Re: Massive Multinational Assault on Alternative Medicines

Discussion in 'Health and medical' started by Jan, Jul 18, 2003.

  1. Jan

    Jan Guest

    >Subject: Re: Massive Multinational Assault on Alternative Medicines
    >From: Peter Bowditch [email protected]
    >Date: 7/17/2003 7:06 PM Pacific Standard Time
    >Message-id: <[email protected]>
    >
    >[email protected] (Jan) wrote:
    >
    >>>Subject: Re: Massive Multinational Assault on Alternative Medicines
    >>>From: Peter Bowditch [email protected]
    >>>Date: 7/17/2003 4:38 PM Pacific Standard Time
    >>>Message-id: <[email protected]>
    >>>
    >>>[email protected] (Jan) wrote:
    >>>
    >>>>Good question, and how did the supplements become inferieor, but not one
    >>>single
    >>>>prescription medicine was recalled, yet they were manufactured by the same
    >>>>company??
    >>>
    >>>The prescription drug Allegron was recalled. This means that the
    >>>statement "not one single prescription medicine was recalled" is
    >>>incorrect. The fact that Joe Vialls said this is just an example of
    >>>his unfamiliarity with truth or reason.
    >>>
    >>>http://www.health.gov.au/tga/docs/html/mediarel/mrpan6.htm
    >>>
    >>>As you now know that at least one prescription drug was recalled (the
    >>>only one made by Pan, it seems), any further repetition of the "not
    >>>one single ..." claim will be an acknowledgement of the fact that you
    >>>share Vialls' view of the truth. Put another way, saying it is lying,
    >>>now that you know it is not true.

    >>
    >>Whoopie!!
    >>
    >>A whole 178 packs of 50 tablets each.
    >>
    >>Jan
    >>

    >
    >I ask people to note that Jan's response to being shown that something
    >she was saying was wrong was to reply "Whoopie!!" and then imply that
    >it was only a little bit wrong. I predict that the lie will be
    >repeated within a week.


    Mercy, I though Rich was the only one allowed to do the predictions.


    >178 packets were recalled because 178 packets were made. Recalling any
    >less would have been irresponsible. Recalling any more would have been
    >impossible.


    Well, I knew you would have a complete ratiional answer.

    And what about all the other prescription drugs?? The violations just happened
    to miss them. The supplements were recallled by the groves, but only 178 pks of
    drug, amazing!

    Jan
     
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  2. Eric Bohlman

    Eric Bohlman Guest

    Peter Bowditch <[email protected]> wrote in
    news:[email protected]:

    > [email protected] (Jan) wrote:
    >
    >>And what about all the other prescription drugs?? The violations just
    >>happened to miss them. The supplements were recallled by the groves,
    >>but only 178 pks of drug, amazing!

    >
    > It's the very last time, I promise.
    >
    > PAN DID NOT MANUFACTURE ANY PRESCRIPTION DRUGS EXCEPT FOR ONE BATCH OF
    > ALLEGRON WHICH THEY MADE BECAUSE THE USUAL PACKAGER HAD A PROBLEM. 178
    > PACKETS OF ALLEGRON WERE RECALLED BECAUSE THAT WAS 100% OF THE
    > PRESCRIPTION DRUGS MANUFACTURED BY PAN.
    >
    > Sorry I had to shout, but some people are hard of hearing.


    I can only assume she's asking why Pan's supplements were "recalled by the
    groves" (I think that should be "droves") while *other* manufacturers'
    prescription drugs weren't recalled. Maybe because no QC problems were
    found with the other manufacturers.
     
  3. Rod

    Rod Guest

    "Peter Bowditch" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    > Eric Bohlman <[email protected]rthlink.net> wrote:
    >
    > >Peter Bowditch <[email protected]> wrote in
    > >news:[email protected]:
    > >
    > >> [email protected] (Jan) wrote:
    > >>
    > >>>And what about all the other prescription drugs?? The violations just
    > >>>happened to miss them. The supplements were recallled by the groves,
    > >>>but only 178 pks of drug, amazing!
    > >>
    > >> It's the very last time, I promise.
    > >>
    > >> PAN DID NOT MANUFACTURE ANY PRESCRIPTION DRUGS EXCEPT FOR ONE BATCH OF
    > >> ALLEGRON WHICH THEY MADE BECAUSE THE USUAL PACKAGER HAD A PROBLEM. 178
    > >> PACKETS OF ALLEGRON WERE RECALLED BECAUSE THAT WAS 100% OF THE
    > >> PRESCRIPTION DRUGS MANUFACTURED BY PAN.
    > >>
    > >> Sorry I had to shout, but some people are hard of hearing.

    > >
    > >I can only assume she's asking why Pan's supplements were "recalled by

    the
    > >groves" (I think that should be "droves") while *other* manufacturers'
    > >prescription drugs weren't recalled. Maybe because no QC problems were
    > >found with the other manufacturers.

    >
    > Precisely. There was no need to recall products made by people with
    > quality control systems in place.
    >
    > One of the things that shoots holes in all the conspiracy theories is
    > that Australia's best-known manufacturer of alternative medicine
    > products and supplements, Blackmore's, was not shut down. If the
    > attack was on the entire industry, they would have been the first to
    > go.


    On what basis are you making this statement Peter?


    I don't think that much stuff bearing the Blackmore's label does
    > much good, but I have never heard any suggestion that what is on their
    > labels isn't what is in the bottles. (Marcus Blackmore, however, is on
    > record as saying that he does not believe that any labelling laws
    > should apply to the stuff his company makes and sells.)
    >
    > http://www.blackmores.com.au


    Why not add to your opinions the supplement business owned by Mayne Peter.
    You know the one, you make out that is in New Zealand in the Quackery
    magazines, when it is really in Australia and sits on all the Chemists
    Shelves right next to Blackmores.
    Right around the whole country sits Natures Own which of course is owned by
    the "Cleaning Division" of Mayne Group. Why do you not mention their
    Quality control responsibilities as well.


    You will not admit that you are up the proverbial creek with your biased
    pompous accusations. Why no mention about the recent conference in Australia
    about the safety issues in Australian hospitals. An appalling record which
    discloses three times the level of deaths (per capita) of that experienced
    in the US.

    http://aca.ninemsn.com.au/stories/342.asp

    18000 people a year dieing due to these poor circumstances whilst the road
    toll accounts for 1800 people a year.
    Every day there is a story in the newspapers about how someone died because
    of negligence. I think it is about time that the world realised what really
    is going on in health in this country.
    Get real Peter as you a pushing your own wheelbarrow which is full
    of yourself only.

    Rod.


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  4. Mark Probert

    Mark Probert Guest

    Jan wrote:

    >>Subject: Re: Massive Multinational Assault on Alternative Medicines
    >>From: Peter Bowditch [email protected]
    >>Date: 7/17/2003 7:06 PM Pacific Standard Time
    >>Message-id: <[email protected]>
    >>
    >>[email protected] (Jan) wrote:
    >>
    >>
    >>>>Subject: Re: Massive Multinational Assault on Alternative Medicines
    >>>>From: Peter Bowditch [email protected]
    >>>>Date: 7/17/2003 4:38 PM Pacific Standard Time
    >>>>Message-id: <[email protected]>
    >>>>
    >>>>[email protected] (Jan) wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>>Good question, and how did the supplements become inferieor, but not one
    >>>>
    >>>>single
    >>>>
    >>>>>prescription medicine was recalled, yet they were manufactured by the same
    >>>>>company??
    >>>>
    >>>>The prescription drug Allegron was recalled. This means that the
    >>>>statement "not one single prescription medicine was recalled" is
    >>>>incorrect. The fact that Joe Vialls said this is just an example of
    >>>>his unfamiliarity with truth or reason.
    >>>>
    >>>>http://www.health.gov.au/tga/docs/html/mediarel/mrpan6.htm
    >>>>
    >>>>As you now know that at least one prescription drug was recalled (the
    >>>>only one made by Pan, it seems), any further repetition of the "not
    >>>>one single ..." claim will be an acknowledgement of the fact that you
    >>>>share Vialls' view of the truth. Put another way, saying it is lying,
    >>>>now that you know it is not true.
    >>>
    >>>Whoopie!!
    >>>
    >>>A whole 178 packs of 50 tablets each.
    >>>
    >>>Jan
    >>>

    >>
    >>I ask people to note that Jan's response to being shown that something
    >>she was saying was wrong was to reply "Whoopie!!" and then imply that
    >>it was only a little bit wrong. I predict that the lie will be
    >>repeated within a week.

    >
    >
    > Mercy, I though Rich was the only one allowed to do the predictions.
    >
    >
    >
    >>178 packets were recalled because 178 packets were made. Recalling any
    >>less would have been irresponsible. Recalling any more would have been
    >>impossible.

    >
    >
    > Well, I knew you would have a complete ratiional answer.
    >
    > And what about all the other prescription drugs?? The violations just happened
    > to miss them. The supplements were recallled by the groves, but only 178 pks of
    > drug, amazing!


    100% of the drug was recalled. Remember, pharmaceutical manufacturing is
    mor ehighly controlled than OTC or herbal/supplement manufacturing, thus
    allowing for less of an error.
     
  5. Tsu Dho Nimh

    Tsu Dho Nimh Guest

    [email protected] (Jan) wrote:



    >And what about all the other prescription drugs?? The violations just happened
    >to miss them. The supplements were recallled by the groves, but only 178 pks of
    >drug, amazing!


    Reading the article, it appears that Pan had just started making
    the drug ... only 178 packets had been distributed to
    pharmacists, the rest were still in the distributor warehouses.
    They got recalled too, but it's easier in those circumstances.




    Tsu

    --
    To doubt everything or to believe everything
    are two equally convenient solutions; both
    dispense with the necessity of reflection.
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