Re: Supersize Me!

GaryG said:

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GaryG said:

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> Opinicus wrote:
> >
> > > Or any of several other diets. In addition, excercise is
> > > important to help
> >
> > Yes. You should lift two pounds a day. No more. No less.
> > Over your head, arms outstretched. Maintain position for two
> > pounds' worth of hours breathing deeply. Release.
>
> "Exercise is neither necessary nor sufficient for weight loss when

there

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> is overeating."

Not sure I understand. If I exercise, I raise the number of calories

that I

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burn. For example, assume that I'm "overeating" by 200 calories per

day,

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and engage in no exercise. If I keep my diet exactly the same, but

begin

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exercising enough to burn an additional 500 calories per day, I'll begin

to

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lose weight through exercise alone.

But, perhaps you're just playing word games here (it wouldn't be the

first

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time, eh?). By definition, one can never lose weight through exercise,
surgery, 2PD, or any other method if one is "overeating".

Both gastric bypass surgery and the 2PD-OMER Approach directly address
and stop the overeating.

But, wouldn't 2PD be "overeating" for some people?

No.

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For instance, someone
who is in a persistent vegetative state (e.g., the late Teri Schiavo)?

32 ounces of Isocal (as an example of what is typically given for tube
feeds) would not be overeating.

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And, wouldn't it be "undereating" for someone who performs heavy physical
labor, or who participates in endurance sports?

Not in my experience as a participant in endurance sports.

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For instance, I rode my bike 602 miles in April, at an average speed of
16.24 mph, with nearly 34,000 feet of climbing. I estimate that I burned
around 27,000 calories as a result of this exercise. I'm already at the
15th percentile for weight, based on my age, gender, and height...if my diet
only permitted 2 lbs of food per day, I would probably lose a dangerous
amount of weight, or experience decreased performance on the bike, or both.

Ime, performance in endurance sports increased rather than decreases
after eating the "right" amount. Note how well the Kenyans do in
marathons despite their slight build from eating the "right" amount.

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Exercise and dieting can occur concurrently with overeating.

Yes, but exercise can also turn "overeating" into "weight loss", without a
change in the quantity or composition of the food consumed.

"Folks who rely on exercise to counteract their overeating will
ultimately become overweight."

At His service,

Andrew

--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist

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GaryG said:

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GaryG wrote:
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> "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> > Opinicus wrote:
> > >
> > > > Or any of several other diets. In addition, excercise is
> > > > important to help
> > >
> > > Yes. You should lift two pounds a day. No more. No less.
> > > Over your head, arms outstretched. Maintain position for two
> > > pounds' worth of hours breathing deeply. Release.
> >
> > "Exercise is neither necessary nor sufficient for weight loss when

there

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> > is overeating."
>
> Not sure I understand. If I exercise, I raise the number of calories

that I

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> burn. For example, assume that I'm "overeating" by 200 calories per

day,

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> and engage in no exercise. If I keep my diet exactly the same, but

begin

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> exercising enough to burn an additional 500 calories per day, I'll
> begin

to

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> lose weight through exercise alone.
>
> But, perhaps you're just playing word games here (it wouldn't be the

first

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> time, eh?). By definition, one can never lose weight through
> exercise,
> surgery, 2PD, or any other method if one is "overeating".

Both gastric bypass surgery and the 2PD-OMER Approach directly address
and stop the overeating.

But, wouldn't 2PD be "overeating" for some people?

No.

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For instance, someone
who is in a persistent vegetative state (e.g., the late Teri Schiavo)?

32 ounces of Isocal (as an example of what is typically given for tube
feeds) would not be overeating.

But if she had 2 lbs of butter shoved into her stomach each day, which would
be consistant with your "Approach," would she have gained weight?

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And, wouldn't it be "undereating" for someone who performs heavy physical
labor, or who participates in endurance sports?

Not in my experience as a participant in endurance sports.

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For instance, I rode my bike 602 miles in April, at an average speed of
16.24 mph, with nearly 34,000 feet of climbing. I estimate that I burned
around 27,000 calories as a result of this exercise. I'm already at the
15th percentile for weight, based on my age, gender, and height...if my
diet
only permitted 2 lbs of food per day, I would probably lose a dangerous
amount of weight, or experience decreased performance on the bike, or
both.

Ime, performance in endurance sports increased rather than decreases
after eating the "right" amount. Note how well the Kenyans do in
marathons despite their slight build from eating the "right" amount.

Could you please provide evidence that backs up this claim? For example,
evidence that their diet is a two-pound diet as well as the number of
calories they are eating.

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Exercise and dieting can occur concurrently with overeating.

Yes, but exercise can also turn "overeating" into "weight loss", without
a
change in the quantity or composition of the food consumed.

"Folks who rely on exercise to counteract their overeating will
ultimately become overweight."

Whom are you quoting?

And could please provide evidence of this from the peer-reviewed literature?

Jeff

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At His service,

Andrew

--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist

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32 ounces of Isocal (as an example of what is typically given for tube
feeds) would not be overeating.

But

Glad you agree :-)

Very funny. The word "But" is not a word that indicates agreement.

And my state clearly showed that I disagree with you.

I would not consider you an example of intellectual honesty.

I guess this is what you stoop to when you know you are out-smarted.

Jeff

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Two examples of anectdotal evidence, which doesn't mean much in the
absence
of peer-reviewed research (quite similar to the 2 Pound Diet, in that
regard).

But the 2PD-OMER "Approach" is not a diet.

Glad you agree :-)

http://makeashorterlink.com/?P2264129A

The way to the truth is straight and narrow:

http://makeashorterlink.com/?A2642108A

You will remain in my prayers, dear Jeff whom I love, in Lord Christ's
holy name.

May you reject your pride and accept Him as your personal Lord and
Savior, someday, so that you too will have eternal life and the
fascinating riches of His everlasting kingdom.

Here's how:

http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129

Please note that God truly made this special link describing that He is
the great "I am" and that His message is as simple as the number 2 which
is a number between 1 to 9 and reminds us of His 2 commandments, the 2
arms of the cross, the 2nd part of the Trinity, the 2 finger sign of the
Prince of Peace [who remains *V*ictorious over death and satan], and the
2PD-OMER Approach. Let it not ever be written that Christ did not make
His presence known here on Usenet :-)

Also, note that Exodus 16:16 continues to remind us that 16 oz plus 16
oz makes 2 pounds, which is "a certain measure of weight," which is what
"omer" literally means in Hebrew.

Enter the 2PD-OMER Approach, which can "cure" metabolic syndrome (MetS)
thereby bringing this thread back on topic in these NGs :-)

http://www.heartmdphd.com/wtloss.asp

At His service,

Andrew

--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist

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Jeff said:

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<...>

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Once again, Chung the coward illustrates his true nature, by
intentionally
changing the meaning of a post by snipping it selectively.

The Lord has not given me the power to change the meaning of Usenet
posts by others:

no, but the newsreader you are using has.

Incorrect:

http://makeashorterlink.com/?P2264129A

The way to the truth is straight and narrow:

http://makeashorterlink.com/?A2642108A

You will remain in my prayers, dear Jeff whom I love, in Lord Christ's
holy name.

May you reject your pride and accept Him as your personal Lord and
Savior, someday, so that you too will have eternal life and the
fascinating riches of His everlasting kingdom.

Here's how:

http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129

Please note that God truly made this special link describing that He is
the great "I am" and that His message is as simple as the number 2 which
is a number between 1 to 9 and reminds us of His 2 commandments, the 2
arms of the cross, the 2nd part of the Trinity, the 2 finger sign of the
Prince of Peace [who remains *V*ictorious over death and satan], and the
2PD-OMER Approach. Let it not ever be written that Christ did not make
His presence known here on Usenet :-)

Also, note that Exodus 16:16 continues to remind us that 16 oz plus 16
oz makes 2 pounds, which is "a certain measure of weight," which is what
"omer" literally means in Hebrew.

Enter the 2PD-OMER Approach, which can "cure" metabolic syndrome (MetS)
thereby bringing this thread back on topic in these NGs :-)

http://www.heartmdphd.com/wtloss.asp

At His service,

Andrew

--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist

**
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Jeff said:

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Jeff said:

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>> > 32 ounces of Isocal (as an example of what is typically given for
>> > tube
>> > feeds) would not be overeating.
>>
>> But
>
> Glad you agree :-)

Very funny.

The truth is not funny:

correct. The way you edit things to change the meaning of what people say is
intellectually dishonest, at best.

The Lord has not given me the power to change the meaning of what people
write:

http://makeashorterlink.com/?P2264129A

The way to the truth is straight and narrow:

http://makeashorterlink.com/?A2642108A

You will remain in my prayers, dear Jeff whom I love, in Lord Christ's
holy name.

May you reject your pride and accept Him as your personal Lord and
Savior, someday, so that you too will have eternal life and the
fascinating riches of His everlasting kingdom.

Here's how:

http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129

Please note that God truly made this special link describing that He is
the great "I am" and that His message is as simple as the number 2 which
is a number between 1 to 9 and reminds us of His 2 commandments, the 2
arms of the cross, the 2nd part of the Trinity, the 2 finger sign of the
Prince of Peace [who remains *V*ictorious over death and satan], and the
2PD-OMER Approach. Let it not ever be written that Christ did not make
His presence known here on Usenet :-)

Also, note that Exodus 16:16 continues to remind us that 16 oz plus 16
oz makes 2 pounds, which is "a certain measure of weight," which is what
"omer" literally means in Hebrew.

Enter the 2PD-OMER Approach, which can "cure" metabolic syndrome (MetS)
thereby bringing this thread back on topic in these NGs :-)

http://www.heartmdphd.com/wtloss.asp

At His service,

Andrew

--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist

**
Suggested Reading:

(1) http://makeashorterlink.com/?G1D5217EA
(2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?B5CE25FFA
(3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A
(4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A
(5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A
(6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A
(7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129

Thankfully, you also have not been given the power to change the meaning
of what others have written:

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The way to the truth is straight and narrow:

http://makeashorterlink.com/?A2642108A

You remain completely and irrevocably vanquished:

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Nonetheless, you will remain in my prayers, dear Gary whom I love, in
Lord Christ's holy name.

May you reject your pride and accept Him as your personal Lord and
Savior, someday, so that you too will have eternal life and the
fascinating riches of His everlasting kingdom.

Here's how:

http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129

Please note that God truly made this special link describing that He is
the great "I am" and that His message is as simple as the number 2 which
is a number between 1 to 9 and reminds us of His 2 commandments, the 2
arms of the cross, the 2nd part of the Trinity, the 2 finger sign of the
Prince of Peace [who remains *V*ictorious over death and satan], and the
2PD-OMER Approach. Let it not ever be written that Christ did not make
His presence known here on Usenet :-)

Also, note that Exodus 16:16 continues to remind us that 16 oz plus 16
oz makes 2 pounds, which is "a certain measure of weight," which is what
"omer" literally means in Hebrew.

Enter the 2PD-OMER Approach, which can "cure" metabolic syndrome (MetS)
thereby bringing this thread back on topic in these NGs :-)

http://www.heartmdphd.com/wtloss.asp

At His service,

Andrew

--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist

**
Suggested Reading:

(1) http://makeashorterlink.com/?G1D5217EA
(2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?B5CE25FFA
(3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A
(4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A
(5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A
(6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A
(7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129

GaryG said:

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Jeff said:

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> Jeff wrote:
>>
>> "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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>> (...)
>>
>> >> > 32 ounces of Isocal (as an example of what is typically given

for

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>> >> > tube
>> >> > feeds) would not be overeating.
>> >>
>> >> But
>> >
>> > Glad you agree :-)
>>
>> Very funny.
>
> The truth is not funny:

correct. The way you edit things to change the meaning of what people

say is

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intellectually dishonest, at best.

The Lord given me the power to change the meaning of what people
write:

Interesting...were you granted these special powers at birth, or did you
develop them later in life?

GG

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Jeff said:

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Jeff wrote:
>
> "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> (...)
>
> >> > 32 ounces of Isocal (as an example of what is typically given for
> >> > tube
> >> > feeds) would not be overeating.
> >>
> >> But
> >
> > Glad you agree :-)
>
> Very funny.

The truth is not funny:

correct. The way you edit things to change the meaning of what people say
is
intellectually dishonest, at best.

The Lord has not given me the power to change the meaning of what people
write:

newsreader software does. And you learned how to do it well.

The Lord did give you free will with deciding to be intellectually honest or
not.

Too bad you took the low road.

Jeff

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It remains my choice to continue to write truthfully.

And we are still waiting for you to start doing this.

You remind me of the blind waiting for their first glimpse of sunrise:

Nice quote. It doesn't make you truthful. Or light.

Jeff

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GaryG said:

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GaryG
>
>
> Once again, Chung the coward illustrates his true nature, by

intentionally

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> changing the meaning of a post by snipping it selectively. Yet
> another
> example of Chung "bearing false witness".
>
> GG
>
>
Careful you don't make him mad or he might take his GOD and go home. He
either avoids the issue altogether or he snips away at it, until it
fits.

His usual approach is to first feign ignorance, then try to change the
subject, then snip the parts that make him uncomfortable, then assert
that
he alone knows the truth, then to insult through passive-aggressive
inference.

"The truth is elusive for the untruthful."

you have not found it, I see.

Jeff

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GaryG wrote:
>
> "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> > GaryG wrote:
> > >
> > > "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]> wrote in
> > > message
> > > news:[email hidden]...
> > > > Opinicus wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Or any of several other diets. In addition, excercise is
> > > > > > important to help
> > > > >
> > > > > Yes. You should lift two pounds a day. No more. No less.
> > > > > Over your head, arms outstretched. Maintain position for two
> > > > > pounds' worth of hours breathing deeply. Release.
> > > >
> > > > "Exercise is neither necessary nor sufficient for weight loss
> > > > when
> there
> > > > is overeating."
> > >
> > > Not sure I understand. If I exercise, I raise the number of

calories

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> that I
> > > burn. For example, assume that I'm "overeating" by 200 calories
> > > per
> day,
> > > and engage in no exercise. If I keep my diet exactly the same,
> > > but
> begin
> > > exercising enough to burn an additional 500 calories per day,
> > > I'll

begin

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> to
> > > lose weight through exercise alone.
> > >
> > > But, perhaps you're just playing word games here (it wouldn't be
> > > the
> first
> > > time, eh?). By definition, one can never lose weight through

exercise,

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> > > surgery, 2PD, or any other method if one is "overeating".
> >
> > Both gastric bypass surgery and the 2PD-OMER Approach directly
> > address
> > and stop the overeating.
>
> But, wouldn't 2PD be "overeating" for some people?

No.

> For instance, someone
> who is in a persistent vegetative state (e.g., the late Teri
> Schiavo)?

32 ounces of Isocal (as an example of what is typically given for tube
feeds) would not be overeating.

> And, wouldn't it be "undereating" for someone who performs heavy

physical

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> labor, or who participates in endurance sports?

Not in my experience as a participant in endurance sports.

> For instance, I rode my bike 602 miles in April, at an average speed
> of
> 16.24 mph, with nearly 34,000 feet of climbing. I estimate that I

burned

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> around 27,000 calories as a result of this exercise. I'm already at
> the
> 15th percentile for weight, based on my age, gender, and height...if
> my

diet

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> only permitted 2 lbs of food per day, I would probably lose a
> dangerous
> amount of weight, or experience decreased performance on the bike, or

both.

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Ime, performance in endurance sports increased rather than decreases
after eating the "right" amount. Note how well the Kenyans do in
marathons despite their slight build from eating the "right" amount.

Two examples of anectdotal evidence, which doesn't mean much in the
absence
of peer-reviewed research (quite similar to the 2 Pound Diet, in that
regard).

Actually, there is much peer-reviewed research that support the idea
that optimal physical performance is associated with optimal food
intake. Just as there is much peer-reviewed research that support the
idea that reduced intake (via bariatic surgery) like that which is
achieved via the 2PD-OMER Approach brings about lasting weight loss.

yet there is no peer-reveiwed papers that show that a large portion of
people who start the diet are able to stick to the diet. And, the diet
doesn't include excercise which has been shown to increase the length of
time people live and decrease illness and disability. Excercise is an
important part of a healthy lifestyle.

Jeff

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GaryG said:

"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> GaryG wrote:
> >
> > "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> > news:[email hidden]...
> > > GaryG wrote:
> > > >
> > > > "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]> wrote in
> > > > message
> > > > news:[email hidden]...
> > > > > Opinicus wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Or any of several other diets. In addition, excercise is
> > > > > > > important to help
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Yes. You should lift two pounds a day. No more. No less.
> > > > > > Over your head, arms outstretched. Maintain position for two
> > > > > > pounds' worth of hours breathing deeply. Release.
> > > > >
> > > > > "Exercise is neither necessary nor sufficient for weight loss
> > > > > when
> > there
> > > > > is overeating."
> > > >
> > > > Not sure I understand. If I exercise, I raise the number of
calories
> > that I
> > > > burn. For example, assume that I'm "overeating" by 200 calories
> > > > per
> > day,
> > > > and engage in no exercise. If I keep my diet exactly the same,
> > > > but
> > begin
> > > > exercising enough to burn an additional 500 calories per day,
> > > > I'll
begin
> > to
> > > > lose weight through exercise alone.
> > > >
> > > > But, perhaps you're just playing word games here (it wouldn't be
> > > > the
> > first
> > > > time, eh?). By definition, one can never lose weight through
exercise,
> > > > surgery, 2PD, or any other method if one is "overeating".
> > >
> > > Both gastric bypass surgery and the 2PD-OMER Approach directly
> > > address
> > > and stop the overeating.
> >
> > But, wouldn't 2PD be "overeating" for some people?
>
> No.
>
> > For instance, someone
> > who is in a persistent vegetative state (e.g., the late Teri
> > Schiavo)?
>
> 32 ounces of Isocal (as an example of what is typically given for tube
> feeds) would not be overeating.
>
> > And, wouldn't it be "undereating" for someone who performs heavy
physical
> > labor, or who participates in endurance sports?
>
> Not in my experience as a participant in endurance sports.
>
> > For instance, I rode my bike 602 miles in April, at an average speed
> > of
> > 16.24 mph, with nearly 34,000 feet of climbing. I estimate that I
burned
> > around 27,000 calories as a result of this exercise. I'm already at
> > the
> > 15th percentile for weight, based on my age, gender, and height...if
> > my
diet
> > only permitted 2 lbs of food per day, I would probably lose a
> > dangerous
> > amount of weight, or experience decreased performance on the bike, or
both.
>
> Ime, performance in endurance sports increased rather than decreases
> after eating the "right" amount. Note how well the Kenyans do in
> marathons despite their slight build from eating the "right" amount.

Two examples of anectdotal evidence, which doesn't mean much in the
absence
of peer-reviewed research (quite similar to the 2 Pound Diet, in that
regard).

Actually, there is much peer-reviewed research that support the idea
that optimal physical performance is associated with optimal food
intake. Just as there is much peer-reviewed research that support the
idea that reduced intake (via bariatic surgery) like that which is
achieved via the 2PD-OMER Approach brings about lasting weight loss.

yet

Glad you agree :-)

http://makeashorterlink.com/?P2264129A

The way to the truth is straight and narrow:

http://makeashorterlink.com/?A2642108A

Again, Lord Christ teaches from Matthew 5:

11Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely
say all kinds of evil against you because of me. 12Rejoice and be glad,
because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they
persecuted the prophets who were before you.

You will remain in my prayers, dear neighbor, whom I love, in Lord
Christ's holy name.

May you reject your pride and accept Him as your personal Lord and
Savior, someday, so that you too will have eternal life and the
fascinating riches of His everlasting kingdom.

Here's how:

http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129

Please note that God truly made this special link describing that He is
the great "I am" and that His message is as simple as the number 2 which
is a number between 1 to 9 and reminds us of His 2 commandments, the 2
arms of the cross, the 2nd part of the Trinity, the 2 finger sign of the
Prince of Peace [who remains *V*ictorious over death and satan], and the
2PD-OMER Approach. Let it not ever be written that Christ did not make
His presence known here on Usenet :-)

Also, note that Exodus 16:16 continues to remind us that 16 oz plus 16
oz makes 2 pounds, which is "a certain measure of weight," which is what
"omer" literally means in Hebrew.

Enter the 2PD-OMER Approach, which can "cure" metabolic syndrome (MetS)
thereby bringing this thread back on topic in these NGs :-)

http://www.heartmdphd.com/wtloss.asp

At His service,

Andrew

--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist

**
Suggested Reading:

(1) http://makeashorterlink.com/?G1D5217EA
(2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?B5CE25FFA
(3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A
(4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A
(5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A
(6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A
(7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129

Jeff said:

"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

GaryG said:

"Bunky42" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:FLdde.9921$_K.8376@fed1read03...
> GaryG
> >
> >
> > Once again, Chung the coward illustrates his true nature, by
intentionally
> > changing the meaning of a post by snipping it selectively. Yet
> > another
> > example of Chung "bearing false witness".
> >
> > GG
> >
> >
> Careful you don't make him mad or he might take his GOD and go home. He
> either avoids the issue altogether or he snips away at it, until it
> fits.

His usual approach is to first feign ignorance, then try to change the
subject, then snip the parts that make him uncomfortable, then assert
that
he alone knows the truth, then to insult through passive-aggressive
inference.

"The truth is elusive for the untruthful."

you have not found it, I see.

As if you would discern it.

http://makeashorterlink.com/?P2264129A

The way to the truth is straight and narrow:

http://makeashorterlink.com/?A2642108A

Again, Lord Christ teaches from Matthew 5:

11Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely
say all kinds of evil against you because of me. 12Rejoice and be glad,
because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they
persecuted the prophets who were before you.

You will remain in my prayers, dear neighbor, whom I love, in Lord
Christ's holy name.

May you reject your pride and accept Him as your personal Lord and
Savior, someday, so that you too will have eternal life and the
fascinating riches of His everlasting kingdom.

Here's how:

http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129

Please note that God truly made this special link describing that He is
the great "I am" and that His message is as simple as the number 2 which
is a number between 1 to 9 and reminds us of His 2 commandments, the 2
arms of the cross, the 2nd part of the Trinity, the 2 finger sign of the
Prince of Peace [who remains *V*ictorious over death and satan], and the
2PD-OMER Approach. Let it not ever be written that Christ did not make
His presence known here on Usenet :-)

Also, note that Exodus 16:16 continues to remind us that 16 oz plus 16
oz makes 2 pounds, which is "a certain measure of weight," which is what
"omer" literally means in Hebrew.

Enter the 2PD-OMER Approach, which can "cure" metabolic syndrome (MetS)
thereby bringing this thread back on topic in these NGs :-)

http://www.heartmdphd.com/wtloss.asp

At His service,

Andrew

--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist

**
Suggested Reading:

(1) http://makeashorterlink.com/?G1D5217EA
(2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?B5CE25FFA
(3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A
(4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A
(5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A
(6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A
(7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129

Jeff said:

Quoted message said:

Jeff said:

"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

<...>

>> Once again, Chung the coward illustrates his true nature, by
>> intentionally
>> changing the meaning of a post by snipping it selectively.
>
> The Lord has not given me the power to change the meaning of Usenet
> posts by others:

no, but the newsreader you are using has.

[censored].

You seem to be arguing with yourself.

Would suggest you seek counseling help.

http://makeashorterlink.com/?P2264129A

The way to the truth is straight and narrow:

http://makeashorterlink.com/?A2642108A

Again, Lord Christ teaches from Matthew 5:

11Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely
say all kinds of evil against you because of me. 12Rejoice and be glad,
because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they
persecuted the prophets who were before you.

You will remain in my prayers, dear neighbor, whom I love, in Lord
Christ's holy name.

May you reject your pride and accept Him as your personal Lord and
Savior, someday, so that you too will have eternal life and the
fascinating riches of His everlasting kingdom.

Here's how:

http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129

Please note that God truly made this special link describing that He is
the great "I am" and that His message is as simple as the number 2 which
is a number between 1 to 9 and reminds us of His 2 commandments, the 2
arms of the cross, the 2nd part of the Trinity, the 2 finger sign of the
Prince of Peace [who remains *V*ictorious over death and satan], and the
2PD-OMER Approach. Let it not ever be written that Christ did not make
His presence known here on Usenet :-)

Also, note that Exodus 16:16 continues to remind us that 16 oz plus 16
oz makes 2 pounds, which is "a certain measure of weight," which is what
"omer" literally means in Hebrew.

Enter the 2PD-OMER Approach, which can "cure" metabolic syndrome (MetS)
thereby bringing this thread back on topic in these NGs :-)

http://www.heartmdphd.com/wtloss.asp

At His service,

Andrew

--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist

**
Suggested Reading:

(1) http://makeashorterlink.com/?G1D5217EA
(2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?B5CE25FFA
(3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A
(4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A
(5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A
(6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A
(7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129

Jeff said:

"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Jeff said:

"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...
> Jeff wrote:
>>
>> "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
>> news:[email hidden]...
>> (...)
>>
>> >> > 32 ounces of Isocal (as an example of what is typically given for
>> >> > tube
>> >> > feeds) would not be overeating.
>> >>
>> >> But
>> >
>> > Glad you agree :-)
>>
>> Very funny.
>
> The truth is not funny:

correct. The way you edit things to change the meaning of what people say
is
intellectually dishonest, at best.

The Lord has not given me the power to change the meaning of what people
write:

newsreader software does.

I am not using any newsreader software.

http://makeashorterlink.com/?P2264129A

The way to the truth is straight and narrow:

http://makeashorterlink.com/?A2642108A

Again, Lord Christ teaches from Matthew 5:

11Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely
say all kinds of evil against you because of me. 12Rejoice and be glad,
because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they
persecuted the prophets who were before you.

You will remain in my prayers, dear neighbor, whom I love, in Lord
Christ's holy name.

May you reject your pride and accept Him as your personal Lord and
Savior, someday, so that you too will have eternal life and the
fascinating riches of His everlasting kingdom.

Here's how:

http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129

Please note that God truly made this special link describing that He is
the great "I am" and that His message is as simple as the number 2 which
is a number between 1 to 9 and reminds us of His 2 commandments, the 2
arms of the cross, the 2nd part of the Trinity, the 2 finger sign of the
Prince of Peace [who remains *V*ictorious over death and satan], and the
2PD-OMER Approach. Let it not ever be written that Christ did not make
His presence known here on Usenet :-)

Also, note that Exodus 16:16 continues to remind us that 16 oz plus 16
oz makes 2 pounds, which is "a certain measure of weight," which is what
"omer" literally means in Hebrew.

Enter the 2PD-OMER Approach, which can "cure" metabolic syndrome (MetS)
thereby bringing this thread back on topic in these NGs :-)

http://www.heartmdphd.com/wtloss.asp

At His service,

Andrew

--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist

**
Suggested Reading:

(1) http://makeashorterlink.com/?G1D5217EA
(2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?B5CE25FFA
(3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A
(4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A
(5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A
(6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A
(7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129

"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...
(...)

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

"The truth is elusive for the untruthful."

you have not found it, I see.

As if you would discern it.

Nice personal attack.

Jeff

(...)

Jeff said:

"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...
(...)

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> "The truth is elusive for the untruthful."

you have not found it, I see.

As if you would discern it.

Nice personal attack.

"The untruthful often feel attacked by the truth."

http://makeashorterlink.com/?P2264129A

The way to the truth is straight and narrow:

http://makeashorterlink.com/?A2642108A

You will remain in my prayers, dear Jeff whom I love, in Lord Christ's
holy name.

May you reject your pride and accept Him as your personal Lord and
Savior, someday, so that you too will have eternal life and the
fascinating riches of His everlasting kingdom.

Here's how:

http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129

Please note that God truly made this special link describing that He is
the great "I am" and that His message is as simple as the number 2 which
is a number between 1 to 9 and reminds us of His 2 commandments, the 2
arms of the cross, the 2nd part of the Trinity, the 2 finger sign of the
Prince of Peace [who remains *V*ictorious over death and satan], and the
2PD-OMER Approach. Let it not ever be written that Christ did not make
His presence known here on Usenet :-)

Also, note that Exodus 16:16 continues to remind us that 16 oz plus 16
oz makes 2 pounds, which is "a certain measure of weight," which is what
"omer" literally means in Hebrew.

Enter the 2PD-OMER Approach, which can "cure" metabolic syndrome (MetS)
thereby bringing this thread back on topic in these NGs :-)

http://www.heartmdphd.com/wtloss.asp

At His service,

Andrew

--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist

**
Suggested Reading:

(1) http://makeashorterlink.com/?G1D5217EA
(2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?B5CE25FFA
(3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A
(4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A
(5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A
(6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A
(7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129

"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Jeff said:

"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...
(...)

Quoted message said:

> > "The truth is elusive for the untruthful."
>
> you have not found it, I see.

As if you would discern it.

Nice personal attack.

"The untruthful often feel attacked by the truth."

I don't feel I am being attacked by anyone.

Perhaps you feel you are being attacked by the truth.

BTW, Whom are you quoting?

Jeff

<trash removed>

Jeff said:

"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Jeff said:

"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...
> Jeff wrote:
>>
>> > Jeff wrote:
>> >>
>> >> "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
>> >> news:[email hidden]...
>> >>
>> >> <...>
>> >>
>> >> >> Once again, Chung the coward illustrates his true nature, by
>> >> >> intentionally
>> >> >> changing the meaning of a post by snipping it selectively.
>> >> >
>> >> > The Lord has not given me the power to change the meaning of
>> >> > Usenet
>> >> > posts by others:
>> >>
>> >> no, but the newsreader you are using has.
>>
>> [censored].
>
> You seem to be arguing with yourself.

I see you have edited my post without indicating that fact.

It seems you are having a visual hallucination.

One quick look will at the history of this thread will show that your
conclusion is incorrect.

Observations are not conclusions.

Quoted message said:

Is that the best defense of you behaviors you can come up with?

"Those who are with the truth are shielded by the armor of God."

http://makeashorterlink.com/?P2264129A

The way to the truth is straight and narrow:

http://makeashorterlink.com/?A2642108A

You will remain in my prayers, dear Jeff whom I love, in Lord Christ's
holy name.

May you reject your pride and accept Him as your personal Lord and
Savior, someday, so that you too will have eternal life and the
fascinating riches of His everlasting kingdom.

Here's how:

http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129

Please note that God truly made this special link describing that He is
the great "I am" and that His message is as simple as the number 2 which
is a number between 1 to 9 and reminds us of His 2 commandments, the 2
arms of the cross, the 2nd part of the Trinity, the 2 finger sign of the
Prince of Peace [who remains *V*ictorious over death and satan], and the
2PD-OMER Approach. Let it not ever be written that Christ did not make
His presence known here on Usenet :-)

Also, note that Exodus 16:16 continues to remind us that 16 oz plus 16
oz makes 2 pounds, which is "a certain measure of weight," which is what
"omer" literally means in Hebrew.

Enter the 2PD-OMER Approach, which can "cure" metabolic syndrome (MetS)
thereby bringing this thread back on topic in these NGs :-)

http://www.heartmdphd.com/wtloss.asp

At His service,

Andrew

--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist

**
Suggested Reading:

(1) http://makeashorterlink.com/?G1D5217EA
(2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?B5CE25FFA
(3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A
(4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A
(5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A
(6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A
(7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129

Jeff said:

<snip>

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Without the Lord, there can only be sadness.

The Lord also asks that you do not bear false witness. The way that you are
editing other people's comments, like mine, is bearing false witness.

"Self-worshippers often hold their words to be sacred."

http://makeashorterlink.com/?P2264129A

The way to the truth is straight and narrow:

http://makeashorterlink.com/?A2642108A

You will remain in my prayers, dear Jeff whom I love, in Lord Christ's
holy name.

May you reject your pride and accept Him as your personal Lord and
Savior, someday, so that you too will have eternal life and the
fascinating riches of His everlasting kingdom.

Here's how:

http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129

Please note that God truly made this special link describing that He is
the great "I am" and that His message is as simple as the number 2 which
is a number between 1 to 9 and reminds us of His 2 commandments, the 2
arms of the cross, the 2nd part of the Trinity, the 2 finger sign of the
Prince of Peace [who remains *V*ictorious over death and satan], and the
2PD-OMER Approach. Let it not ever be written that Christ did not make
His presence known here on Usenet :-)

Also, note that Exodus 16:16 continues to remind us that 16 oz plus 16
oz makes 2 pounds, which is "a certain measure of weight," which is what
"omer" literally means in Hebrew.

Enter the 2PD-OMER Approach, which can "cure" metabolic syndrome (MetS)
thereby bringing this thread back on topic in these NGs :-)

http://www.heartmdphd.com/wtloss.asp

At His service,

Andrew

--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist

**
Suggested Reading:

(1) http://makeashorterlink.com/?G1D5217EA
(2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?B5CE25FFA
(3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A
(4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A
(5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A
(6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A
(7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129