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  1. Bob (this one) said:


    Andrew B. Chung said:
    Jeff said:

    "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    >Jeff wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    The truth is that if we know the average size of the portion or a particular
    product at McDonalds, we can use this weight as the size of the portion.

    That would depend on the variance. Ime, the variance in weight of the
    entire meal at McDonalds is large.

    Well, your *amateur* and *subjective* estimation is wrong.

    It was not an estimate. I have and will continue to weigh the meals
    that I eat:

    http://makeashorterlink.com/?P2264129A

    The way to the truth is straight and narrow:

    http://makeashorterlink.com/?A2642108A

    You will remain in my prayers, dear Bob whom I love, in Christ's holy
    name.

    May you reject your pride and accept Him as your personal Lord and
    Savior, someday, so that you too will have eternal life and the
    fascinating riches of His everlasting kingdom.

    Here's how:

    http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129

    Please note that God truly made this special link describing that He is
    the great "I am" and that His message is as simple as the number 2 which
    is a number between 1 to 9 and reminds us of His 2 commandments, the 2
    arms of the cross, the 2nd part of the Trinity, the 2 finger sign of the
    Prince of Peace [who remains *V*ictorious over death and satan], and the
    2PD-OMER Approach. Let it not ever be written that Christ did not make
    His presence known here on Usenet :-)

    Also, note that Exodus 16:16 continues to remind us that 16 oz plus 16
    oz makes 2 pounds, which is "a certain measure of weight," which is what
    "omer" literally means in Hebrew.

    Enter the 2PD-OMER Approach, which can "cure" metabolic syndrome (MetS)
    thereby bringing this thread back on topic for these NGs :-)

    http://www.heartmdphd.com/wtloss.asp

    At His service,

    Andrew

    --
    Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
    Board-Certified Cardiologist

    **
    Suggested Reading:
    (1) http://makeashorterlink.com/?L26062048
    (2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?B2B851EFA
    (3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A
    (4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A
    (5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A
    (6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A
    (7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129

  2. GaryG said:


    Sorry for the top-post, but it's getting kind of long.

    Bob does tend to get long-winded about things he worships:

    http://makeashorterlink.com/?P2264129A

    The way to the truth is straight and narrow:

    http://makeashorterlink.com/?A2642108A

    You will remain in my prayers, dear Gary whom I love, in Christ's holy
    name.

    May you reject your pride and accept Him as your personal Lord and
    Savior, someday, so that you too will have eternal life and the
    fascinating riches of His everlasting kingdom.

    Here's how:

    http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129

    Please note that God truly made this special link describing that He is
    the great "I am" and that His message is as simple as the number 2 which
    is a number between 1 to 9 and reminds us of His 2 commandments, the 2
    arms of the cross, the 2nd part of the Trinity, the 2 finger sign of the
    Prince of Peace [who remains *V*ictorious over death and satan], and the
    2PD-OMER Approach. Let it not ever be written that Christ did not make
    His presence known here on Usenet :-)

    Also, note that Exodus 16:16 continues to remind us that 16 oz plus 16
    oz makes 2 pounds, which is "a certain measure of weight," which is what
    "omer" literally means in Hebrew.

    Enter the 2PD-OMER Approach, which can "cure" metabolic syndrome (MetS)
    thereby bringing this thread back on topic for these NGs :-)

    http://www.heartmdphd.com/wtloss.asp

    At His service,

    Andrew

    --
    Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
    Board-Certified Cardiologist

    **
    Suggested Reading:
    (1) http://makeashorterlink.com/?L26062048
    (2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?B2B851EFA
    (3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A
    (4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A
    (5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A
    (6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A
    (7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129

  3. No. It means we've read Bob Pastorio's position before and have found
    nothing new (shrug). It never ceases to amaze me how untruthful folks
    tend to believe that they can counter someone else's experiences with
    their own.

    Such is truth's effect on the untruthful:

    http://makeashorterlink.com/?P2264129A

    The way to the truth is straight and narrow:

    http://makeashorterlink.com/?A2642108A

    You will remain in my prayers, dear neighbor whom I love, in Christ's
    holy name.

    May you reject your pride and accept Him as your personal Lord and
    Savior, someday, so that you too will have eternal life and the
    fascinating riches of His everlasting kingdom.

    Here's how:

    http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129

    Please note that God truly made this special link describing that He is
    the great "I am" and that His message is as simple as the number 2 which
    is a number between 1 to 9 and reminds us of His 2 commandments, the 2
    arms of the cross, the 2nd part of the Trinity, the 2 finger sign of the
    Prince of Peace [who remains *V*ictorious over death and satan], and the
    2PD-OMER Approach. Let it not ever be written that Christ did not make
    His presence known here on Usenet :-)

    Also, note that Exodus 16:16 continues to remind us that 16 oz plus 16
    oz makes 2 pounds, which is "a certain measure of weight," which is what
    "omer" literally means in Hebrew.

    Enter the 2PD-OMER Approach, which can "cure" metabolic syndrome (MetS)
    thereby bringing this thread back on topic for these NGs :-)

    http://www.heartmdphd.com/wtloss.asp

    At His service,

    Andrew

    --
    Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
    Board-Certified Cardiologist

    **
    Suggested Reading:
    (1) http://makeashorterlink.com/?L26062048
    (2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?B2B851EFA
    (3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A
    (4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A
    (5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A
    (6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A
    (7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129

    GaryG said:


    Or, to put it another way...."la-la-la-la...I'm not
    listening!...la-la-la-la"

    Thanks for the laugh, Andy.

    GG

    "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    In conclusion:

    "Men (and women) can't win arguments... The truth **wins** arguments."

    http://makeashorterlink.com/?P2264129A

    The way to the truth is straight and narrow:

    http://makeashorterlink.com/?A2642108A

    You will remain in my prayers, dear Bob whom I love, in Lord Christ's
    holy name.

    May you reject your pride and accept Him as your personal Lord and
    Savior, someday, so that you too will have eternal life and the
    fascinating riches of His everlasting kingdom.

    Here's how:

    http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129

    Please note that God truly made this special link describing that He is
    the great "I am" and that His message is as simple as the number 2 which
    is a number between 1 to 9 and reminds us of His 2 commandments, the 2
    arms of the cross, the 2nd part of the Trinity, the 2 finger sign of the
    Prince of Peace [who remains *V*ictorious over death and satan], and the
    2PD-OMER Approach. Let it not ever be written that Christ did not make
    His presence known here on Usenet :-)

    Also, note that Exodus 16:16 continues to remind us that 16 oz plus 16
    oz makes 2 pounds, which is "a certain measure of weight," which is what
    "omer" literally means in Hebrew.

    Enter the 2PD-OMER Approach, which can "cure" metabolic syndrome (MetS)
    thereby bringing this thread back on topic in these NGs :-)

    http://www.heartmdphd.com/wtloss.asp

    At His service,

    Andrew

    --
    Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
    Board-Certified Cardiologist

    **
    Suggested Reading:

    (1) http://makeashorterlink.com/?G1D5217EA
    (2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?B5CE25FFA
    (3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A
    (4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A
    (5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A
    (6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A
    (7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129

    Bob (this one) said:


    Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
    > "Bob (this one)" wrote:
    >
    >>Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
    >>
    >>>Jeff wrote:
    >>>
    >>>>"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    >>>>news:[email hidden]...
    >>>>
    >>>>>GaryG wrote:
    >>>>>
    >>>>>>"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    >>>>>>news:[email hidden]...
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>>You may certainly choose to dovetail the McDonald's Diet with the
    >>>>>>>2PD-OMER Approach.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>How does that work in practice?
    >>>>>
    >>>>>You weigh the food that you eat at McDonald's.
    >>>>
    >>>>Actually, you only have to weight it once. Every Big Mac weighs


    about the

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >>>>same. And every medium fries weighs the same. As long as you know


    what each

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >>>>item weighs, you don't need to weigh each time.
    >>>
    >>>You would be surprised at the variability in weight (30-40%).
    >>
    >>Oh, sure. So a Big Mac can weigh anything from 4.68 ounces to 10.92
    >>ounces. 40% under and over the spec weight of 7.8 ounces...
    >
    > The variability of each food item is less but add them together in a
    > meal and the variability adds up, dear Bob.

    I'm going to interpret that standard, evasive non-answer as a yes. Based
    solely on your absolute record of never conceding error. So it would be
    possible to get a Big Mac that weighed 4.68 ounces in the same bag that
    had one that weighed 10.92 ounces? Or that a portion of fries would vary
    by 40% up or down? Or their apple pies that come already packaged. Or
    their chicken nuggets, or their yogurts or their milkshakes...

    Of course, that's utter nonsense. Even if the employees tried, to cram
    almost 11 ounces into a Big Mac bun would make it unwrappable with the
    sheets they use and unclosable in their boxes. It would have to be
    lettuce, tomato and sauce, since buns and patties come already
    portioned. <LOL> Right...

    The containers, into which they put unportioned products (salads,
    milkshakes, etc.), are sized to prevent overportioning.

    > Any scientist would have known this but then again, you are a cook and
    > not a scientist.

    <LOL> You keep trying to make "cook" into a bad word, trivialize it. And
    you say it as though my 13 years at university level study never
    happened. Poor guy can't make it on the facts, so do innuendo and
    implications. A scientist in anyone who tests ideas against evidence.
    Anyone can be a scientist. It's about how one does things, not about the
    subject of what one does.

    Any scientist or mathematician would understand "reversion to the mean"
    in a series with variables. As you clearly do not.

    I notice you snipped all the other foodservice companies with their
    standards measured to the gram. I assume you did that because you have
    no information that even distantly challenges their performance against
    these standards except your *unprofessional* guesswork.

    > If you weighed your **meals** from these restaurants,

    Funny thing. I did when I was a consultant to Pepsico and visited
    several different corporate franchises (Long John's, Pizza hut, etc.)
    and performed surprise spot checks that included weighing prepared food
    items. We found a variability of less than 3% from standard. And if you
    permit tolerances to build in the same direction (a statistical
    virtual-zero likelihood) and ordered 3 foods (the average from ala carte
    menus), it would total less than 10% variation from spec.

    I've also weighed foods and whole meals from other foodservice companies
    to try to calculate their costs and their operating methods for the past
    30 years. And all my operations had very stringently weighed portions.

    > you would have observed this

    Nah. I would have observed what I've already said would be the case.
    My *professional* experience says your *amateur* guesswork is simply
    wrong. In three decades of portioning by weight and consulting with
    other foodservice operations that did the same, the variance from
    defined and designed standard never exceeded 5% in surprise testing, and
    that only in new-staff situations.

    > but then again you are a food worshipper

    What a profoundly stupid thing to say. Do you picture in your crabbed
    little mind some altar with candles and incense burning to some
    souffles? Does one kowtow to a plate of linguine? Or do happy maypole
    dances around the meatloaf? How simply unintelligent an assertion.

    For an alternative view of this fixation on food; one might be so
    occupied with food as to constantly weigh and estimate weights and
    impose on hosts with uniquely unsettling requests to weigh *one*
    person's food at a dinner party. And that preoccupation makes one eat
    only part of meals in restaurants and take the rest home to weigh and
    subtract from that total already consumed today. That little notebook
    (who can remember every little thing they've eaten all day and the exact
    weight it carried except someone in the raging throes of full-blown OCD)
    with the jottings of every dot and dittle consumed must run to
    encyclopedic size in fairly short order.

    > who has likely
    > vowed never to weigh your meals per the 2PD-OMER Approach.

    I don't do ill-conceived, unbalanced (in several ways) diets like yours.
    They're just as stupid as your assertion that someone could "worship"
    food. I don't vow not to do stupid things; I just don't do them.

    > Iow, it would be contrary to your "religion."

    This is merely hilarious in a chillingly bizarre way. As though religion
    (Webster's Unabridged - belief in a divine or superhuman power or powers
    to be obeyed and worshipped as the creator(s) and ruler(s) of the
    universe.) could refer to an inert mass created by a "worshipper." What
    a trivialization of an idea. Humpty-Dumpty Chunglish prostitution of the
    language.

    "When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone,
    "it means just what I choose it to mean-neither more nor less."
    "The question is, " said Alice, "whether you can make words mean so
    many different things."
    "The question is," said Humpty Dumpty. "which is to be master-that's
    all."

    Chung is "master" of his words. They mean what he wants them to no
    matter what anyone else says. Like Oxford and Webster.

    Pastorio

  4. "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Jeff said:


    "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Jeff wrote:
    >


    (...)

    Quoted message said:

    > > In two words:
    > >
    > > wishful thinking
    >
    > Wow!

    Glad the truth amazes you :-)

    That you continue to be totally intellectually dishonest with the way you
    selectively edit my statements amazes me.

    It remains my choice to cross only the bridges I reach.

    Sorry that bothers you:

    Cross whatever bridges you like. But don't bear false witness about those
    you don't.

    No one forces you to participate in this forum.

    Being honest is a choice you may make as well.

    Jeff

    Quoted message said:

    http://makeashorterlink.com/?P2264129A

    The way to the truth is straight and narrow:

    http://makeashorterlink.com/?A2642108A

    You will remain in my prayers, dear Jeff whom I love, in Lord Christ's
    holy name.

    May you reject your pride and accept Him as your personal Lord and
    Savior, someday, so that you too will have eternal life and the
    fascinating riches of His everlasting kingdom.

    Here's how:

    http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129

    Please note that God truly made this special link describing that He is
    the great "I am" and that His message is as simple as the number 2 which
    is a number between 1 to 9 and reminds us of His 2 commandments, the 2
    arms of the cross, the 2nd part of the Trinity, the 2 finger sign of the
    Prince of Peace [who remains *V*ictorious over death and satan], and the
    2PD-OMER Approach. Let it not ever be written that Christ did not make
    His presence known here on Usenet :-)

    Also, note that Exodus 16:16 continues to remind us that 16 oz plus 16
    oz makes 2 pounds, which is "a certain measure of weight," which is what
    "omer" literally means in Hebrew.

    Enter the 2PD-OMER Approach, which can "cure" metabolic syndrome (MetS)
    thereby bringing this thread back on topic in these NGs :-)

    http://www.heartmdphd.com/wtloss.asp

    At His service,

    Andrew

    --
    Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
    Board-Certified Cardiologist

    **
    Suggested Reading:

    (1) http://makeashorterlink.com/?G1D5217EA
    (2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?B5CE25FFA
    (3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A
    (4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A
    (5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A
    (6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A
    (7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129

  5. In conclusion:

    "Men (and women) can't win arguments... the truth **wins** arguments."

    Truth is simple:

    http://makeashorterlink.com/?P2264129A

    The way to the truth is straight and narrow:

    http://makeashorterlink.com/?A2642108A

    You will remain in my prayers, dear Jeff whom I love, in Christ's holy
    name.

    May you reject your pride and accept Him as your personal Lord and
    Savior, someday, so that you too will have eternal life and the
    fascinating riches of His everlasting kingdom.

    Here's how:

    http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129

    Please note that God truly made this special link describing that He is
    the great "I am" and that His message is as simple as the number 2 which
    is a number between 1 to 9 and reminds us of His 2 commandments, the 2
    arms of the cross, the 2nd part of the Trinity, the 2 finger sign of the
    Prince of Peace [who remains *V*ictorious over death and satan], and the
    2PD-OMER Approach. Let it not ever be written that Christ did not make
    His presence known here on Usenet :-)

    Also, note that Exodus 16:16 continues to remind us that 16 oz plus 16
    oz makes 2 pounds, which is "a certain measure of weight," which is what
    "omer" literally means in Hebrew.

    Enter the 2PD-OMER Approach, which can "cure" metabolic syndrome (MetS)
    thereby bringing this thread back on topic for these NGs :-)

    http://www.heartmdphd.com/wtloss.asp

    At His service,

    Andrew

    --
    Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
    Board-Certified Cardiologist

    **
    Suggested Reading:
    (1) http://makeashorterlink.com/?L26062048
    (2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?B2B851EFA
    (3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A
    (4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A
    (5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A
    (6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A
    (7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129

    Jeff said:


    "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Jeff said:


    "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...
    > Jeff wrote:
    >>
    (...)

    >> > In two words:
    >> >
    >> > wishful thinking
    >>
    >> Wow!
    >
    > Glad the truth amazes you :-)

    That you continue to be totally intellectually dishonest with the way you
    selectively edit my statements amazes me.

    It remains my choice to cross only the bridges I reach.

    Sorry that bothers you:

    Cross whatever bridges you like. But don't bear false witness about those
    you don't.

    No one forces you to participate in this forum.

    Being honest is a choice you may make as well.

    Jeff

    Quoted message said:

    http://makeashorterlink.com/?P2264129A

    The way to the truth is straight and narrow:

    http://makeashorterlink.com/?A2642108A

    You will remain in my prayers, dear Jeff whom I love, in Lord Christ's
    holy name.

    May you reject your pride and accept Him as your personal Lord and
    Savior, someday, so that you too will have eternal life and the
    fascinating riches of His everlasting kingdom.

    Here's how:

    http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129

    Please note that God truly made this special link describing that He is
    the great "I am" and that His message is as simple as the number 2 which
    is a number between 1 to 9 and reminds us of His 2 commandments, the 2
    arms of the cross, the 2nd part of the Trinity, the 2 finger sign of the
    Prince of Peace [who remains *V*ictorious over death and satan], and the
    2PD-OMER Approach. Let it not ever be written that Christ did not make
    His presence known here on Usenet :-)

    Also, note that Exodus 16:16 continues to remind us that 16 oz plus 16
    oz makes 2 pounds, which is "a certain measure of weight," which is what
    "omer" literally means in Hebrew.

    Enter the 2PD-OMER Approach, which can "cure" metabolic syndrome (MetS)
    thereby bringing this thread back on topic in these NGs :-)

    http://www.heartmdphd.com/wtloss.asp

    At His service,

    Andrew

    --
    Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
    Board-Certified Cardiologist

    **
    Suggested Reading:

    (1) http://makeashorterlink.com/?G1D5217EA
    (2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?B5CE25FFA
    (3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A
    (4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A
    (5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A
    (6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A
    (7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129

    --
    At His service,

    Andrew

    --
    Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
    Board-Certified Cardiologist

    **
    Suggested Reading:
    (1) http://makeashorterlink.com/?L26062048
    (2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?B2B851EFA
    (3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A
    (4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A
    (5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A
    (6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A
    (7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129

  6. Bob (this one) said:


    Andrew B. Chung said:

    As if rearranging words can change the truth.

    <LOL>

    And so you despair:

    http://makeashorterlink.com/?P2264129A

    The way to the truth is straight and narrow:

    http://makeashorterlink.com/?A2642108A

    Again, Lord Christ teaches from Matthew 5:

    11Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely
    say all kinds of evil against you because of me. 12Rejoice and be glad,
    because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they
    persecuted the prophets who were before you.

    You will remain in my prayers, dear Bob whom I love, in Lord Christ's
    holy name.

    May you reject your pride and accept Him as your personal Lord and
    Savior, someday, so that you too will have eternal life and the
    fascinating riches of His everlasting kingdom.

    Here's how:

    http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129

    Please note that God truly made this special link describing that He is
    the great "I am" and that His message is as simple as the number 2 which
    is a number between 1 to 9 and reminds us of His 2 commandments, the 2
    arms of the cross, the 2nd part of the Trinity, the 2 finger sign of the
    Prince of Peace [who remains *V*ictorious over death and satan], and the
    2PD-OMER Approach. Let it not ever be written that Christ did not make
    His presence known here on Usenet :-)

    Also, note that Exodus 16:16 continues to remind us that 16 oz plus 16
    oz makes 2 pounds, which is "a certain measure of weight," which is what
    "omer" literally means in Hebrew.

    Enter the 2PD-OMER Approach, which can "cure" metabolic syndrome (MetS)
    thereby bringing this thread back on topic in these NGs :-)

    http://www.heartmdphd.com/wtloss.asp

    At His service,

    Andrew

    --
    Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
    Board-Certified Cardiologist

    **
    Suggested Reading:

    (1) http://makeashorterlink.com/?G1D5217EA
    (2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?B5CE25FFA
    (3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A
    (4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A
    (5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A
    (6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A
    (7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129

  7. Bob (this one) said:


    Andrew B. Chung said:
    Bob (this one) said:

    Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:

    >Jeff wrote:
    >
    >>"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    >>news:[email hidden]...
    >>
    >>>Jeff wrote:

    >>The truth is that if we know the average size of the portion or a particular
    >>product at McDonalds, we can use this weight as the size of the portion.
    >
    >That would depend on the variance. Ime, the variance in weight of the
    >entire meal at McDonalds is large.

    Well, your *amateur* and *subjective* estimation is wrong.

    It was not an estimate. I have and will continue to weigh the meals
    that I eat:

    Then you're either lying or incompetent with a scale.

    Neither.

    Quoted message said:

    Likely, both,
    given the rest of your demonstrations.

    It remains my experience.

    Quoted message said:

    I love how 2PD no longer stands for 2 Pound *Diet* -

    Actually it still does when part of "2PD-OMER Approach"

    Quoted message said:

    just like when you
    say above "IME," it no longer means "In My Estimation."

    **Ime** has alway been "In my experience" for me.

    Quoted message said:

    Humpty Dumpty Chunglish. The perversion of the English language.
    Intellectual prostitution.

    Sorry my being truthful bothers you.

    Quoted message said:

    <LOL> What a clown you are. A foolish, foolish, transparent clown.

    "Written laughter is silent despair"

    Without Christ there is only despair.

    Truth is simple:

    http://makeashorterlink.com/?P2264129A

    The way to the truth is straight and narrow:

    http://makeashorterlink.com/?A2642108A

    Again, Lord Christ teaches from Matthew 5:

    11Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely
    say all kinds of evil against you because of me. 12Rejoice and be glad,
    because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they
    persecuted the prophets who were before you.

    You will remain in my prayers, dear neighbor, whom I love, in Lord
    Christ's holy name.

    May you reject your pride and accept Him as your personal Lord and
    Savior, someday, so that you too will have eternal life and the
    fascinating riches of His everlasting kingdom.

    Here's how:

    http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129

    Please note that God truly made this special link describing that He is
    the great "I am" and that His message is as simple as the number 2 which
    is a number between 1 to 9 and reminds us of His 2 commandments, the 2
    arms of the cross, the 2nd part of the Trinity, the 2 finger sign of the
    Prince of Peace [who remains *V*ictorious over death and satan], and the
    2PD-OMER Approach. Let it not ever be written that Christ did not make
    His presence known here on Usenet :-)

    Also, note that Exodus 16:16 continues to remind us that 16 oz plus 16
    oz makes 2 pounds, which is "a certain measure of weight," which is what
    "omer" literally means in Hebrew.

    Enter the 2PD-OMER Approach, which can "cure" metabolic syndrome (MetS)
    thereby bringing this thread back on topic in these NGs :-)

    http://www.heartmdphd.com/wtloss.asp

    At His service,

    Andrew

    --
    Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
    Board-Certified Cardiologist

    **
    Suggested Reading:

    (1) http://makeashorterlink.com/?G1D5217EA
    (2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?B5CE25FFA
    (3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A
    (4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A
    (5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A
    (6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A
    (7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129

  8. Bob (this one) said:


    Andrew B. Chung said:
    GaryG said:

    Sorry for the top-post, but it's getting kind of long.

    Bob does tend to get long-winded about things he worships:

    Bwah...

    Sorry the truth hurts you:

    http://makeashorterlink.com/?P2264129A

    The way to the truth is straight and narrow:

    http://makeashorterlink.com/?A2642108A

    Again, Lord Christ teaches from Matthew 5:

    11Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely
    say all kinds of evil against you because of me. 12Rejoice and be glad,
    because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they
    persecuted the prophets who were before you.

    You will remain in my prayers, dear Bob whom I love, in Lord Christ's
    holy name.

    May you reject your pride and accept Him as your personal Lord and
    Savior, someday, so that you too will have eternal life and the
    fascinating riches of His everlasting kingdom.

    Here's how:

    http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129

    Please note that God truly made this special link describing that He is
    the great "I am" and that His message is as simple as the number 2 which
    is a number between 1 to 9 and reminds us of His 2 commandments, the 2
    arms of the cross, the 2nd part of the Trinity, the 2 finger sign of the
    Prince of Peace [who remains *V*ictorious over death and satan], and the
    2PD-OMER Approach. Let it not ever be written that Christ did not make
    His presence known here on Usenet :-)

    Also, note that Exodus 16:16 continues to remind us that 16 oz plus 16
    oz makes 2 pounds, which is "a certain measure of weight," which is what
    "omer" literally means in Hebrew.

    Enter the 2PD-OMER Approach, which can "cure" metabolic syndrome (MetS)
    thereby bringing this thread back on topic in these NGs :-)

    http://www.heartmdphd.com/wtloss.asp

    At His service,

    Andrew

    --
    Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
    Board-Certified Cardiologist

    **
    Suggested Reading:

    (1) http://makeashorterlink.com/?G1D5217EA
    (2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?B5CE25FFA
    (3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A
    (4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A
    (5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A
    (6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A
    (7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129

  9. Bob (this one) said:


    Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:

    Rearranged for truth. Macro dumped.

    No amount of rearranging or dumping will change the truth:

    http://makeashorterlink.com/?P2264129A

    The way to the truth is straight and narrow:

    http://makeashorterlink.com/?A2642108A

    Again, Lord Christ teaches from Matthew 5:

    11Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely
    say all kinds of evil against you because of me. 12Rejoice and be glad,
    because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they
    persecuted the prophets who were before you.

    You will remain in my prayers, dear Bob whom I love, in Lord Christ's
    holy name.

    May you reject your pride and accept Him as your personal Lord and
    Savior, someday, so that you too will have eternal life and the
    fascinating riches of His everlasting kingdom.

    Here's how:

    http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129

    Please note that God truly made this special link describing that He is
    the great "I am" and that His message is as simple as the number 2 which
    is a number between 1 to 9 and reminds us of His 2 commandments, the 2
    arms of the cross, the 2nd part of the Trinity, the 2 finger sign of the
    Prince of Peace [who remains *V*ictorious over death and satan], and the
    2PD-OMER Approach. Let it not ever be written that Christ did not make
    His presence known here on Usenet :-)

    Also, note that Exodus 16:16 continues to remind us that 16 oz plus 16
    oz makes 2 pounds, which is "a certain measure of weight," which is what
    "omer" literally means in Hebrew.

    Enter the 2PD-OMER Approach, which can "cure" metabolic syndrome (MetS)
    thereby bringing this thread back on topic in these NGs :-)

    http://www.heartmdphd.com/wtloss.asp

    At His service,

    Andrew

    --
    Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
    Board-Certified Cardiologist

    **
    Suggested Reading:

    (1) http://makeashorterlink.com/?G1D5217EA
    (2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?B5CE25FFA
    (3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A
    (4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A
    (5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A
    (6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A
    (7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129

  10. "Bob (this one)" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Andrew B. Chung said:

    As if rearranging words can change the truth.

    <LOL> Of course it can. Like this: "As if rearranging truth can change
    the words." See how simple it is to change everything? And rearranging
    them can *reveal* the truth, as it did in my post.

    Here's what I wrote:
    "Rearranged without changing a word so Chung's irrelevant top post is
    correctly at the bottom to show how he dealt with the information
    presented. Sad little guy..."

    He top posted, as he does when he has nothing left to offer, and I put
    his post at the bottom so the progress of the topic could be followed
    more readily. And so the utter bankruptcy of Chung's intellectual and
    factual evasions could be appreciated in proper perspective.

    Or, as Chung has "justified" his cross-posting - "I did it for his
    convenience." Bwah...

    Poor sap Chung says that "TRUTH" is absolute and immutable. Real
    scientist, he is. Certainty with not a shred of proof. Certainty with
    not a shred of evidence. Oh, sure. Jesus told him on his "walks." The
    voices tell him things.

    That bizarre belief system of his would have others believe that he has
    an exclusive grasp on this TRUTH and any who don't agree are, by
    definition, wrong. Poster child for mental health, he is.

    Pastorio

    And, of course, anyone who disagrees with him is "in despair". Could he
    possibly be more self-centered?

    GG

  11. Andrew B. Chung said:
    Bob (this one) said:

    Rearranged for truth. Macro dumped.

    No amount of rearranging or dumping will change the truth:

    So why do you keep trying...?

    Pastorio

  12. Andrew B. Chung said:
    Bob (this one) said:
    Andrew B. Chung said:

    As if rearranging words can change the truth.

    <LOL>

    And so you despair:

    Right. I bet you just weep when a theater full of people laugh. Such
    despair.

    Silly Humpty-Dumpty fool

    Pastorio

  13. Andrew B. Chung said:
    Bob (this one) said:
    Andrew B. Chung said:

    "Bob (this one)" wrote:

    > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
    >
    >> Jeff wrote:
    >>
    >>> "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]> wrote in
    >>> message news:[email hidden]...
    >>>
    >>>> Jeff wrote:
    >
    >>> The truth is that if we know the average size of the
    >>> portion or a particular product at McDonalds, we can use
    >>> this weight as the size of the portion.
    >>
    >> That would depend on the variance. Ime, the variance in
    >> weight of the entire meal at McDonalds is large.
    >
    > Well, your *amateur* and *subjective* estimation is wrong.

    It was not an estimate. I have and will continue to weigh the
    meals that I eat:

    Then you're either lying or incompetent with a scale.

    Neither.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Likely, both, given the rest of your demonstrations.

    It remains my experience.

    Quoted message said:

    I love how 2PD no longer stands for 2 Pound *Diet* -

    Actually it still does when part of "2PD-OMER Approach"

    So it's a diet. What was so hard about acknowledging that?

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    just like when you say above "IME," it no longer means "In My
    Estimation."

    **Ime** has alway been "In my experience" for me.

    I'm sorry. It has just come to my attention that the last word on the
    subject is this: "It never ceases to amaze me how untruthful folks tend
    to believe that they can counter someone else's experiences with their
    own." Quoted from Slammin' Andy Chung.

    Since my experience is professional and yours is amateur (and
    amateurish), and patently fake, here are three more reasons why this is
    the [censored] it was initially identified as.

    Very interesting how someone who claims to be scientific and who claims
    to weigh everything he eats (oh, no that's not compulsive behavior!)
    says the variation at McDonald's will be 30% to 40% from spec. That's
    very precise, wouldn't you say? Scientific accuracy in action. Never
    mind that it would mean that they'd be bankrupt in very short order
    since pricing is predicated on exact portions and profit margins are
    small and based on enormous volume.

    If they were overportioning by 30%, it would mean a net loss of more
    than 25% on operations; you don't even want to consider what the case
    would be at 40%. But I bet that Chung thinks they'd make it up in
    volume, right?

    Fraud. Ignorant fraud.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Humpty Dumpty Chunglish. The perversion of the English language.
    Intellectual prostitution.

    Sorry my being truthful bothers you.

    As if. Truthful.

    For an extremely elastic definition of truth. That includes, for
    example, outright lying.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    <LOL> What a clown you are. A foolish, foolish, transparent clown.

    "Written laughter is silent despair"

    <LOLOL> Churlish Chung quotes himself and expects it to stand as though
    it were wise.

    And with his Jim Carrey rollicking sense of humor, zany Jerry Lewis
    style, and crisply intelligent PeeWee Herman knee-slapping goodwill,
    it's shocking that he wouldn't have grasped the mirth. Shocking, I tell
    you. Especially with all the laughter in his posts and beliefs.

    Silly Humpty-Dumpty fool

    Pastorio

  14. Andrew B. Chung said:
    Bob (this one) said:
    Andrew B. Chung said:

    GaryG wrote:

    >Sorry for the top-post, but it's getting kind of long.

    Bob does tend to get long-winded about things he worships:

    Bwah...


    Sorry the truth hurts you:

    <LOL> Nice new routine, Sparky. Don't leave any of the post to which you
    reply. That way your abject ridiculousness is minimized. And just throw
    in one of your ready-made smug insults, no matter the relevance.

    Here's what you took out. No need to thank me...
    This from the guy with likely the longest self-congratulatory sig
    file online. With self-praise leaking out of every line. With
    smugness and superciliousness about his superiority and wisdom
    punctuating his every link.

    So, longwindedness is indicative about what one worships? Poor,
    transparent, um, longwinded, talking-about-himself Chung...

    Wonderful, Zippy, how you *have to* reply to everything. How you *have
    to* get a shot in no matter how silly it is. How you *need* to reply.
    How you *must* reply. How *any* reply from you gets you a *win* in your
    fevered mind. Not at all *compulsive*, right...?

    Silly Humpty-Dumpty clown.

    Pastorio

  15. Bob (this one) said:


    Andrew B. Chung said:
    Bob (this one) said:

    Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:

    > "Bob (this one)" wrote:
    >
    >> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
    >>
    >>> Jeff wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]> wrote in
    >>>> message news:[email hidden]...
    >>>>
    >>>>> Jeff wrote:
    >>
    >>>> The truth is that if we know the average size of the
    >>>> portion or a particular product at McDonalds, we can use
    >>>> this weight as the size of the portion.
    >>>
    >>> That would depend on the variance. Ime, the variance in
    >>> weight of the entire meal at McDonalds is large.
    >>
    >> Well, your *amateur* and *subjective* estimation is wrong.
    >
    > It was not an estimate. I have and will continue to weigh the
    > meals that I eat:

    Then you're either lying or incompetent with a scale.

    Neither.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Likely, both, given the rest of your demonstrations.

    It remains my experience.

    Quoted message said:

    I love how 2PD no longer stands for 2 Pound *Diet* -

    Actually it still does when part of "2PD-OMER Approach"

    So it's a diet.

    No. It is a way to **approach** one's diet (ie Diet Approach). Indeed,
    it is dovetailed with a diet whether "normal" or otherwise.

    At His service,

    Andrew

    --
    Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
    Board-Certified Cardiologist

    **
    Suggested Reading:
    (1) http://makeashorterlink.com/?L26062048
    (2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?B2B851EFA
    (3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A
    (4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A
    (5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A
    (6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A
    (7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129

  16. Bob (this one) said:


    Andrew B. Chung said:
    Bob (this one) said:

    Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:

    >As if rearranging words can change the truth.

    <LOL>

    And so you despair:

    Right.

    Glad you agree :-)

    At His service,

    Andrew

    --
    Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
    Board-Certified Cardiologist

    **
    Suggested Reading:
    (1) http://makeashorterlink.com/?L26062048
    (2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?B2B851EFA
    (3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A
    (4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A
    (5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A
    (6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A
    (7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129

  17. Bob (this one) said:


    Andrew B. Chung said:
    Bob (this one) said:

    Rearranged for truth. Macro dumped.

    No amount of rearranging or dumping will change the truth:

    So why do you keep trying...?

    It seems you are writing to your own mirror reflection.

    At His service,

    Andrew

    --
    Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
    Board-Certified Cardiologist

    **
    Suggested Reading:
    (1) http://makeashorterlink.com/?L26062048
    (2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?B2B851EFA
    (3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A
    (4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A
    (5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A
    (6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A
    (7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129

  18. "Bob (this one)" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Andrew B. Chung said:
    Bob (this one) said:

    Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:

    >GaryG wrote:
    >
    >>Sorry for the top-post, but it's getting kind of long.
    >
    >Bob does tend to get long-winded about things he worships:

    Bwah...


    Sorry the truth hurts you:

    <LOL> Nice new routine, Sparky. Don't leave any of the post to which you
    reply. That way your abject ridiculousness is minimized. And just throw
    in one of your ready-made smug insults, no matter the relevance.

    Here's what you took out. No need to thank me...
    This from the guy with likely the longest self-congratulatory sig
    file online. With self-praise leaking out of every line. With
    smugness and superciliousness about his superiority and wisdom
    punctuating his every link.

    So, longwindedness is indicative about what one worships? Poor,
    transparent, um, longwinded, talking-about-himself Chung...

    Wonderful, Zippy, how you *have to* reply to everything. How you *have
    to* get a shot in no matter how silly it is. How you *need* to reply.
    How you *must* reply. How *any* reply from you gets you a *win* in your
    fevered mind. Not at all *compulsive*, right...?

    Silly Humpty-Dumpty clown.

    Pastorio

    LOL - in a thread last week, after we'd been back and forth ad infinitum (he
    had insulted a woman poster by inferring that she was mentally ill), I
    responded that we'd both made our positions known and that there was no
    reason to take the thread any further. He replied by crowing that I had
    been "vanquished by his Lord"...truly a self-worshipping loony tunes.

    It's all some sort of bizarre competition to him, and he truly *must* be
    right, and *must* have the last word every time. What a whack job he is.

    GG

  19. Bob (this one) said:


    Andrew B. Chung said:
    Bob (this one) said:

    Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:

    >GaryG wrote:
    >
    >>Sorry for the top-post, but it's getting kind of long.
    >
    >Bob does tend to get long-winded about things he worships:

    Bwah...


    Sorry the truth hurts you:

    <LOL>

    Without Lord Jesus Christ, there can only be despair.

    Truth is simple:

    http://makeashorterlink.com/?P2264129A

    The way to the truth is straight and narrow:

    http://makeashorterlink.com/?A2642108A

    You will remain in my prayers, dear Bob whom I love, in Christ's holy
    name.

    May you reject your pride and accept Him as your personal Lord and
    Savior, someday, so that you too will have eternal life and the
    fascinating riches of His everlasting kingdom.

    Here's how:

    http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129

    Please note that God truly made this special link describing that He is
    the great "I am" and that His message is as simple as the number 2 which
    is a number between 1 to 9 and reminds us of His 2 commandments, the 2
    arms of the cross, the 2nd part of the Trinity, the 2 finger sign of the
    Prince of Peace [who remains *V*ictorious over death and satan], and the
    2PD-OMER Approach. Let it not ever be written that Christ did not make
    His presence known here on Usenet :-)

    Also, note that Exodus 16:16 continues to remind us that 16 oz plus 16
    oz makes 2 pounds, which is "a certain measure of weight," which is what
    "omer" literally means in Hebrew.

    Enter the 2PD-OMER Approach, which can "cure" metabolic syndrome (MetS)
    thereby bringing this thread back on topic for these NGs :-)

    http://www.heartmdphd.com/wtloss.asp

    At His service,

    Andrew

    --
    Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
    Board-Certified Cardiologist

    **
    Suggested Reading:
    (1) http://makeashorterlink.com/?L26062048
    (2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?B2B851EFA
    (3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A
    (4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A
    (5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A
    (6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A
    (7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129

  20. GaryG said:


    "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Bob (this one) said:


    Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
    > "Bob (this one)" wrote:
    >
    >>Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
    >>
    >>>GaryG wrote:
    >>>
    >>>>Sorry for the top-post, but it's getting kind of long.
    >>>
    >>>Bob does tend to get long-winded about things he worships:
    >>
    >>Bwah...
    >>
    > Sorry the truth hurts you:

    <LOL>

    Without Lord Jesus Christ, there can only be despair.

    For you, perhaps <shrug>.

    Many others throughout the world and across time have manged just fine
    without that particular fairly tale.

    They are all either dead or dying.

    Meanwhile, Christ is risen as will all who have accepted Him as their
    personal Lord and Savior.

    Truth is simple:

    http://makeashorterlink.com/?P2264129A

    The way to the truth is straight and narrow:

    http://makeashorterlink.com/?A2642108A

    You will remain in my prayers, dear Gary whom I love, in Christ's holy
    name.

    May you reject your pride and accept Him as your personal Lord and
    Savior, someday, so that you too will have eternal life and the
    fascinating riches of His everlasting kingdom.

    Here's how:

    http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129

    Please note that God truly made this special link describing that He is
    the great "I am" and that His message is as simple as the number 2 which
    is a number between 1 to 9 and reminds us of His 2 commandments, the 2
    arms of the cross, the 2nd part of the Trinity, the 2 finger sign of the
    Prince of Peace [who remains *V*ictorious over death and satan], and the
    2PD-OMER Approach. Let it not ever be written that Christ did not make
    His presence known here on Usenet :-)

    Also, note that Exodus 16:16 continues to remind us that 16 oz plus 16
    oz makes 2 pounds, which is "a certain measure of weight," which is what
    "omer" literally means in Hebrew.

    Enter the 2PD-OMER Approach, which can "cure" metabolic syndrome (MetS)
    thereby bringing this thread back on topic for these NGs :-)

    http://www.heartmdphd.com/wtloss.asp

    At His service,

    Andrew

    --
    Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
    Board-Certified Cardiologist

    **
    Suggested Reading:
    (1) http://makeashorterlink.com/?L26062048
    (2) http://makeashorterlink.com/?B2B851EFA
    (3) http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1C62661A
    (4) http://makeashorterlink.com/?U1E13130A
    (5) http://makeashorterlink.com/?K6F72510A
    (6) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I24E5151A
    (7) http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129

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