worldwide concerns about the obesity epidemic:

    http://www.HeartMDPhD.com/wtloss.asp

    (4) Rider on a pale horse given the authority to kill a fourth of the
    world's population "by sword, famine and plague, and by the wild beasts
    of the earth":

    The H5N1 Avian Flu Pandemic is here:

    http://tinyurl.com/amj4a

    Yes, the migratory birds spreading H5N1 virus are wild beasts of the
    earth.

    Would be more than happy to "glow" and chat about this and other things
    like cardiology, diabetes and nutrition that interest those following
    this thread here during the next on-line chat (01/12/2006) from 6 to 7
    pm EST:

    http://tinyurl.com/cpayh

    For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for how
    the LORD has reshaped me:

    http://tinyurl.com/bgfqt

    Prayerfully in Christ's love,

    Andrew
    http://tinyurl.com/b6xwk
     
  18. "JessHC, aa#2220 thanks to Jason Gastrich's effort" wrote:
    >
    > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
    > > THe Hebrew Hammer wrote:
    > > > >As if the LORD has given you a discerning heart.
    > > >
    > > > AS IF?!

    > >
    > > Yes. Without the LORD, there would be no truth to discern.

    >
    > Please prove this assertion.


    The LORD's purpose for me here is to inform and to neither prove nor
    convince as is the purpose of HIS four riders on the white, red, black,
    and pale horses.

    For this you will remain in my prayers, dear JessHC whom I love, in
    Jesus' most precious and holy name.

    Now this is about the works of the four riders on horseback from the 6th
    chapter of the Book of Revelation (we are now in the 6th year into the
    third millenium after the birth of the Son of Man)

    (1) Crowned rider wielding a bow and riding a white horse:

    "See you on the other side. It's not bad. We are just going to sleep."
    - missive (missile) from one of 12 born-again Christian miners who gave
    up their lives to save the youngest among them after being trapped by an
    explosion in a W.Va mine.

    (2) Rider wielding a sword and riding a fiery red horse:

    Ariel Sharon, the world's hope for lasting peace in the middle east, has
    suffered a massive bleeding stroke. Violence and bloodshed in Iraq
    escalates. U.S. now less likely to pull out of Iraq anytime soon.

    (3) Rider wielding a set of food scales and riding a black horse:

    The rate of increase of the number of people worldwide using the
    2PD-OMER Approach (which advocates the use of food scales) accelerates
    with growing worldwide concerns about the obesity epidemic:

    http://www.HeartMDPhD.com/wtloss.asp

    (4) Rider on a pale horse given the authority to kill a fourth of the
    world's population "by sword, famine and plague, and by the wild beasts
    of the earth":

    The H5N1 Avian Flu Pandemic is here:

    http://tinyurl.com/amj4a

    Yes, the migratory birds spreading H5N1 virus are wild beasts of the
    earth.

    Would be more than happy to "glow" and chat about this and other things
    like cardiology, diabetes and nutrition that interest those following
    this thread here during the next on-line chat (01/12/2006) from 6 to 7
    pm EST:

    http://tinyurl.com/cpayh

    For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for how
    the LORD has reshaped me:

    http://tinyurl.com/bgfqt

    Prayerfully in Christ's love,

    Andrew
    http://tinyurl.com/b6xwk
     
  19. "JessHC, aa#2220 thanks to Jason Gastrich's effort" wrote:
    >
    > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
    > > Steve O wrote:
    > > >
    > > > "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > > > news:[email protected]
    > > > > Steve O wrote:
    > > > >> I have just been watching Richard Dawkins and his program about religion.
    > > > >> Dawkins attended a religious meeting presided over by some crazy eyed
    > > > >> fundamentalist.
    > > > >> There were hundreds of people there, singing , clapping, having a great
    > > > >> time.
    > > > >> Whilst Richard has his admirers, it's unlikely he could pull a crowd as
    > > > >> big
    > > > >> as that to listen to him.
    > > > >> Now, whilst I believe that Dawkins has far more interesting things to say
    > > > >> than the crazy wild eyed fundamentalist who had drawn the big crowd, (and
    > > > >> was presumably siphoning off a tidy profit from them) I think it's highly
    > > > >> unlikely that Dawkins could have filled that stadium.
    > > > >> Which is a damned shame.
    > > > >> And it got me thinking.... is the atheism movement doomed in the face of
    > > > >> this rising tide of irrationality and religious fervour?
    > > > >> Then again , is atheism a movement at all?
    > > > >> Is that part of the problem?
    > > > >> Because those organised religions appear to have so many attractions,
    > > > >> (structure, support, friendship, etc) does that mean that, in the eyes of
    > > > >> the herd, it will always have far much more to offer than the
    > > > >> alternative?
    > > > >> Is that why religion is growing rather than declining?
    > > > >> When Dawkins first heard of evolution and understood that there were no
    > > > >> Gods
    > > > >> he honestly believed that within his own lifetime, he would see religion
    > > > >> eradicated or rendered irrelevant.
    > > > >> In his own admission, that hasn't happened, nor is it likely to.
    > > > >> Why?
    > > > >> Simple answer - religion, (for the masses) has far more to offer.
    > > > >> Apart from filling people's minds with dangerous nonsense, it also
    > > > >> happens
    > > > >> to provide a support structure, and well, something to get together with
    > > > >> other people and celebrate.
    > > > >> That's the problem with atheism - there's nothing to celebrate.
    > > > >> Nothing to form a support structure around.
    > > > >> ....So how do we change that?
    > > > >> Yes, I know Mickey has made a good start by maintaining an atheist list,
    > > > >> but
    > > > >> is that the best we can do? (no offence intended towards Michelle)
    > > > >> I was personally shocked to find when I joined that list that I was only
    > > > >> atheist # 2240.
    > > > >> Two thousand two hundred and forty - out of a potential list of millions.
    > > > >> We are the majority - if you count apathy and disinterest as atheism, so
    > > > >> how
    > > > >> do we take it further to counterbalance the rising tide of religious
    > > > >> fervour, fuelled by these happy, clappy meetings which inspire so much
    > > > >> faith
    > > > >> in people?
    > > > >> Should we start having major meetings and rallies ourselves?
    > > > >> Should we fill those rallies with music, singing, and interesting stuff
    > > > >> to
    > > > >> do?
    > > > >> Why should the fundy nuts have all the fun, and the advantage of a
    > > > >> community
    > > > >> with a vested interest and similar views?
    > > > >> In other words, how can we coagulate, and build a wall against this
    > > > >> relentless onslaught of blind, ecstatic, whooping and hollering religio -
    > > > >> fascists who seem to be taking over the world?
    > > > >> Any suggestions would be most welcome.
    > > > >
    > > > > Without the LORD, life is meaningless (Book of Ecclesiastes). Sorry to
    > > > > break this to you. Please forgive me for my iniquities.
    > > >
    > > > No need to apologise at all - you haven't broken anything to me.
    > > > Perhaps what you mean is that before you had a nervous breakdown and "found
    > > > God" - YOUR life was meaningless.

    > >
    > > No. I am not author of the Book of Ecclesiastes.

    >
    > Ah, so the ONLY way your life could be meaningless is if you were the
    > author of Ecclesiastes. That makes a WORLD of sense.


    It does to the discerning.

    You remain in my prayers.

    Now this is about the works of the four riders on horseback from the 6th
    chapter of the Book of Revelation (we are now in the 6th year into the
    third millenium after the birth of the Son of Man)

    (1) Crowned rider wielding a bow and riding a white horse:

    "See you on the other side. It's not bad. We are just going to sleep."
    - missive (missile) from one of 12 born-again Christian miners who gave
    up their lives to save the youngest among them after being trapped by an
    explosion in a W.Va mine.

    (2) Rider wielding a sword and riding a fiery red horse:

    Ariel Sharon, the world's hope for lasting peace in the middle east, has
    suffered a massive bleeding stroke. Violence and bloodshed in Iraq
    escalates. U.S. now less likely to pull out of Iraq anytime soon.

    (3) Rider wielding a set of food scales and riding a black horse:

    The rate of increase of the number of people worldwide using the
    2PD-OMER Approach (which advocates the use of food scales) accelerates
    with growing worldwide concerns about the obesity epidemic:

    http://www.HeartMDPhD.com/wtloss.asp

    (4) Rider on a pale horse given the authority to kill a fourth of the
    world's population "by sword, famine and plague, and by the wild beasts
    of the earth":

    The H5N1 Avian Flu Pandemic is here:

    http://tinyurl.com/amj4a

    Yes, the migratory birds spreading H5N1 virus are wild beasts of the
    earth.

    Would be more than happy to "glow" and chat about this and other things
    like cardiology, diabetes and nutrition that interest those following
    this thread here during the next on-line chat (01/12/2006) from 6 to 7
    pm EST:

    http://tinyurl.com/cpayh

    For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for how
    the LORD has reshaped me:

    http://tinyurl.com/bgfqt

    Prayerfully in Christ's love,

    Andrew
    http://tinyurl.com/b6xwk
     
  20. "JessHC, aa#2220 thanks to Jason Gastrich's effort" wrote:
    >
    > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
    > > THe Hebrew Hammer wrote:
    > > >
    > > > >For this you will be in my prayers
    > > >
    > > > This is not what I discern.

    > >
    > > May the LORD give you a discerning heart

    >
    > It already did. It's laughing because you think you got one.


    You remain in my prayers, dear JessHC whom I love, in Jesus's name

    Now this is about the works of the four riders on horseback from the 6th
    chapter of the Book of Revelation (we are now in the 6th year into the
    third millenium after the birth of the Son of Man)

    (1) Crowned rider wielding a bow and riding a white horse:

    "See you on the other side. It's not bad. We are just going to sleep."
    - missive (missile) from one of 12 born-again Christian miners who gave
    up their lives to save the youngest among them after being trapped by an
    explosion in a W.Va mine.

    (2) Rider wielding a sword and riding a fiery red horse:

    Ariel Sharon, the world's hope for lasting peace in the middle east, has
    suffered a massive bleeding stroke. Violence and bloodshed in Iraq
    escalates. U.S. now less likely to pull out of Iraq anytime soon.

    (3) Rider wielding a set of food scales and riding a black horse:

    The rate of increase of the number of people worldwide using the
    2PD-OMER Approach (which advocates the use of food scales) accelerates
    with growing worldwide concerns about the obesity epidemic:

    http://www.HeartMDPhD.com/wtloss.asp

    (4) Rider on a pale horse given the authority to kill a fourth of the
    world's population "by sword, famine and plague, and by the wild beasts
    of the earth":

    The H5N1 Avian Flu Pandemic is here:

    http://tinyurl.com/amj4a

    Yes, the migratory birds spreading H5N1 virus are wild beasts of the
    earth.

    Would be more than happy to "glow" and chat about this and other things
    like cardiology, diabetes and nutrition that interest those following
    this thread here during the next on-line chat (01/12/2006) from 6 to 7
    pm EST:

    http://tinyurl.com/cpayh

    For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for how
    the LORD has reshaped me:

    http://tinyurl.com/bgfqt

    Prayerfully in Christ's love,

    Andrew
    http://tinyurl.com/b6xwk
     
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