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  1. I don't disagree with what you have written, but that's not the point. I'm sure that you understand
    that smoking increases free radical damage in your body. And the scientists are saying that that
    supressed the immune system, and over a long period of time increases your risk of cancer because
    your body does not have the resources to prevent it. They supplied a mechanism for their claim - it
    wasn't based on statistics, but what actually happens in the body. I'm just adding that excess free
    radical activity is to be avoided, and there is a diet you can eat that will limit excess free
    radical damage dramatically. It's a rather basic message, and all the evidence seems to support it.

    Alf posted:

    "Seems like you have never understood how cyclooxygenase works. The enzyme is there, active, but
    normally lacks substrates and an initiator that activate it. Free radicals both induce release of
    the substrate, arachidonic acid from cell membranes by inducing phospholipase A2, which release
    the fatty acid in position 2 (mid position) which is normally a PUFA, and in occasions of lack of
    PUFa, of MUFA."

    etc. and so forth

  2. nick said:

    I don't disagree with what you have written, but that's not the point. I'm sure that you understand
    that smoking increases free radical damage in your body. And the scientists are saying that that
    supressed the immune system, and over a long period of time increases your risk of cancer because
    your body does not have the resources to prevent it. They supplied a mechanism for their claim - it
    wasn't based on statistics, but what actually happens in the body. I'm just adding that excess free
    radical activity is to be avoided, and there is a diet you can eat that will limit excess free
    radical damage dramatically. It's a rather basic message, and all the evidence seems to support it.

    But omega-3 acids is the key to dampen that suppresion of the immune system since what I tried to
    tell you is that the oxidative stress from smoke trigger PGE2 production which mute down the immune
    system (and is also what several cancer cells do, increase PGE2 production thousands fold if not
    million fold (that is, increasing them from femtomol/picomol range into nanomol/micromol range, from
    a source of arachidonic which is always in the potential of producing micromol concentration if PLA2
    is fully activated. By substituting some of the AA in cell (which normally is around 60% of all 2-
    position substituent in phospholipids inside the membrane, while far less on the outer side of the
    outer membrane) with omega-3 acids, these will instead produce PGE3 which has far less immune system
    quenching effects.

    So, by decfreasing the omega-6 to omega-3 ratio, you get a strong inhibition of the immune system
    quench effect from free radicals. (There are also other mechanisms around).

    Another target is to reduce the amount of active cyclooxygenases. That is done by eating small doses
    of aspirine.

    A third strategy is to increase the intake of trace elements involved in prevention against free
    radical harms. That is, eating food rich in selenium, copper and manganese, plus zinc. That is,
    eating more vegetables. Meat from animals fed refined food lacking trace elements and antioxidants
    is of no good at all. But meat from grazing animals fed otherwise with foods gather over big areas,
    like harvesting some food in forests, in fields far away etc. is a way to secure good compositions
    in trace elements and natural antioxidants, eg. giving some oak leaves and bark will give the
    animals good amounts of quercetin, an important antioxidant for blood capillar funtion. Other leaves
    and bark will give them other antioxidants which in turn we may benefit. 100 years ago and earlier,
    this was a natural component of animals diet, at least in Europe. Maybe that was a key to survival
    and not dying of mutations, like familiar hypercholesterolemia, which is a very usual gene here in
    Norway, which now kills many people, while their ancestors survived far longer while they had a diet
    consisting of much cholesterollowering components like taurine from meat and possibly also lots of
    antioxidants from the meat where the animals got them from the food they was given (but it was a
    marginal diet which gave a very low growth rate to the animals which was not usable if producing
    strictly for sale. But the diet today has gone to far in opposite direction in giving too high
    growth rate (mostly due to the extremely low omega-3/omega-6 ration since arachidonate is a cell
    growth enhancer because PGF2-alpha is an important signaler in growth cycle, and often the limiting
    factor in cell growth regulation)

  3. "Alf Christophersen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:
    nick said:

    I don't disagree with what you have written, but that's not the point.

    Do you have one?

    Quoted message said:

    By substituting some of the AA in cell (which normally is around 60% of all 2-position substituent
    in phospholipids inside the membrane, while far less on the outer side of the outer membrane) with
    omega-3 acids, these will instead produce PGE3 which has far less immune system quenching effects.

    I really appreciate the trouble you're going to, as I learn a lot from you, but Nick doesn't even
    believe in the lipid bilayer membrane structure. Nor, I suppose, does he quite appreciate how much
    cholesterol is in the external membrane layer....or the effects of lipid soluble antioxidants....and
    on and on....

    Thanks, Alf.

    Lar

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