"Jeff Strickland" <
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> "Edward Dolan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>> Vandeman posts correctly and it saves him time not to do any editing. He
>> is always fair to others regardless of what you may think of his content.
>> The beauty of correct formatting is that it provides the entire context,
>> ever the most important thing on these messages that go back and forth on
>> Usenet like flashes of lightning.
>>
>
> Vandeman posts correctly? That's a laugh. He posts **** from responses to
> his Website, and NEVER (I generally avoid the use of absolutes like never
> and always) trims the useless header information. And, he posts Subject
> Lines and includes Subjects that have nothing at all to do with his
> subject, and it includes the useless header material.
I am not talking about websites, but only about what appears on these
newsgroups. A website is completely different than Usenet.
>> I use to be a great letter writer in the old days from another century.
>> Alas, it all seems so quaint now. The computer with its' email and Usenet
>> has changed everything for me. Believe me, I used to be a gentleman and I
>> knew how to write the kind of letter that would cause others to think
>> kind thoughts about me. But that was then, this is now. Politeness has
>> gone out of our culture. We are getting coarser and coarser with every
>> passing generation. We are becoming the new barbarians.
>>
>
> Perhaps, but asserting that top posters are the bane of society doesn't
> slow the steady march of barbarianism at all. Pretend to get along, and
> barbariansim will go away.
Never! Never! Never!
>>> I don't know if you've noticed, but Mike never responds directly to me,
>>> because I tend to make too much sense to him and most of the rest of the
>>> world. He will make comments about me to other posters, but he seldom
>>> addresses me directly. This ought to give you some insight into the
>>> weakness of his agenda.
>>
>> I seriously doubt Vandeman is fearful of confronting anyone for any
>> reason whatsoever. That is not my impression of him at all!
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> Vandeman is a loon, and he seldom (it ever) will maintain a civil
> discussion, especially when one confronts his version of fact. He seems to
> relish the give and take that comes from ascribing the poor behavior of
> one to an entire group, and the back and forth that grows from calling
> people a liar -- in ALLCAPS, no less.
Jeff, you obviously are prejudiced against him. I do not see what you see
based on these newsgroups. I feel that he has gotten a very bad rap. He has
become an expert on the subject and he has lost all patience with those who
just reiterate the same old **** over and over. Surely, you can understand
that. All experts tend to be like this.
Believe me, I know what Vandeman is doing and it is just a technique that
has no ulterior motives whatsoever. Why not cut him some slack and see how
he reacts.
> If you want to hold a discussion in ANY of the groups that Vandeman posts
> in, use your own facts and figures, do not use Vandeman as your support.
> He is a quack, and refers to his own past editorials as the proof that his
> current rant is factual.
But if he has become the expert, then who better to go to for the facts.
Most folks who do any so-called research on the impact of moutain bikes on
hiking trails have no real interest in the matter, but Vandeman does. Why
not get on the side of the angels for once in your life.
> Do the math. If Vandeman is 100% effective in his agenda to completely
> eliminate bikes, AND bikes are the sole cause of the damage he seeks to
> correct, then his efforts will result in the protection and preservation
> of LESS THAN 0.04% of the habitat. It seems that your agenda is to create
> a carefree afternoon once in a while, but the goal should be to protect
> habitat, not Sunday afternoons. Be careful with an ally like Vandeman
> because he wants you to stay home too, not just bike riders.
No, you are quite wrong about everything you say above. I have known
hundreds of folks like Vandeman. They are called hikers and all they want to
do is to preserve nature because they revere it. Mountain bikers are our
mortal enemies because they see nature as an arena for their fun and games.
They do not revere nature and they do not want to preserve it. Their
mentality is all wrong.
Curtiss tells me he does not want to invade my sacred wilderness, but I do
not trust him. His motives are all wrong. l do trust Vandeman because his
motives are pure. He wants what is best for all of us if only we had the wit
to appreciate what he is doing. I wish him good health and many long years
to continue his campaign.
I do not regard mountain bikers as evil, only very badly informed. After
all, I was once young myself and know what motivates the young. But it is
for older and wiser heads to determine policy. You do not want the young to
ever be making decisions about anything that matters.
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota