Re: My thoughts on seat position, crank length, and cleat position



Lee Hurd wrote:
> Me if you look back at the figures I posted earlier. Interesting.
>
> Did the longer cranks solve the catch in your pedal stroke by the way?


Yes, the stumbling, catching sensation is gone. I think that feeling
had something to do with the range of knee flexion (or whatever it is
called) as related to degrees of crank rotation during the power
stroke.

Seems several folks fall comfortably into the 109%, 20.8%, kops range.

Joseph
 
The Burke formula for 175's seems to reccommend a much higher seating
position than the Lemond formula you were using for the 175's so the devil
in me still wonders if you could have reined in your ankle and knee motion
by raising the seat way over the Lemond mark despite the fact that it would
go against conventional wisdom. My main grudge with formulas is that they
sometimes form a psychological barrier against testing these things out, but
if what you chose works good, it is good. I guess my idea of a good formula
is one that helps a rider ride well with the equipment they've got as well
as the the equipment they ought to have (to paraphrase Rumsfeld) ;).

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> Lee Hurd wrote:
>> Me if you look back at the figures I posted earlier. Interesting.
>>
>> Did the longer cranks solve the catch in your pedal stroke by the way?

>
> Yes, the stumbling, catching sensation is gone. I think that feeling
> had something to do with the range of knee flexion (or whatever it is
> called) as related to degrees of crank rotation during the power
> stroke.
>
> Seems several folks fall comfortably into the 109%, 20.8%, kops range.
>
> Joseph
>
 
Lee Hurd wrote:
> The Burke formula for 175's seems to reccommend a much higher seating
> position than the Lemond formula you were using for the 175's so the devil
> in me still wonders if you could have reined in your ankle and knee motion
> by raising the seat way over the Lemond mark despite the fact that it would
> go against conventional wisdom. My main grudge with formulas is that they
> sometimes form a psychological barrier against testing these things out, but
> if what you chose works good, it is good. I guess my idea of a good formula
> is one that helps a rider ride well with the equipment they've got as well
> as the the equipment they ought to have (to paraphrase Rumsfeld) ;).



I tried lots of things with the 175's. From super low to very high
(felt that way at least), like recommended from the fit calculator at
competitivecyclist.com. I tried so high I couln't reach the pedals, and
eveything in between.

I agree about the psychological limitations of folmulas. That is why I
eventually gave up and just moved the seat around blindly. Out on rides
I even had a riding buddy make changes while I wasn't looking to try to
avoid bias. Sometimes he only told me he moved it! That is why I was
all th emore surprised when I "discovered" the 109% fit. I actually
didn't know about the 109% formula until once I had found a saddle
height I liked, I tried googling around to see if it had any basis of
any kind, when I found:

http://www.asep.org/jeponline/issue/Doc/Feb2005/PevelerSaddle.pdf

I think my problem was I didn't have enough knee motion, so higher
wouldn't have helped there.

Speaking "riding the ride with the bike you've got" my buddy who helped
with the seat height rides a super-heavy department-store hybrid that
is way to big for him, that he borrowed from somebody. He punishes me.

Joseph





> <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> >
> > Lee Hurd wrote:
> >> Me if you look back at the figures I posted earlier. Interesting.
> >>
> >> Did the longer cranks solve the catch in your pedal stroke by the way?

> >
> > Yes, the stumbling, catching sensation is gone. I think that feeling
> > had something to do with the range of knee flexion (or whatever it is
> > called) as related to degrees of crank rotation during the power
> > stroke.
> >
> > Seems several folks fall comfortably into the 109%, 20.8%, kops range.
> >
> > Joseph
> >
 

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