Re: Paul Smith

In news:[email hidden],
Brimstone <[email hidden]> tweaked the Babbage-Engine to tell
us:

Quoted message said:

As would not "driving Minis as fast I could around roundabouts" thus
giving the other drivers time to see you.

In most of the Minis I've driven, that's about 7 mph

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that folds, buy a deckchair.

Rob Morley (Rob Morley <[email hidden]>😉 gurgled happily, sounding
much like they were saying:

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Does that ring any bells (like the ones that should be fitted to the
bicycle but are not?)

Quoted message said:

What function do you think a bell serves, other than to warn a

other road user

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of the approach of a bicycle?

None whatsoever. Same as a horn on a car doesn't. In fact the HC
specifically says that's all it's for.

It's still a legal requirement.

Adrian wrote:
[bike bell]

Quoted message said:

It's still a legal requirement.

To be fitted at sale, not to be fitted in use.

Pete.
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Alan Braggins said:

In article said:

Just a note..cabs a feckin high now with the bottom of windscreens
over 6ft off the floor so try and be a few feet in front of the
lorry if you're directly in front of it.

If you're stopped at a red light and a lorry pulls up right behind
you, that means going a few feet through the red light. Sometimes
that's safe and advisable, but sometimes it would mean pulling into
the middle of a pedestrian crossing which is being used.

Right, so if the lorry driver does indeed pull up too close, the cyclists
brain needs to kick into gear - self preservation now takes over from blame.
--
MrBitsy

Peter Clinch (Peter Clinch <[email hidden]>😉 gurgled happily,
sounding much like they were saying:

Quoted message said:

Adrian wrote:
[bike bell]

No.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

It's still a legal requirement.

Quoted message said:

To be fitted at sale, not to be fitted in use.

Now read the context that sentence was in.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

What function do you think a bell serves, other than to warn a

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

other road user

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

of the approach of a bicycle?

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

None whatsoever. Same as a horn on a car doesn't. In fact the HC
specifically says that's all it's for.

It's still a legal requirement.

It's not only required to be fitted, but the correct functioning of it is
checked annually by law.

Dave Larrington said:

In news:[email hidden],
Brimstone <[email hidden]> tweaked the Babbage-Engine
to tell us:

Quoted message said:

As would not "driving Minis as fast I could around roundabouts" thus
giving the other drivers time to see you.

In most of the Minis I've driven, that's about 7 mph

Then you haven't driven many Minis.

Peter Clinch said:

Adrian wrote:
[bike bell]

Quoted message said:

It's still a legal requirement.

To be fitted at sale, not to be fitted in use.

Oh dear.

In article <[email hidden]>, Brimstone
[email hidden] says...

Quoted message said:

As would not "driving Minis as fast I could around roundabouts"

Where's the fun in that? I was driving at legal speeds, had right of
way, road conditions and visibility good ...

In article <[email hidden]>, Adrian
[email hidden] says...

Quoted message said:

Rob Morley (Rob Morley <[email hidden]>😉 gurgled happily, sounding
much like they were saying:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Does that ring any bells (like the ones that should be fitted to the
bicycle but are not?)

Quoted message said:

What function do you think a bell serves, other than to warn a

other road user

They're pretty much inaudible to drivers in traffic. I find that my
voice provides a much better means of attracting the attention of
visually impaired or intellectually disadvantaged drivers, and at the
same time I can cover both brakes in case they're needed.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

of the approach of a bicycle?

None whatsoever. Same as a horn on a car doesn't. In fact the HC
specifically says that's all it's for.

It's still a legal requirement.

A bike intended for road use must be supplied with a bell, but there's
no legal obligation to keep it once it's out of the shop.

In article <[email hidden]>, Brimstone
[email hidden] says...

Quoted message said:

Peter Clinch said:

Adrian wrote:
[bike bell]

Quoted message said:

It's still a legal requirement.

To be fitted at sale, not to be fitted in use.

Oh dear.

Why?

Rob Morley said:

In article <[email hidden]>, Brimstone
[email hidden] says...

Quoted message said:

As would not "driving Minis as fast I could around roundabouts"

Where's the fun in that? I was driving at legal speeds, had right of
way, road conditions and visibility good ...

Just because you're in the right doesn't keep you alive.

Rob Morley said:

In article <[email hidden]>, Brimstone
[email hidden] says...

Quoted message said:

Peter Clinch said:

Adrian wrote:
[bike bell]
> It's still a legal requirement.

To be fitted at sale, not to be fitted in use.

Oh dear.

Why?

What is the purpose of a bell or horn on a vehicle?

Adrian said:

Peter Clinch (Peter Clinch <[email hidden]>😉 gurgled happily,
sounding much like they were saying:

Quoted message said:

Adrian wrote:
[bike bell]

No.

Quoted message said:

Now read the context that sentence was in.

The "same as" makes it ambiguous, actually.

Pete.
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Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
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Brimstone said:

What is the purpose of a bell or horn on a vehicle?

To provoke arguments on Usenet?

--
David Taylor

David Taylor said:

Brimstone said:

What is the purpose of a bell or horn on a vehicle?

To provoke arguments on Usenet?

Is the correct answer.

Alan Braggins said:

In article said:

Just a note..cabs a feckin high now with the bottom of windscreens over
6ft off the floor so try and be a few feet in front of the lorry if
you're directly in front of it.

If you're stopped at a red light and a lorry pulls up right behind you,
that means going a few feet through the red light. Sometimes that's safe
and advisable, but sometimes it would mean pulling into the middle of a
pedestrian crossing which is being used.

If you are approaching a cyclist stopped in the middle of your lane
waiting a red light (I know this is extremly rare) then when stopping
behid him you should stop where you keep him in sight, it's not up to
him to move.

I take your point on high trucks, I can pull up to a small car like a
Fiat cinquecento when I'm in the Daf 105 and it will completly disappear
below my sightline and there will still be room for pedestrians to
easily pass between me and it. The later Daf's have a mirror down across
the windscreen to help.

In article said:

Alan Braggins said:

In article said:

Just a note..cabs a feckin high now with the bottom of windscreens over
6ft off the floor so try and be a few feet in front of the lorry if
you're directly in front of it.

If you're stopped at a red light and a lorry pulls up right behind you,
that means going a few feet through the red light. Sometimes that's safe
and advisable, but sometimes it would mean pulling into the middle of a
pedestrian crossing which is being used.

If you are approaching a cyclist stopped in the middle of your lane
waiting a red light (I know this is extremly rare) then when stopping
behid him you should stop where you keep him in sight, it's not up to
him to move.

Exactly. Just telling cyclists to keep clear of lorries isn't the
whole answer, the drivers have to pay attention too. (Which almost
all of them do, almost all of the time.)

Quoted message said:

Brimstone said:

What is the purpose of a bell or horn on a vehicle?

and on 19/12/2007 12:39, David Taylor suggested:

Quoted message said:

To provoke arguments on Usenet?

Nah, that's the purpose of cross-posting.

--
Danny Colyer <http://www.redpedals.co.uk>
Reply address is valid, but that on my website is checked more often
"The plural of anecdote is not data" - Frank Kotsonis

NM said:

Alan Braggins said:

In article said:

Just a note..cabs a feckin high now with the bottom of windscreens over
6ft off the floor so try and be a few feet in front of the lorry if
you're directly in front of it.

If you're stopped at a red light and a lorry pulls up right behind you,
that means going a few feet through the red light. Sometimes that's safe
and advisable, but sometimes it would mean pulling into the middle of a
pedestrian crossing which is being used.

If you are approaching a cyclist stopped in the middle of your lane
waiting a red light (I know this is extremly rare) then when stopping
behid him you should stop where you keep him in sight, it's not up to
him to move.

"Tyres and tarmac": stop such that you can see the tyres of the vehicle
in front as well as some tarmac.

I think this is RoSPA advice. It seems quite sane. Clearly, there may be
times when it should be ignored but that's why the good Lord gave some
of us brains.

Cheers,
Luke

--
Red Rose Ramblings, the diary of an Essex boy in
exile in Lancashire <http://www.shrimper.org.uk>

On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 10:42:08 GMT someone who may be "MrBitsy"
<[email hidden]> wrote this:-

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Right, so if the lorry driver does indeed pull up too close, the cyclists
brain needs to kick into gear - self preservation now takes over from blame.

That assumes that the cyclist can find somewhere to go.

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