Malcolm said:
In article <[email hidden]>,
[email hidden] writesQuoted message said:Malcolm said:In article <[email hidden]>,
[email hidden] writes>On 4 Jun, 21:51, Malcolm
<[email hidden]> wrote:
>> In article <[email hidden]>, Steven
>> <[email hidden]> writes>> The details of my PhD are in the public domain. Pat claims to be an
>> expert at searching the internet, so let him find the details. It
>> shouldn't tax what passes for his brain too much.>I have never made any such claim.
Ha, ha!
>Are you sure you haven't been trained in faking it up by Windy
>Webster?Another PAThetic remark.
>Anyway, I'm perfectly prepared to take a look at the details of your
>PhDGood.
>and seek a professional opinion as to their validity.
Do you try (and fail) to be insulting because you think it clever or are
you just a mean-minded little man who can't help it?> As it is not
>a task I have been seeking and a public endorsement from me would be
>to your benefit, I would expect your full help and co-operation.More piffle from Pat. A public endorsement from you is the last thing
anyone needs and how could it possibly be of any benefit?>Plenty of detail has been published by your detractors, it would seem
>very much in your interests to co-operateThere is only one detractor, Pat, and if you can't recognise who it is
then more fool you.>Where should I start looking?
On the internet, I would suggest. All the information you need is there.
I can get the title and date of my thesis in just seven clicks of my
mouse. You will, undoubtedly, need a lot more, so you'd better get
going, hadn't you?You are uncooperative for a man facing such dastardly alleged libels
and damaging campaigns.
Perhaps I interpret the situation rather differently from you.
You are a unique that's for sure!
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:As a sign of my good faith, my O
levels were 1959, London.Geometrical and Mechanical Drawing
MathsI failed the other 6 with distinction but was lucky in my choice of
career. Nobody cared about qualifications, it was results that
counted.
Of course.Quoted message said:You claim to have a Doctorate
Stop libelling me, Pat. I do not *claim* to have a doctorate, I have
one, as you can very easily find out with a few clicks of your mouse.
You do *CLAIM* and often, many things that have turned out to be lies.
You are a liar, fake and cheat, not to mention bully and troll!
Quoted message said:Quoted message said:and use its prestige to help earn a
living -Of course.
Quoted message said:and much more seriously to give you enough credibility to
pour a stream of abuse on a great many quite harmless and decent
people who happen to disagree with your strange ideas and behaviour.
Do stop making silly statements. You have no credibility in this
newsgroup
He has far more cred then you'll ever have. You don't have any
credibility in *any* newsgroups!
Perhaps you could ask your "dear friend" Bill Oddie to verify your
status? Oops silly me, that was a lie of yours as well wasn't it!
Quoted message said:Quoted message said:It must never be allowed to happen again. If that means picking up on
inconsistancies in some of the politburos stories and giving them wide
coverage, so be it.
Quoted message said:Why do something useful, Pat, and use the Internet to discover the title
and year of my PhD thesis?
So we wont be seeing it anytime soon then? Liar and fake. You have no
legitimate Phd
This and your subsequent wriggling and squirming proves it
Colin said:Interesting history for someone running a charity on Islay?
http://www.myreader.co.uk/message/360956.aspx
home archive of uk.* news reader.
MALCOLM OGILVIE'S DETAILS
http://makeashorterlink.com/?F2831332APh.D. Fraud
Below here is the documentation for the research that proved that Mr.
Ogilvie did not have a PhD from an accredited school like he was
claiming.Summary
FACT 1: Malcolm Ogilvie's Dissertation isn't Listed Anywhere
FACT 2: Malcolm hasn't Provided Simple Information
FACT 3: Malcolm's Lawyer Practically Admits it's not Accredited
FACT 4: Malcolm Ogilvie has Changed his Story
FACT 5: Malcolm's Lawyer did not Produce Proof of a PhD
FACT 6: Malcolm Could Easily Close This Site
FACT 7: Malcolm Said that He Was Going to Sue
FACT 8: Malcolm Said He Graduated from Bristol
FACT 9: Malcolm Said He Used Life Experience for PhDHISTORICAL RECORD OF PHD FRAUD
December 1995 is the earliest post I can find of Mr. Ogilvies claiming
a PhD. Although in the alt.education group Malcolm claimed he got his
bogus diploma 8 years a go (1991).
On August 8, 1997 I stated that I suspected Mr. Ogilvie's PhD was
bogus.
On August 27, 1997 it was revealed that Mr. Ogilvie didn't have a
dissertation listed and he changed his story about it being published
to it being totally suppressed. (Funny note: he still claimed it was
listed but, couldn't be found because he really had a secret
hyphenated last name, K????-Ogilvie. I've gotten emails from two
different people saying his secret K???? name is Kevin.)
In late February or early March 1998 this web site was first created.
In mid March 1998 Malcolm got his lawyer involved to try and squelch
the truth and scare everyone into surrendering their right to free
speech. He has since tried to gain through threats, insults, and
dogged persistence what the truth and hard work could not do for him,
earn him a PhD.
On Sept. 3, 1999 Mr. Ogilvie finally admitted to his PhD fraud.
Malcolm admitted that he lied about his school being accredited.
Here's a link to Malcolm's post.
On Sept. 10, 1999, he admitted that his school was listed in the
Degree Mill chapter of Dr. Bear's book. A reasonable assumption at
this point would be that Malcolm would end his PhD Fraud. Malcolm
surprised us with both his depths of dishonesty and his apparent lack
of understanding or maybe he's just thinking that everyone else is
dirt stupid? He claims that his situation and school are so special
that he was able to earn a perfectly valid and bona fide PhD from a
diploma mill! He continues claiming a PhD! This challenge thrown down
by Malcolm to prove that you can't earn a PhD from a diploma mill is
NOTHING compared to his previous challenge. I believe it has already
been proven below. I don't imagine Malcolm's false claim will last
long.
This section is where all the changes will be made to the PhDFraud
directory from now on. I'm leaving the rest of the PhDFraud directory
in place as a warning to those people that might be contemplating an
attempt to purchase false prestige instead of earning it. This
directory will also provide information to others that might be
suspicious about someone else's claims to a PhD and how dissertation
listings work, etc. Another function this directory will serve is as a
public historical record of Mr. Ogilvie's most embarrassing PhD fraud.
He plays fast and loose with the truth. If this directory were removed
I believe that eventually Mr. Ogilvie would try to claim that his
threats brought it down.The current sections that are most relevant to Mr. Ogilvie's current
situation are Bogus Diploma Mill Scams as well as the section Diploma
Mill Verses Unaccredited School. In Sept. 1999, Malcolm was given the
option to have a third party sworn to secrecy evaluate his
dissertation. This was a suggestion by Dr. John Bear himself. This
would have allowed Malcolm to prove his PhD was somewhat earned
without revealing any specifics. To sweeten the deal further, I
offered to take down this web site and disappear from the flame war if
his dissertation was evaluated as being of a quality equal to what one
would expect coming from an accredited institution. It doesn't appear
that Malcolm will do this. It seems very clear that Mr. Ogilvie
purchased what amounts to a novelty diploma, a worthless piece of
paper and just started claiming he had a PhD. A diploma from a degree
mill is no more valid than if the individual printed out their own
diploma. As a matter of fact it's worse because by purchasing a bogus
diploma you're putting money in the hands of a con-artist.Dr. Garron Bear has stated that it is not possible to earn a PhD from
a diploma mill. He has explicitly stated that Malcolm's claim to a
valid PhD has no credibility. Here's a link to a Dr. Garron Bear post
that states this very succinctly and clearly. Another expert on
distance education, Dr. Sustan Levicoff, states that Mr. Ogilvie's
bogus claim to a PhD amounts to fraud.Here's a description of one typical degree mill from Dr. Garron Bear's
book. Note: Even though Malcolm said he went to Bristol there is no
Bristol listed in Dr. Bear's book and Malcolm said that his diploma
mill was listed in the degree mill chapter of Dr. Bear's book. I
consider it a reasonable possibility that Mr. Ogilvie even used the
following diploma mill because he said he went to a small "tech
institute". This is one of only two diploma mill's with "Technology"
in the name."Sussex College of Technology, Sussex, England. Perhaps the oldest of
Britian's degree mills, Sussex is run by "Dr." Bruce Copen from his
home, south of London. At the same address, but with different
catalogs are the Brantridge Forest School and the University of the
Science of Man. Each offer "earned" degrees for which a few
correspondence are required, and "extension awards" which are the same
degrees and diplomas for no work at all. Honorary Doctorates are
offered free, but there is a $100 engraving charge. "Professor
Emeritas"[sic] status costs another $100. One flyer admits Sussex is
not "accrediated" [sic] but goes on to say that "No student who has
taken our courses and awards have to date had problems." This
statement would not be accepted by, among many others, a former high-
level state official in Colorado who lost his job when the source of
his Doctorate was discovered. Sussex continues to advertise
extensively in newspapers and magazines in the U.S. and worldwide. In
1988, a new British law came into effect, forbidding such "schools" to
accept students who enrolled after May 1st. Sussex's solution to this
minor annoyance was to offer to back-date all applications to April
30th, 1988 - a creative response that British law apparently hasn't
caught up with yet."List of Chapter 25 Diploma Mills (Dr. Bear's book 12th edition) from
the UK. One of these is apparently Malcolm's "alma mater".Academy College of Holy Studies
Academy of the Science of Man
Albany Educational Services
Avatar Episcopal University
Avatar International University
Brantridge Forest School
British College of Soma-Therapy
British Collegiate Institute
Broadhurst University
California Institute of Higher Learning
Central School of Religion
City Medical Correspondence College
College of Applied Science London
College of Divine Metaphysics
College of Spiritual Sciences
Collegium Technologicum Sussexensis Britannia
Creative University of Southeast London
Cromwell University
Ecclesiastical University of Sheffield
Episcopal University of London
European College of Science and Man
Faraday College
Gordon Arlen College
Harley University
Inter-State College
International Protestant Birkbest College
London College of Physiology
London College of Theology
London Educational College
London Institute for Applied Research
London School for Social Research
London Tottenham International Christian University
Lyne College
Metropolitan Collegiate
Ministerial Training College
Morton-Colwyn University
National Ecclesiastical University
National University of Sheffield
Nebraska College of Physical Medicine
Newcastle University
Northwest London University
Obura University
Oxford College of Applied Science
Oxford Institute for Applied Research
Saint John Chrysostom College
School of Applied Sciences
School of Psychology and Psychotherapy
Shield College
South Eastern Extension College
Southern Eastern University
Sussex College of Technology
Trinity Collegiate Institute
United Free University of England
Universal Ecclesiastical University
Universitas Iltiensis
Universitates Sheffieldensis
University of London
University of Coventry
University of England
University of England at Oxford
University of Sheffield
University of Sulgrave
University of the Old Catholic Church
University of the Science of Man
University of Winchester
West London College of Technology
Western Orthodox University
Whitby Hall College
Wordsworth Memorial UniversityOPEN OFFER TO Malcolm Ogilvie
If there's anyone that still doubts that Malcolm Ogilvie is an
academic fraud then consider the following facts. Malcolm wants this
site taken down and to be rid of me. I've offered to do exactly that
if he would simply name the accredited school he earned his bachelor
degree at and after verifying that he earned it prior to his fake PhD
claims I'd take this web site down and disappear from the flame war. I
believe it's obvious that Malcolm hasn't accepted this offer because
he is a complete academic fraud.Start of Old Proof that Malcolm Ogilvie did Not have an Accredited PhD
WHO IS Malcolm Ogilvie?
Personal details and interestsDr Malcolm Alexander Ogilvie
Glencairn, Bruichladdich, Isle of Islay, PA49 7UN
Phone: 01496-850218. Fax: 0870-164-1397
e-mail: [email hidden]
Married: Carol, with two daughters, Isla and Heather
Qualifications:
- Member of the Institute of Biology and Chartered Biologist (MIBiol,
CBiol) 1977
- Doctor of Philosophy, Bristol University (PhD) 1983
Current employment: freelance natural history writer and editor since
1986
Past employment: Research Officer, The Wildfowl and Wetlands Trust,
1960-1986
Related positions:
- Member, Gloucestershire Ornithological Advisory Committee, 1963-1986
- Member, Ringing Committee, British Trust for Ornithology, 1970-1985
- Member, West Areas Board, Scottish Natural Heritage, Feb 1991 - Mar
2001 (Deputy Chairman Aug 1997 - Mar 2001)
- Member, Scientific Advisory Committee, Scottish Natural Heritage,
Apr 1994 - Mar 2001
- Chairman, Editorial Committee, Scottish Ornithologists' Club, 1997-
2002
- Member, Committee for Scotland, Royal Society for the Protection of
Birds, 1999-
- Regional Representative for Islay, Jura & Colonsay, British Trust
for Ornithology, since 1989
- Member, Argyll Bird Records Panel, since 1990
- Organiser, Wetland Bird Survey (formerly National Wildfowl Counts),
Argyll, since 1991
- Member, Argyll Raptor Study Group, since 1993
- Secretary, Rare Breeding Birds Panel, since 1993
- Rare Breeding Birds Panel representative on Scottish Raptor
Monitoring Scheme, since 2002
Principal ornithological interests:
- Wildfowl, especially numbers, distribution and migration of geese,
also impact on agriculture
- Birds of Islay, especially birds of prey and owls
- Bird ringing ('A' permit holder since 1958)
Related activities: expeditions to East Greenland, Iceland and
Svalbard, studying and ringing geeseMost of the above storiy telling is false, not he has not worked for
quite some time, in fact not since proper records were kept!INTRODUCTION
Malcolm Ogilvie has claimed to have a PhD in almost every post he's
made over the past few years. Prior to the PhD flame wars (8/8/97 -
present), whenever anyone had asked about details he was strangely
silent. The biggest braggart many have ever seen being silent on such
occasions seemed very "out of character". This coupled with my
observation of many months of Malcolm lies, lead me (Zach Zariaan) to
suspect that Malcolm's PhD was a fake. After gathering further
evidence, I believe this is now an inescapable conclusion.WHAT Malcolm Ogilvie HAS SAID ABOUT HIS STUDIES
Here are some things Malcolm has said about his studies. He's said
that he studied in the USA and England. He's said he did all his
studies part time and via the mail. He's said his school is in
England. He's stated it wasn't important whether his school was
accredited or not. He's said that it is not accredited across
international borders but this is a problem with the USA accrediting
agencies. (Note: This is nonsense. Accreditation is done only within
the country that the school is chartered in. There's no such thing as
accreditation across international borders.) He's said it's a renowned
accredited college. He's said it's a small tech institute. He's said
that he will NEVER reveal the name of his school. Most recently he's
said he graduated from Bristol. He's said he grew up in England and
moved to the Islay in 1989. He said that when he moved to the Islay he
didn't have a PhD. He said that he earned his Ph.D. in under 2 years
because he used credit for work experience. According to his driver's
license number he posted (if correct), he was born in 1943. (Florida
includes the birth year in the driver's license number.)SUMMARY
This presentation argues that Malcol's PhD is a fraud. It consists of
nine firmly established facts. I believe that any one of these facts
taken separately would make a strong argument for PhD fraud. I believe
when putting these facts together, it will be shown beyond a
reasonable doubt that Malcolm has not earned a PhD at any accredited
school.FACT 1: Malcolm Ogilvie's PhD dissertation is not listed anywhere.
(All PhD dissertations are listed in DAI or somewhere.)FACT 2: Malcolm has not provided simple information.
(Malcolm hasn't named his alma mater, among other things.)FACT 3: Malcolm's lawyer practically admitted it's not accredited
(The lawyer tried to claim that accreditation was a tangential issue.)FACT 4: Malcolm Ogilvie has changed the story about his PhD.
(He said his dissertation was published now, he says it's not.)FACT 5: Malcolm's lawyer did not produce proof of a PhD.
(Malcolm reneged on an agreement that would have removed this site.)FACT 6: Malcolm Could Easily Close This Site
(Malcolm could easily close this site if he weren't a PhD fraud.)FACT 7: Malcolm Said That He Was Going to Sue.
(If Malcolm is not a PhD fraud, he's doing his best to look like one.)FACT 8: Malcolm Said That He Graduated from Bristol.
(There is no mention of him there or in the UK.)FACT 9: Malcolm Said He Used Life Experience for His PhD.
(You can't use significant Life Experience credit to earn an
accredited PhD.)FACT 1: Malcolm Ogilvie's DISSERTATION IS NOT LISTED ANYWHERE
Almost all PhD candidates are required to write a PhD dissertation
(thesis). Even though Malcolm claims to have done a dissertation, it
is not listed. Malcolm has said that his PhD dissertation title
was "Birds in the Hebrides & chickens that fly". He has also said it
was entitled "The Art Of conservation scams".Every dissertation is collected together by the school and made
available (published) to facilitate the further advancement of
academic research and human knowledge. At the absolute minimum, it is
listed in the library of the school. All accredited schools in USA and
UK will also send the information on to a more global listing, in the
USA, to UMI and in England to the DfEE (Department for Education and
Employment) and some on to UMI. Multiple people reported that
different librarians have said that Malcolm's dissertation should be
in the records, if he had a PhD and his name was really Malcolm
Ogilvie. In the book, "Get the Facts on Anyone" it says that looking
in the lists will indicate if the person has the PhD that they're
claiming. Malcolm admits that it's not listed anywhere, according to
the book therefore, he doesn't have the doctorate he's claiming.After multiple people reported that their own search had failed,
Malcolm Ogilvie admitted that his dissertation had never been
published and is not even listed. (See copies of posts.)A call to UMI verified that dissertations sent to UMI are listed in
DAI, even when it's been "suppressed". (See UMI Said What's Listed.)Fact 1 raises major suspicions about the validity of Malcolm's PhD
claims, the book, "Get the Facts on Anyone", even says that fact 1 is
enough to show he doesn't have the doctorate he's claiming. If you
look at the quotes from the book above and then at some copies of
Malcolm's posts where he emphatically states his dissertation isn't
listed anywhere, I believe many could stop reading here and be
convinced. Because Malcolm has saved us the trouble of proving that
negative searches have been done through all the proper indexes and
lists (which they have), it's almost as simple as 1 + 1 = 2. Please
take a moment to look at the two sections, if you haven't already.A LESSON TO BE LEARNED
If you are considering or know anyone that may be considering trying
to purchase instant prestige instead of earning it then, this section
is simply meant to dissuade what I believe would be a grave error.I hope that a lesson can be learned from this web site. The lesson is
that claiming a PhD or any diploma or certificate that you have not
earned is fraud. It is irrelevant whether a diploma mill or any other
kind of con-artist has been used, it's still fraud. When someone
commits a fraud like this they are risking their most valuable
possessions, their respect, their credibility, their honor, their
character.Mr. Ogilvie was accused of being a liar, a con-artist and even a fraud
before his PhD fraud was exposed. But, now those accusations stick to
him like glue. It now defines who the online persona known as Malcolm
Ogilvie is. It has even tainted the reputation of Mr. Ogilvie's
fanatical on-line supporter, Andy Mabbett (AKA BlowJob, Georgie
Micael,HomoNut, Nobead, and ?).Mr. Ogilvie's PhD fraud has cost him financially. The most obvious
direct cost was the legal expenses when he used his lawyer to try and
scare me into capitulating and taking down this web site.Mr. Ogilvie's PhD fraud has probably hurt his career. Malcolm and his
lawyer claimed that it had hurt his career by hurting his
relationships and potential relationships with both publishers and
customers. This was back when this web site counter only had about 100
hits. Malcolm would apparently like nothing better than to find a
publisher to back him for the development of a book on wild chickens.
I imagine that the exposure of his PhD fraud would have to hurt his
chances at successfully finding and negotiating any deal.I assume the PhD fraud has cost Mr. Ogilvie significant emotional
distress. Before the PhD fraud exposure, Mr. Ogilvie seemed concerned
about exposure. He would avoid questions about his PhD and his school.
When verifiable evidence of his PhD fraud was made public (on the eve
of Malcolm Ogilvie's Fraud Day), he freaked out and didn't seem to
know what to do. He disappeared from the Newsgroups for his longest
period since starting to post regularly on Usenet.There's a law in Florida and I assume in many other places that says
it is illegal to claim a PhD that hasn't been earned. (It's also
illegal to use other unearned titles.)So, if you're considering an attempt to purchase the instant prestige
of a degree or credential that you haven't earned, the lesson to be
learned is that it is not worth it. Just consider the consequences of
what would happen if your fraud was exposed. Consider the sad
situation that Malcolm Ogilvie is in because of his decision to become
a fraud.Nemesis.
Date:Mon, 11 Apr 2005 13:42:30 +0200 (CEST) Author:Re: MALCOLM OGILVIE'S DETAILS
"George Orwell" wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...Quoted message said:
FACT 1: Malcolm Ogilvie's PhD dissertation is not listed anywhere.
(All PhD dissertations are listed in DAI or somewhere.)Information straight from the University of Bristol library. Now go
to
jail, do not pass go, do not collect 200 and do not continue to post
this
trolling [censored] to a politics newsgroup!!Colin
Date:Mon, 11 Apr 2005 14:47:45 +0100 Author:
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