Re: Michael Phelps

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In article <[email hidden]>, David W

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> On 28 Mar,
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>> Chek out the 200 Fly WR today. He's 1 1/2 body lengths AHEAD of the WR
>> line. To give some perspective on Phelps 200 fly performance today. no
>> one
>> has broken the 200 fly WR by that much since 1959.
>
> I just wonder what he's on to enhance perfomance.

Rare genes, the right training and dedication to the task would be my
guess.

Something that won't be detectable for about a decade. Too much money
BEHIND the doping, and not enough AHEAD of the doping. Think it all
went over the edge with corporate sponsors...

Hate to say it (don't mean to be a troll) but I don't think there's one
clean swimmer in the finals from ANY country, male or female.
Seriously...

Why?

If drugs were rife in swimming we'd hear more about it. It can't be so common
yet hardly a word ever seeps out. The swimmers themselves would know it was
going on and some would speak out. This has happened in track and field, but
it
hasn't happened in swimming to my knowledge. It's been a problem in the past
of
course, mostly with East German and Chinese women, but I am confident that
the
anti-drug culture of swimming in the US and Australia - the countries that
win
most events - is working and that doping is rare in those countries.

David

David,

An excellent point.

But, if Thorpe's case proves true, I think we should "re-think" this
idea. I think it would be foolish to have the notion that just because
people aren't talking about it, it's not true. Why would people on his
team, or another team say something publicly if they couldn't prove it?
Jeez, they'd sound like me!! Worse yet, they would sound like poor
losers and could be sued for slander???

Heck, as far as I know, most, if not all, of the East German women
didn't even know that they were taking controlled substances. That's
NOT to say that would happen in this day-in-age with the US or
Australia...

Just my two pennies.

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It's been a problem in the past of course, mostly with East German and
Chinese women, but I am confident that the anti-drug culture of swimming
in the US and Australia - the countries that win most events - is working
and that doping is rare in those countries.

I wouldn't use this argument.

There is much more money at stake in the US (scholarship and professional
swimming, powerful motivations) than in any other country, especially in
Europe, plus a very powerfull doping culture in NFL, baseball and
track-and-field, so I wouldn't consider the "US swimming culture" as being
clean vs. dirty European - that reminds me of another racist old post here
about "pharmaceutical Europe".

-- Olivier

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It's been a problem in the past of course, mostly with East German and
Chinese women, but I am confident that the anti-drug culture of swimming in
the US and Australia - the countries that win most events - is working and
that doping is rare in those countries.

I wouldn't use this argument.

There is much more money at stake in the US (scholarship and professional
swimming, powerful motivations) than in any other country, especially in
Europe, plus a very powerfull doping culture in NFL, baseball and
track-and-field,

You would know better, but it's hard to see much crossover between those sports
and swimming.

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so I wouldn't consider the "US swimming culture" as being clean vs. dirty
European - that reminds me of another racist old post here about
"pharmaceutical Europe".

I never said, nor implied, "dirty European", or made any contrast between the US
and Europe. I mentioned East Germany, but that was long ago and not relevant to
today. I mentioned the US and Australia because they are winning most events and
because we get a lot more media coverage of US swimming than European swimming
here (in Australia), so I have a better understanding of US swimming. I made no
comment on Europe. In fact, there were some pretty thinly veiled
accusations/suspicions concerning Britta Steffen in Melbourne, from the US coach
in particular, that IMO were very unfair to Steffen. The only "evidence" is that
she improved her times quickly, as though that can only happen by doping.

David