Re: the more you look the more questions are raised



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Martin Wilson

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On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:19:10 -0000, jas0n <[email protected]> wrote:

>im after a basic strong (25stone .. last time im gonna mention it!!!)
>commuter bike with a wide range of gears ro carry my large bulk to work
>and back and the odd long day / weekend trip ...
>


Thats basically what I did last year and I also planned to get the
Kona Smoke. I actually started at 26 stone and shortly before I
started cycling I was as much as 27 stone. On Friday I weighed myself
and was 123kg which is about 19.3 stone so I'm getting there.

I ended up buying a cheap £60 steel framed mountain bike from ebay.
Many people on this forum weren't impressed but its done me proud. The
only geniune problem I can put down to the bike is the caged bearings
failing in the front wheel. I had a problem with the rear gears not
being properly adjusted and so the chain slipped between the freewheel
and spokes and damaged them. This was actually my fault and it would
be unfair to put this down to the bike.

Even though the bike only has 18 gears there is no problem going up
hills and the easiest gear is so easy that you're probably at walking
speed. Certainly going up hill can be so slow its hard to balance or
at least used to be.

The main problem I find is the lack of fast gearing which in some ways
is good because the bike is coasting beyond cadence speed and you can
use this time to have a breather from peddling which can be helpful.
However this does slow down the journey overall. If I was buying now I
would be more concerned with fast gearing.

Incredibly considering the weight I've put on the bike I've only had
one puncture and that was going through a village at speed and hitting
a large hole in the road which bits of rusty old barb wire had
collected in. If I hadn't been enjoying the scenary so much and
actually concentrated on the road I could have easily avoided it. I
changed the original mountain bike tyres for Schwalbe Cityjets
(26x1.5) They are still in good nick after over 1000 miles with well
over 20 stone on them most of the time.

The bike I bought weighed about 15.2kg which is heavier than the
average but still very respectable. It doesn't have any suspension at
all apart from a couple of springs at the back of the saddle. Which is
an upgraded saddle to suit my larger posterior.

I actually look forward to commuting by bike to and from work. I enjoy
the coming home bit more of course.

I feel loads better after shedding the weight. Muscles have increased
and I'm generally a much stronger person. I work a nightshift and
recently purchased a cheap laptop and decided to take it to work in my
backpack along with all my other stuff. The backpack probably weighed
in excess of 10kg fully loaded and yet was no problem going up a steep
1km+ hill (raises up 70metres over 900metres).

The only negative thing I can say is it doesn't do much for the arms.

One thing that can be disheartening is at first the weight comes off
rapidly but later the loss slows down as you become lighter. This
can't be helped because the extra weight at the beginning is obviously
helping you lose weight at first. When I first started I was losing
2kg a week. Now its more like 0.5kg on average. However don't think
you have to suffer rubbish food. I still pig out all the time and eat
more than 2 people most of the time and still manage to lose weight. I
tend to eat a lot at weekends but be frugal during the working week.
Last tuesday though I had six large pancakes dripping with treacle and
when I came back from work in the morning used up the remaining batter
to have a further 3 pancakes and still lost weight at the end of the
week.
 
Martin Wilson wrote:
> On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:19:10 -0000, jas0n <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>im after a basic strong (25stone .. last time im gonna mention it!!!)
>>commuter bike with a wide range of gears ro carry my large bulk to work
>>and back and the odd long day / weekend trip ...
>>

>
>
> Thats basically what I did last year and I also planned to get the
> Kona Smoke. I actually started at 26 stone and shortly before I
> started cycling I was as much as 27 stone. On Friday I weighed myself
> and was 123kg which is about 19.3 stone so I'm getting there.
>
> I ended up buying a cheap £60 steel framed mountain bike from ebay.
> Many people on this forum weren't impressed but its done me proud. The
> only geniune problem I can put down to the bike is the caged bearings
> failing in the front wheel. I had a problem with the rear gears not
> being properly adjusted and so the chain slipped between the freewheel
> and spokes and damaged them. This was actually my fault and it would
> be unfair to put this down to the bike.
>
> Even though the bike only has 18 gears there is no problem going up
> hills and the easiest gear is so easy that you're probably at walking
> speed. Certainly going up hill can be so slow its hard to balance or
> at least used to be.
>
> The main problem I find is the lack of fast gearing which in some ways
> is good because the bike is coasting beyond cadence speed and you can
> use this time to have a breather from peddling which can be helpful.
> However this does slow down the journey overall. If I was buying now I
> would be more concerned with fast gearing.
>
> Incredibly considering the weight I've put on the bike I've only had
> one puncture and that was going through a village at speed and hitting
> a large hole in the road which bits of rusty old barb wire had
> collected in. If I hadn't been enjoying the scenary so much and
> actually concentrated on the road I could have easily avoided it. I
> changed the original mountain bike tyres for Schwalbe Cityjets
> (26x1.5) They are still in good nick after over 1000 miles with well
> over 20 stone on them most of the time.
>
> The bike I bought weighed about 15.2kg which is heavier than the
> average but still very respectable. It doesn't have any suspension at
> all apart from a couple of springs at the back of the saddle. Which is
> an upgraded saddle to suit my larger posterior.
>
> I actually look forward to commuting by bike to and from work. I enjoy
> the coming home bit more of course.
>
> I feel loads better after shedding the weight. Muscles have increased
> and I'm generally a much stronger person. I work a nightshift and
> recently purchased a cheap laptop and decided to take it to work in my
> backpack along with all my other stuff. The backpack probably weighed
> in excess of 10kg fully loaded and yet was no problem going up a steep
> 1km+ hill (raises up 70metres over 900metres).
>
> The only negative thing I can say is it doesn't do much for the arms.
>
> One thing that can be disheartening is at first the weight comes off
> rapidly but later the loss slows down as you become lighter. This
> can't be helped because the extra weight at the beginning is obviously
> helping you lose weight at first. When I first started I was losing
> 2kg a week. Now its more like 0.5kg on average. However don't think
> you have to suffer rubbish food. I still pig out all the time and eat
> more than 2 people most of the time and still manage to lose weight. I
> tend to eat a lot at weekends but be frugal during the working week.
> Last tuesday though I had six large pancakes dripping with treacle and
> when I came back from work in the morning used up the remaining batter
> to have a further 3 pancakes and still lost weight at the end of the
> week.
>


Martin, pure inspiration ... thanks for sharing that. Im in a position
where I dont know anyone who's even close to where I am now with weight,
etc and all the people around me at their close to normal weight just
cannot understand, how can they.

Im in a sort of catch 22 situation with the weight and gout ... if I
maintain or put on weight I dont get gout. If I lose weight gout comes
on pretty quickly and is agony, it quickly kills any good intentions ive
steeled myself for as well as makes it impossible to walk, let alone
any other activity.

The doc this week has trebled my allopurinol subscription so were hoping
this will allow me to give it a good try. Im going to swim and cycle
to get an all over workout, in fact i'll go check out the cycle
facilities at my gym where I swim, its daft going by car when I could
easily cycle as its only a mile or so away and will get me started,
providing I can lock up the bike ....

hmmmm ...... Ive just thought of the perfect excuse for getting a
replacement bike that 'she who controls the wallet' cant argue with -
dont lock it up too well when I get there - lol .... bye bye bike, hello
perfect excuse for replacement. thats really low isnt it!

think i'll just stand up to her on this issue ;) !
 

>
>Martin, pure inspiration ... thanks for sharing that. Im in a position
>where I dont know anyone who's even close to where I am now with weight,
>etc and all the people around me at their close to normal weight just
>cannot understand, how can they.
>


Where I work almost the whole nightshift is obese the only exception
being a chap called felix from india who is the complete opposite and
really thin. I suppose he's the exception that makes the rule so to
speak. For quite a while I was by far the fatest there but I'm now in
second place. Only as I approach 40 has my weight started to be an
issue for me. I used to carry it well but last year I could feel the
body starting to slow down. I probably had two choices, sort myself
out with exercise or give in and end up as some sort of 40 stone
monstrosity featured in the pages of the Sun newspaper.

>Im in a sort of catch 22 situation with the weight and gout ... if I
>maintain or put on weight I dont get gout. If I lose weight gout comes
>on pretty quickly and is agony, it quickly kills any good intentions ive
> steeled myself for as well as makes it impossible to walk, let alone
>any other activity.
>


I don't know much about gout so had a quick look on the web and it
seems almost every site says weight loss will improve it. It says the
crystals formed because of the lower temperature in the feet so
perhaps you'll need to wear double pairs of thermal socks or something
to keep your feet super toasty at all times even in bed. Can you
reduce the inflammation by soaking your feet in hot water? I'm an all
weather cyclist and it can get cold out there especially with the wind
chill effect of cycling fast. The only person I know with gout is Mac
at work and he's not capable it seems of moving fast or doing anything
particularly fast but he's a good solid worker. Maybe this is caused
by gout or maybe his lack of vigorous fast movement causes it. I
really don't know. I do know though that somehow exercise seems to
help the body correct itself and cure minor problems. Losing weight
and increasing fitness can really do wonders.

>The doc this week has trebled my allopurinol subscription so were hoping
> this will allow me to give it a good try. Im going to swim and cycle
>to get an all over workout, in fact i'll go check out the cycle
>facilities at my gym where I swim, its daft going by car when I could
>easily cycle as its only a mile or so away and will get me started,
>providing I can lock up the bike ....
>


The kona smoke 2004 (not seen the 2005) wasn't the most stylish bike
with its all black design and naff looking mudguards so I reckon that
combined with a good lock should be sufficient. No one's particularly
interested in my pagan arrow bike. It looks like a £60 bike and thats
what it cost it probably has a black market value of a tenner or
something and isn't worth bothering with I hope. So far so good
anyway.

>hmmmm ...... Ive just thought of the perfect excuse for getting a
>replacement bike that 'she who controls the wallet' cant argue with -
>dont lock it up too well when I get there - lol .... bye bye bike, hello
>perfect excuse for replacement. thats really low isnt it!
>
>think i'll just stand up to her on this issue ;) !


I just keep buying bikes. I think my logic is I'm locking myself into
cycling as I hate to waste money so if I buy more bikes I'll have to
keep cycling. I've got 6 at the moment.

the pagan arrow (el cheapo non suspension mountain bike) has taken 26
stone no problem.

Kona lanai (hardtail mountain bike that is nice and light compared to
the pagan arrow and I've hardly ridden at all). Ridden it abit but
doesn't seem to cope that well with my weight. Max load meant to be
300lbs absolute max. So it should be ok with my weight but doesn't
feel quite ok. However rides very nice, better gears etc.

GT Timberline FS 1992 vintage. Knock about hardtail with decent
components and heavy duty chromoly frame. Not finished restoring but
seems super strong all round.

Giant Revive DX8 (maximum rider weight 19 stone but won't ride until
I'm 18.5 stone approx.)

dual suspension cheapie monstrosity that would have most forum members
gagging if they walked within 10 metres of it. Probably not safe to
ride with more than 16 stone on it.

Raleigh Royal Export, sports tourer/racer bike that I bought back in
the late 80s and probably not safe to ride on again until I'm 14-15
stone.

As you can see as I lose more weight more bikes become available to
me. I currently can only ride the pagan and gt and very light use of
the kona.
 
> I don't know much about gout so had a quick look on the web and it
> seems almost every site says weight loss will improve it. It says the
> crystals formed because of the lower temperature in the feet so
> perhaps you'll need to wear double pairs of thermal socks or something
> to keep your feet super toasty at all times even in bed. Can you
> reduce the inflammation by soaking your feet in hot water? I'm an all
> weather cyclist and it can get cold out there especially with the wind
> chill effect of cycling fast. The only person I know with gout is Mac
> at work and he's not capable it seems of moving fast or doing anything
> particularly fast but he's a good solid worker. Maybe this is caused
> by gout or maybe his lack of vigorous fast movement causes it. I
> really don't know. I do know though that somehow exercise seems to
> help the body correct itself and cure minor problems. Losing weight
> and increasing fitness can really do wonders.


I dont think foot temperature tends to be an issue for me, ive had an
accute attack even when been bed bound with a heavy cold and warm as
toast for a few days ... also where a lot seem to get it in the large
toe area I mainly get it in the ankles.

Once an acute attack is underway nothing other than heavy duty anti
inflamotory tablets seem to do anything to it, or just time. tried
everything. Although losing the weight and getting a good level of
fitness back can only be a good thing so looking forward to a much
improved time later in the year.

> The kona smoke 2004 (not seen the 2005) wasn't the most stylish bike
> with its all black design and naff looking mudguards so I reckon that
> combined with a good lock should be sufficient. No one's particularly
> interested in my pagan arrow bike. It looks like a £60 bike and thats
> what it cost it probably has a black market value of a tenner or
> something and isn't worth bothering with I hope. So far so good
> anyway.


I quite like the look of the smoke ... although I prefer inconspicious!

Saying that, im not going to need to bother getting a new bike to just
do the gym run, current one is suitable for that so will be biking to
the gym tuesday night.
 
In message <[email protected]>, jas0n
<[email protected]> writes

>i'll go check out the cycle facilities at my gym where I swim, its daft
>going by car when I could easily cycle as its only a mile or so away
>and will get me started, providing I can lock up the bike ....


It can be done. I swim every other evening and most weekend mornings and
leave the bike locked up outside the swimming pool (there are bike
stands, but I prefer using the railings next to the entrance).

I have quick releases on both the bike's wheels as well as the seat
post. I remove the front wheel and thread the lock through this, the
rear wheel, the frame and the railings. It's well overlooked so anyone
trying to force it free would be very noticeable. The seat post, saddle
and front light come inside with me.

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