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On 17 May, 09:44, Tony Dragon <[email protected]> wrote:
> Doug wrote:
> > On 17 May, 09:28, Tony Dragon <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> Doug wrote:
> >>> On 15 May, 21:32, "Brimstone" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>>> Daniel Barlow wrote:
> >>>>> "Brimstone" <[email protected]> writes:
> >>>>>> How can it be a victimless crime when a cyclist jumps a red light,
> >>>>>> obstructs the path of another vehicle and causes a collision?
> >>>>> Interesting, that wasn't mentioned in the report I read. How many
> >>>>> times did that happen in the aforementioned three hours at Piccadilly
> >>>>> Circus, then?
> >>>> Was there any mention of the consequences of those vehicles passing the red
> >>>> light, or was the report limited to the fact of them doing it?
> >>> Well we know that the impact force from a car is very much greater
> >>> than that from a bicycle even when they are going at the same speed.
> >>> Let's say the bike and rider weigh 100kg and the car is only 1,000kg.
> >>> You can see the implication can't you? Cyclists 43 cars 270.
> >>> --
> >>> RoadPeace
> >>>http://www.roadpeace.org/
> >>> For road crash victims.
> >> Could you answer this question for me to iron out any misconceptions?
> >> Do you think it is OK for cyclists to break the law by going through red
> >> lights?
>
> > Depends what you mean by OK. If it is done to ensure their own safety
> > without prejudicing the safety of others then maybe.
>
> Thank you for your 'clear' reply.
> You agree with cyclists breaking the law
>
>
>
> > Do you think it is OK for motorists to break the law by going through
> > red lights?
>
> Motorist should not break the law by going through red light, except
> when they are allowed to under the highway code e.g. instructed by a
> police officer, where the lights are not working.
> One exception that I don't think is mentioned in the HC would be to
> carefully get out of the way of an emergency vehicle.
>
>
In the right or in the wrong, cyclists die. But speed doesn't kill, of
course.
"A young woman who drove her Smart car through a red light at speed,
hitting and killing a cyclist, has been jailed for 21 months.
Sobbing Kerry Smith, 24, who had no previous convictions and a clean
driving licence, drove west along Talgarth Road at 45mph in the 30mph
limit and failed to stop at the red light on the junction with Gliddon
Road, prosecutor Charles Burton told Isleworth Crown Court.
"It was 9pm and the defendant failed to notice the lights were red and
collided with cyclist Charlotte Morse, who was riding her bicycle from
north to south across the junction with the lights at green in her
favour," he said."
http://www.richmondandtwickenhamtim...g_driver_jailed_for_killing_young_cyclist.php
> Doug wrote:
> > On 17 May, 09:28, Tony Dragon <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> Doug wrote:
> >>> On 15 May, 21:32, "Brimstone" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>>> Daniel Barlow wrote:
> >>>>> "Brimstone" <[email protected]> writes:
> >>>>>> How can it be a victimless crime when a cyclist jumps a red light,
> >>>>>> obstructs the path of another vehicle and causes a collision?
> >>>>> Interesting, that wasn't mentioned in the report I read. How many
> >>>>> times did that happen in the aforementioned three hours at Piccadilly
> >>>>> Circus, then?
> >>>> Was there any mention of the consequences of those vehicles passing the red
> >>>> light, or was the report limited to the fact of them doing it?
> >>> Well we know that the impact force from a car is very much greater
> >>> than that from a bicycle even when they are going at the same speed.
> >>> Let's say the bike and rider weigh 100kg and the car is only 1,000kg.
> >>> You can see the implication can't you? Cyclists 43 cars 270.
> >>> --
> >>> RoadPeace
> >>>http://www.roadpeace.org/
> >>> For road crash victims.
> >> Could you answer this question for me to iron out any misconceptions?
> >> Do you think it is OK for cyclists to break the law by going through red
> >> lights?
>
> > Depends what you mean by OK. If it is done to ensure their own safety
> > without prejudicing the safety of others then maybe.
>
> Thank you for your 'clear' reply.
> You agree with cyclists breaking the law
>
>
>
> > Do you think it is OK for motorists to break the law by going through
> > red lights?
>
> Motorist should not break the law by going through red light, except
> when they are allowed to under the highway code e.g. instructed by a
> police officer, where the lights are not working.
> One exception that I don't think is mentioned in the HC would be to
> carefully get out of the way of an emergency vehicle.
>
>
In the right or in the wrong, cyclists die. But speed doesn't kill, of
course.
"A young woman who drove her Smart car through a red light at speed,
hitting and killing a cyclist, has been jailed for 21 months.
Sobbing Kerry Smith, 24, who had no previous convictions and a clean
driving licence, drove west along Talgarth Road at 45mph in the 30mph
limit and failed to stop at the red light on the junction with Gliddon
Road, prosecutor Charles Burton told Isleworth Crown Court.
"It was 9pm and the defendant failed to notice the lights were red and
collided with cyclist Charlotte Morse, who was riding her bicycle from
north to south across the junction with the lights at green in her
favour," he said."
http://www.richmondandtwickenhamtim...g_driver_jailed_for_killing_young_cyclist.php