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  1. [I don't have kids, but for some reason kid's menus have always reminded me
    of prison menus or some such - and no, I've not been in prison... :-) ]

    http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/30/dining/30kids.html

    May 30, 2007

    De Gustibus

    Don't Point That Menu at My Child, Please

    By DAVID KAMP

    "IT seems like such a wonderful concept when you encounter it for the first
    time as a parent. You go to a restaurant as a family, are seated and given
    menus, and the waitress cheerfully turns to your children and exclaims, "And
    these are for you!" Their own special menus - kids' menus! Sometimes these
    are little laminated things, peewee facsimiles of what Mom and Dad are
    holding. Sometimes these are placemats that not only tell you what foods are
    available but also contain mazes and word-search puzzles.

    No matter what, the menu offers chicken fingers with French fries. And
    typically, as you go down the list, macaroni and cheese, a hot dog, a
    hamburger, grilled cheese and some kind of pizza.

    Early in my tenure as a parent, I thought children's menus were the greatest
    thing, a quantum leap forward in the human condition. We didn't have them
    when I was a child, at least not at restaurants where adults would be happy
    to dine. (There were always "family" restaurants in the Friendly's-HoJo's
    idiom that offered junior sundaes and burgers.) I was thrilled that someone
    had come up with this innovation, that civilization had advanced to the
    point where children at good restaurants were now immediately placated with
    children's food, so we adults could plunge worry-free into our adult
    business of drinking alcohol and eating things with tentacles.

    For restaurateurs there are advantages, too. Marc Murphy, the chef and an
    owner of Landmarc in TriBeCa (and its new sister operation in the Time
    Warner Center), says doing a children's menu has helped the bottom line at
    his bistro, which is known for its neighborhood clientele and value-priced
    wines.

    "It totally drives that early seating for us," he said. "The kids eat what
    they eat, and with our wine program, the parents can have fun." Landmarc
    serves up the requisite greatest hits - the fingers, the burger, the grilled
    cheese - and throws in some curveballs, like "green eggs and ham," flavored
    and colored with pesto sauce.

    As for me, my outlook on children's menus started to change at some point -
    probably around the 102nd or 103rd time my children ordered chicken fingers
    with French fries. Even if the chicken fingers were good ones, made from
    real breast meat rather than pulverized and remolded chik-a-bits, I was
    disturbed by their ubiquity and their hold on my kids, who are 11 and 8
    years old.

    I noticed that accommodationist chefs were making chicken fingers available
    in Italian, Chinese and Japanese restaurants, where chicken fingers aren't
    even culinarily justifiable. I perceived that my children's chicken-finger
    meals outside the home were informing their eating habits inside the home,
    where they were getting more finicky. I heard from other parents that they
    were experiencing the same thing.

    In short, I came to the realization that America is in the grips of a
    nefarious chicken-finger pandemic, in which a blandly tasty foodstuff has
    somehow become the de facto official nibble of our young.

    For all the fretfulness I'm obligated to express over the health
    implications of this pandemic - chicken fingers are often fried, and are
    often accompanied by fries - I'm much more rankled by its palate-deadening
    potential. Far from being an advance, I've concluded, the standard children'
    s menu is regressive, encouraging children (and their misguided parents) to
    believe that there is a rigidly delineated "kids' cuisine" that exists
    entirely apart from grown-up cuisine.

    I grew up eating what my parents ate, at home and at restaurants. Sometimes,
    the experience could be revelatory, as when I tried fish chowder for the
    first time on a trip to Boston, or when my mother attempted Julia Child's
    Soupe au Pistou.

    Other times, dinner was merely dinner, not transcendent but comfortingly
    routine. And then there were those bummer meals that I just didn't care for,
    like stuffed cabbage, but that I endured because my parents offered no other
    choice. It was all experiential grist for the mill, and it made me - like
    millions of other Americans of my generation who were raised the same way -
    a fairly adventurous eater with a built-in sense of dietary balance.

    It pains me that many children now grow up eating little besides
    golden-brown logs of kid food, especially in a time when the quality,
    variety and availability of good ingredients is better than ever.

    We accept that it's bad not to read to young children lest it affect their
    "wiring," and that it's bad to let them slack off on exercise lest their
    muscles not develop, but we're kind of lazy on the palate front. And really,
    discovering new foods and flavors is one of the most delightful experiences
    that childhood can offer. Personally, I far preferred it to reading and
    exercising.

    There's no single seismic jolt that created the adult-child food divide, but
    we can't underestimate the influence of the McDonald's Corporation's
    introductions, in 1979 and 1983, respectively, of the Happy Meal and Chicken
    McNuggets. The instant popularity of these products signaled that there was
    a ton of money to be made in marketing foods explicitly to kids (even at
    fast-food restaurants, where kids were already psyched to be).

    Since then, the food industry has developed a whole new segment predicated
    on what the nutritionist Marion Nestle, in her book "What to Eat," calls the
    " 'kids are only supposed to eat kids' food' strategy."

    Ms. Nestle notes that ConAgra manufactures a product line called Kid
    Cuisine: prepackaged meals in compartmented, TV-dinner-style trays. If you
    visit the company's Web site, you'll find that all 14 Kid Cuisine meals are
    beige-yellow-ocher in color - a grim hallmark of the genre - and 5 of them
    are built around an entree in the breaded-chicken-nubbin family.

    Realistically, there's nothing to be gained by pining for that halcyon world
    where kids weren't constantly being hustled; the genie is out of the bottle.
    But if we're stuck with the children's menu, there's no reason it can't be
    improved upon and made less of a sop to cosseted little fried-food addicts.
    And it's encouraging that some important players in the hospitality
    industry, like the Walt Disney Company and the Ritz-Carlton Hotel Company,
    are taking action on this front.

    Both companies were motivated primarily by the new national concern over
    poor nutrition and childhood obesity, but each has produced a response that
    also addresses the dead-palate issue. Effective last fall, Disney stopped
    serving French fries automatically with kids' entrees at its theme parks,
    "providing equal choice of fries, baby carrots, or grapes, not really
    pushing one or the other," said Mary Niven, the vice president of food and
    beverage operations at Disneyland in Anaheim, Calif.

    Ms. Niven is leading her company's "Well-Balanced Foods Initiative," which
    also entails experimenting with new meals outside of the chicken-finger
    paradigm, such as arroz con pollo, the traditional Latin American dish of
    chicken and rice, and a baked chicken leg in an Asian-style citrus marinade,
    served with rice noodles.

    Likewise, Ritz-Carlton launched a "Healthy Kids" program for children four
    years ago. The program not only de-emphasizes fried foods but also gives its
    chefs a freer hand to create their own kids' menus. Vivian Deuschl, the vice
    president for public relations at Ritz-Carlton, who oversees the program,
    said it was set up in response to changing customer tastes.

    A 20-year veteran of the company, Ms. Deuschl said that kids' menus "started
    out on a limited basis in the '80s and picked up in the '90s as our
    demographics started to shift, especially at our resorts. We were getting
    more families, usually ones where both parents worked, so they didn't want
    to leave their kids behind on vacation."

    At first, these guests were only too happy to indulge their children with a
    nonstop fingers-and-fries diet while on vacation. But in the last few years,
    Ms. Deuschl said: "We sensed a lot of tension. Parents were ordering things
    off the adult menu for their kids: crab cakes, pastas, stir-fries of
    vegetables."

    Perhaps no chef has taken the mission more to heart than Tony Miller of
    Latitude 41, the restaurant of the Renaissance Columbus in Ohio.
    (Renaissance, like Ritz-Carlton, falls under the Marriott International
    corporate umbrella.) "We do not have a chicken finger in this restaurant,"
    Mr. Miller said. The father of a 4-year-old girl, he constructed his "Fun
    Menu" to appeal to children without pandering to them.

    "It features zero fried foods on it," he said. "We do grilled organic
    chicken teriyaki, a seared fillet of whatever fish is in season, and a
    four-once fillet of natural beef with smashed potatoes. I have not received
    a single negative reaction from adults or kids. Not one. The kids say 'Man,
    that's the best steak I've ever eaten!' "

    Mr. Miller is also shrewd in recognizing that parents are after not
    dumbed-down or deflavorized food for their kids, but rather smaller portions
    and prices. At the rates he's charging - from $5 for the teriyaki to $8 for
    the small fillet, including beverage - he's in the ballpark with lots of
    diners and chain places.

    Marc Murphy, the Landmarc chef, said that it's simply a matter of "not
    making a big deal of out of it" when it comes to your kids' food
    preferences.

    His own 3-year-old daughter usually skips the children's menu at his
    restaurant, he said, and "eats the linguine alla vongole, with baby clams,
    when we run it on Fridays." But it's harder as your children get older and
    more exposed to the wider world; that's when the pandemic claims them. In my
    family, it's been a matter of getting back to that simple idea - the kids
    eat what the parents eat - and cutting off those little fingers."

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  2. Gregory Morrow said:

    [I don't have kids, but for some reason kid's menus have always reminded me
    of prison menus or some such - and no, I've not been in prison... :-) ]

    Can the inmate be blamed for wanting to see the jailor slowly bleed to
    death?

    Quoted message said:


    http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/30/dining/30kids.html

    May 30, 2007

    De Gustibus

    Don't Point That Menu at My Child, Please

    By DAVID KAMP

    "IT seems like such a wonderful concept when you encounter it for the first
    time as a parent. You go to a restaurant as a family, are seated and given
    menus, and the waitress cheerfully turns to your children and exclaims, "And
    these are for you!" Their own special menus - kids' menus! Sometimes these
    are little laminated things, peewee facsimiles of what Mom and Dad are
    holding. Sometimes these are placemats that not only tell you what foods are
    available but also contain mazes and word-search puzzles.

    No matter what, the menu offers chicken fingers with French fries. And
    typically, as you go down the list, macaroni and cheese, a hot dog, a
    hamburger, grilled cheese and some kind of pizza.

    Early in my tenure as a parent, I thought children's menus were the greatest
    thing, a quantum leap forward in the human condition. We didn't have them
    when I was a child, at least not at restaurants where adults would be happy
    to dine. (There were always "family" restaurants in the Friendly's-HoJo's
    idiom that offered junior sundaes and burgers.) I was thrilled that someone
    had come up with this innovation, that civilization had advanced to the
    point where children at good restaurants were now immediately placated with
    children's food, so we adults could plunge worry-free into our adult
    business of drinking alcohol and eating things with tentacles.

    For restaurateurs there are advantages, too. Marc Murphy, the chef and an
    owner of Landmarc in TriBeCa (and its new sister operation in the Time
    Warner Center), says doing a children's menu has helped the bottom line at
    his bistro, which is known for its neighborhood clientele and value-priced
    wines.

    "It totally drives that early seating for us," he said. "The kids eat what
    they eat, and with our wine program, the parents can have fun." Landmarc
    serves up the requisite greatest hits - the fingers, the burger, the grilled
    cheese - and throws in some curveballs, like "green eggs and ham," flavored
    and colored with pesto sauce.

    As for me, my outlook on children's menus started to change at some point-
    probably around the 102nd or 103rd time my children ordered chicken fingers
    with French fries. Even if the chicken fingers were good ones, made from
    real breast meat rather than pulverized and remolded chik-a-bits, I was
    disturbed by their ubiquity and their hold on my kids, who are 11 and 8
    years old.

    I noticed that accommodationist chefs were making chicken fingers available
    in Italian, Chinese and Japanese restaurants, where chicken fingers aren't
    even culinarily justifiable. I perceived that my children's chicken-finger
    meals outside the home were informing their eating habits inside the home,
    where they were getting more finicky. I heard from other parents that they
    were experiencing the same thing.

    In short, I came to the realization that America is in the grips of a
    nefarious chicken-finger pandemic, in which a blandly tasty foodstuff has
    somehow become the de facto official nibble of our young.


    [snip]

    When I read stuff like this, it makes me hate a sizable proportion of
    my fellow Americans.

    I think of Third Stone from the Sun.*
    I also think about The Space Merchants**, the "surf music" fans
    feeding their children ReelMeet®, carved from Chicken Little, which
    was grown from a heart cell of a majestic and superior cackling hen.
    Some people ask, "Why do they hate us?" My best answer is, "For all
    the wrong reasons."

    When they bring a kids' menu for my 5 YO, I always refuse it.

    * Jimi Hendrix
    ** Frederick Pohl

    --Bryan

  3. Food Snob said:
    Gregory Morrow said:

    [I don't have kids, but for some reason kid's menus have always reminded me
    of prison menus or some such - and no, I've not been in prison... :-) ]

    Can the inmate be blamed for wanting to see the jailor slowly bleed to
    death?

    Quoted message said:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/30/dining/30kids.html

    Quoted message said:

    May 30, 2007

    Quoted message said:

    De Gustibus

    Quoted message said:

    Don't Point That Menu at My Child, Please

    Quoted message said:

    By DAVID KAMP

    Quoted message said:

    "IT seems like such a wonderful concept when you encounter it for the first
    time as a parent. You go to a restaurant as a family, are seated and given
    menus, and the waitress cheerfully turns to your children and exclaims,"And
    these are for you!" Their own special menus - kids' menus! Sometimes these
    are little laminated things, peewee facsimiles of what Mom and Dad are
    holding. Sometimes these are placemats that not only tell you what foods are
    available but also contain mazes and word-search puzzles.

    Quoted message said:

    No matter what, the menu offers chicken fingers with French fries. And
    typically, as you go down the list, macaroni and cheese, a hot dog, a
    hamburger, grilled cheese and some kind of pizza.

    Quoted message said:

    Early in my tenure as a parent, I thought children's menus were the greatest
    thing, a quantum leap forward in the human condition. We didn't have them
    when I was a child, at least not at restaurants where adults would be happy
    to dine. (There were always "family" restaurants in the Friendly's-HoJo's
    idiom that offered junior sundaes and burgers.) I was thrilled that someone
    had come up with this innovation, that civilization had advanced to the
    point where children at good restaurants were now immediately placated with
    children's food, so we adults could plunge worry-free into our adult
    business of drinking alcohol and eating things with tentacles.

    Quoted message said:

    For restaurateurs there are advantages, too. Marc Murphy, the chef and an
    owner of Landmarc in TriBeCa (and its new sister operation in the Time
    Warner Center), says doing a children's menu has helped the bottom lineat
    his bistro, which is known for its neighborhood clientele and value-priced
    wines.

    Quoted message said:

    "It totally drives that early seating for us," he said. "The kids eat what
    they eat, and with our wine program, the parents can have fun." Landmarc
    serves up the requisite greatest hits - the fingers, the burger, the grilled
    cheese - and throws in some curveballs, like "green eggs and ham," flavored
    and colored with pesto sauce.

    Quoted message said:

    As for me, my outlook on children's menus started to change at some point -
    probably around the 102nd or 103rd time my children ordered chicken fingers
    with French fries. Even if the chicken fingers were good ones, made from
    real breast meat rather than pulverized and remolded chik-a-bits, I was
    disturbed by their ubiquity and their hold on my kids, who are 11 and 8
    years old.

    Quoted message said:

    I noticed that accommodationist chefs were making chicken fingers available
    in Italian, Chinese and Japanese restaurants, where chicken fingers aren't
    even culinarily justifiable. I perceived that my children's chicken-finger
    meals outside the home were informing their eating habits inside the home,
    where they were getting more finicky. I heard from other parents that they
    were experiencing the same thing.

    Quoted message said:

    In short, I came to the realization that America is in the grips of a
    nefarious chicken-finger pandemic, in which a blandly tasty foodstuff has
    somehow become the de facto official nibble of our young.

    [snip]

    When I read stuff like this, it makes me hate a sizable proportion of
    my fellow Americans.

    I think of Third Stone from the Sun.*
    I also think about The Space Merchants**, the "surf music" fans
    feeding their children ReelMeet®, carved from Chicken Little, which
    was grown from a heart cell of a majestic and superior cackling hen.
    Some people ask, "Why do they hate us?" My best answer is, "For all
    the wrong reasons."

    When they bring a kids' menu for my 5 YO, I always refuse it.

    * Jimi Hendrix
    ** Frederick Pohl

    --Bryan

    And I had the kid who didn't like anything on the kids menu. She'd
    have chicken soup with rice or noodles, buttered macaroni (no cheese
    or red sauce, please), and other introductory foods at various
    eateries. Now that she's 15, she's a picky eater.

    maxine in ri

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