On May 28, 8:01 am, John Forrest Tomlinson <
[email protected]>
wrote:
> On Wed, 28 May 2008 04:53:29 -0700 (PDT), Bill C
>
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >"Treason" is purposely so incredibly
> >difficult to define, and prove, legally that it's alomost never used,
> >even in major spy cases they usually find an easier charge.
>
> I thought the difficlulty with prosecuting treason was liberals
> defended Jane Fonda duing the Vietnam war, not that it's hard to
> define. Or was it clearer before that and libs made it hard to
> define?
C'mon JT, you know me better than that. Anyone defending Jane Fonda
was exercising their right to free speech, the lawyers who would have
been defending her if it had come to that would be doing the most
American thing possible, and giving her the rights guaranteed by our
Constitution, both of which should be saluted, and celebrated.
Now there are plenty of assholes on the right who agree with the
kangaroo courts Bush has set up, others as Howard pointed out defended
FDR's criminal behavior, etc...They have the right to do that but,
they are completely wrong under our Constitution IMO and should,
rightly, be slammed for it.
Unfortunately you, and lots of the left are perfectly correct when
you say that there are folks, and leadership on the right who would,
and are imposing illegal, fascist acts on the country. The use of
fearmongering over 9/11 and "the grave danger posed by terrorists" is
garbage. The danger to our system, and country is a whole lot bigger
from the assholes who are out to save us for our own good.
I know where you stand on religion, and I largely agree with you, as
far as it goes as an organized entity. Since I've commented on Wright/
Obama I want to add a bit here and defend Hagee. Don't get your blood
boiling, I'm not THAT big an idiot.
Hagee's calling the Catholic Church "The Great *****" comes directly
from Martin Luther, and, unfortunately, I really can't see Wright or
anyone else going after Martin Luther, except the hardcore, nutcase
Catholics who do it in typical nutcase fashion. It was in reference to
the Church being totally corrupt and selling "absolution", along with
selling everything else to anyone who'd pay.
Historically Martin Luther was a complete piece of ****. He rallied
and encouraged the peasants to stand up for themselves and oppose the
system. When they did, and fought the nobility and were slaughtering
the privileged. The Privileged went after Luther, he immediatley
started ass kissing, and helped lead the slaughter of the folks he
stirred up in the first place so he could protect himself and his
privilege. Lots there in common with Bush and his crusade in Iraq, no?
Paul G. has a good point about who actually shows up to fight these
days and up until after WW2 I think it was pretty much an expected
role for anyone who wanted to be in a public leadership position. They
had to have military service, or their kids. That got lost somewhere,
which is a disgrace because the people sending kids off to die and get
mangled should be leading by example if it's worth it and have fought
themselves, or sent their kids.
McCain attacking Obama is ********. He oughta start a little closer
to home, if he wants any credibility on the issue, with the current
CIC, **** Cheney:
http://www.slate.com/id/2097365/
and the other pieces of **** leading his own party, and generating
their ideology. At least Obama and the anti-war folks were, and are
honest and not hypocritical pieces of ****.
Despite the attacks and spin being promulgated by the Catholic
Church, and I'll give them that there are isolated cases where Priests
did work against the Nazis, in large part Pius the 12th went along
with the program to protect the Church's assets and not have it wiped
out alongside the Jews. Many Priests went much farther and actively
helped the Nazis with their program, seems to have been because "Those
filthy Jews Killed/Sold out our Savior.".
Even though McCain didn't have the in depth relationship with him
that Obama had with Wright he's a political ****, and should have
really looked into what Hagee had to say before jumping on that
bandwagon. He was too eager to court the nutjob moral majority types
to have any integrity on the subject so he grabbed at it, and either
thought he could get away with it, or was stupid enough to think it
wouldn't be an issue.
This goes along well with those assholes branding Islam "A religion
of violence" and pontificating on it. What they don't bother to
mention is Catholicism being brutally violent and reveling in genocide
before and after 1517, when Martin Luther caused the Reformation,
under the battlecry "By the Cross or the Sword!!".
After the Reformation the Catholic and Protestant sects fought endless
wars with each other, and anyone who wasn't one of them, and still
were in N. Ireland a couple of years ago.
None of this happened, or was really something else, the Inquisition
really wasn't a problem, etc...just ask them. Now you've got the
leadership of the right with their lips locked onto these folks asses,
primarily because the little kids, that have escaped the UN
peacekeepers are busy in the front.
If freedom of religion, and speech wasn't a cornerstone of our
history and Constitution I'd happily join you in running these people
out of the Country. Since that's not an option we need to just keep
telling people the truth about their actions, unfortunatley True
Believers want their fantasy, and not facts or reality.
Great to see Westboro Baptist losing the lawsuits, but there's got to
be a way to properly convict them with crossing the line into inciting
violence too.
Bill C