Re: Time to bomb Iran?

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Johnny Sunset wrote:
> On Jun 15, 9:37 pm, Chuck Davis wrote:
> > Johnny Sunset wrote in message
> >
> > news:[email protected]...
> >
> > > On Jun 15, 5:32 pm, Donald Gillies wrote:
> >
> > >> This war is going away exactly 1 year, 7 months, 5 days, and 12
> > >> minutes from now, roughly 10 seconds after we swear in a new president
> > >> and kick the current fascists from office, forever.
> >
> > > If there is a national "emergency", will there be a 2008 election?
> > > .....
> >
> > Sorry, but that scenario has already been used:
>
> Yep, Reichstag Fire, and those little incidents that followed that
> killed 50+ million people?
>
> > http://wired-vig.wired.com/politics/law/news/1999/07/20751
> >
> > Try to be a little more creative. 8)
>
> WTF does being creative have do to with anything, when there are
> plenty of historical precedents?
>
> Quotes by George W. Bush:
>
> "You don't get everything you want. A dictatorship would be a lot
> easier." (Governing Magazine 7/98)
>
> "I told all four that there are going to be some times where we don't
> agree with each other, but that's OK. If this were a dictatorship, it
> would be a heck of a lot easier, just so long as I'm the
> dictator." (CNN.com, December 18, 2000)
>
> "A dictatorship would be a heck of a lot easier, there's no question
> about it" (Business Week, July 30, 2001)
>
> --
> Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
> "The real danger is whenever we start talking with our enemies, we may
> discover potential areas of compromise or even agreement." - Joe
> Conason

 

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2008 is the national emergency !
Johnny Sunset wrote:
> On Jun 15, 9:37 pm, Chuck Davis wrote:
> > Johnny Sunset wrote in message
> >
> > news:[email protected]...
> >
> > > On Jun 15, 5:32 pm, Donald Gillies wrote:
> >
> > >> This war is going away exactly 1 year, 7 months, 5 days, and 12
> > >> minutes from now, roughly 10 seconds after we swear in a new president
> > >> and kick the current fascists from office, forever.
> >
> > > If there is a national "emergency", will there be a 2008 election?
> > > .....
> >
> > Sorry, but that scenario has already been used:
>
> Yep, Reichstag Fire, and those little incidents that followed that
> killed 50+ million people?
>
> > http://wired-vig.wired.com/politics/law/news/1999/07/20751
> >
> > Try to be a little more creative. 8)
>
> WTF does being creative have do to with anything, when there are
> plenty of historical precedents?
>
> Quotes by George W. Bush:
>
> "You don't get everything you want. A dictatorship would be a lot
> easier." (Governing Magazine 7/98)
>
> "I told all four that there are going to be some times where we don't
> agree with each other, but that's OK. If this were a dictatorship, it
> would be a heck of a lot easier, just so long as I'm the
> dictator." (CNN.com, December 18, 2000)
>
> "A dictatorship would be a heck of a lot easier, there's no question
> about it" (Business Week, July 30, 2001)
>
> --
> Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
> "The real danger is whenever we start talking with our enemies, we may
> discover potential areas of compromise or even agreement." - Joe
> Conason

 

[R Brickston]

>On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 15:45:07 -0700, Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman
><[email protected]> wrote:

>>>
>>> >Godwin's Law involves INAPPROPRIATE comparisons to ****** and/or
>>> >Nazis.
>>>
>>> >The Nazi's used the Reichstag Fire to increase their political power.
>>>
>>> >The Cheney/Bush administration used 9/11/2001 to increase their
>>> >political power.
>>>
>>> >How is the comparison inappropriate?
>>>
>>> Totally inappropriate because the power ****** seized that very night
>>> and in the successive days, could not be remotely, even in someone's
>>> wildest imagination, compared to any action Bush, or in fact, *any*
>>> President of the United States has ever taken.
>>

>Aggressive invasion of a sovereign nation is a common action. If you
>believe Iraq was attacking or about to attack the US in 2003, you are
>truly delusional.

Clarify you statement as to my rebuttal above, I have no idea what
comparison you are making.

 

[Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman]

On Jun 17, 6:54 am, R Brickston wrote:
> >On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 15:45:07 -0700, Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman wrote:
>
> >>> >Godwin's Law involves INAPPROPRIATE comparisons to ****** and/or
> >>> >Nazis.
>
> >>> >The Nazi's used the Reichstag Fire to increase their political power.
>
> >>> >The Cheney/Bush administration used 9/11/2001 to increase their
> >>> >political power.
>
> >>> >How is the comparison inappropriate?
>
> >>> Totally inappropriate because the power ****** seized that very night
> >>> and in the successive days, could not be remotely, even in someone's
> >>> wildest imagination, compared to any action Bush, or in fact, *any*
> >>> President of the United States has ever taken.
>
> >Aggressive invasion of a sovereign nation is a common action. If you
> >believe Iraq was attacking or about to attack the US in 2003, you are
> >truly delusional.
>
> Clarify you statement as to my rebuttal above, I have no idea what
> comparison you are making.

Reading comprehension problem, eh?

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful

 

[R Brickston]

On Sun, 17 Jun 2007 05:51:07 -0700, Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On Jun 17, 6:54 am, R Brickston wrote:
>> >On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 15:45:07 -0700, Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman wrote:
>>
>> >>> >Godwin's Law involves INAPPROPRIATE comparisons to ****** and/or
>> >>> >Nazis.
>>
>> >>> >The Nazi's used the Reichstag Fire to increase their political power.
>>
>> >>> >The Cheney/Bush administration used 9/11/2001 to increase their
>> >>> >political power.
>>
>> >>> >How is the comparison inappropriate?
>>
>> >>> Totally inappropriate because the power ****** seized that very night
>> >>> and in the successive days, could not be remotely, even in someone's
>> >>> wildest imagination, compared to any action Bush, or in fact, *any*
>> >>> President of the United States has ever taken.
>>
>> >Aggressive invasion of a sovereign nation is a common action. If you
>> >believe Iraq was attacking or about to attack the US in 2003, you are
>> >truly delusional.
>>
>> Clarify you statement as to my rebuttal above, I have no idea what
>> comparison you are making.
>
>Reading comprehension problem, eh?

Bad writing always presents a comprehension problem. For example:

"Aggressive invasion of a sovereign nation is a common action." Arfe
Do you mean generally or more specifically WWII? Or is the statement
meant to be sarcastic?

 

[Johnny Sunset]

On Jun 17, 8:08 am, R Brickston <rb20170REMOVE.yahoo.com@> wrote:
> On Sun, 17 Jun 2007 05:51:07 -0700, Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman
>
>
>
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >On Jun 17, 6:54 am, R Brickston wrote:
> >> >On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 15:45:07 -0700, Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman wrote:
>
> >> >>> >Godwin's Law involves INAPPROPRIATE comparisons to ****** and/or
> >> >>> >Nazis.
>
> >> >>> >The Nazi's used the Reichstag Fire to increase their political power.
>
> >> >>> >The Cheney/Bush administration used 9/11/2001 to increase their
> >> >>> >political power.
>
> >> >>> >How is the comparison inappropriate?
>
> >> >>> Totally inappropriate because the power ****** seized that very night
> >> >>> and in the successive days, could not be remotely, even in someone's
> >> >>> wildest imagination, compared to any action Bush, or in fact, *any*
> >> >>> President of the United States has ever taken.
>
> >> >Aggressive invasion of a sovereign nation is a common action. If you
> >> >believe Iraq was attacking or about to attack the US in 2003, you are
> >> >truly delusional.
>
> >> Clarify you statement as to my rebuttal above, I have no idea what
> >> comparison you are making.
>
> >Reading comprehension problem, eh?
>
> Bad writing always presents a comprehension problem. For example:
>
> "Aggressive invasion of a sovereign nation is a common action." Arfe
> Do you mean generally or more specifically WWII? Or is the statement
> meant to be sarcastic?

It is an action in common between Germany under ****** (several
Eurasian countries) and the US under Bush II (Iraq).

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia

 

[R Brickston]

On Sun, 17 Jun 2007 06:42:14 -0700, Johnny Sunset
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On Jun 17, 8:08 am, R Brickston <rb20170REMOVE.yahoo.com@> wrote:
>> On Sun, 17 Jun 2007 05:51:07 -0700, Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman
>>
>>
>>
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >On Jun 17, 6:54 am, R Brickston wrote:
>> >> >On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 15:45:07 -0700, Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman wrote:
>>
>> >> >>> >Godwin's Law involves INAPPROPRIATE comparisons to ****** and/or
>> >> >>> >Nazis.
>>
>> >> >>> >The Nazi's used the Reichstag Fire to increase their political power.
>>
>> >> >>> >The Cheney/Bush administration used 9/11/2001 to increase their
>> >> >>> >political power.
>>
>> >> >>> >How is the comparison inappropriate?
>>
>> >> >>> Totally inappropriate because the power ****** seized that very night
>> >> >>> and in the successive days, could not be remotely, even in someone's
>> >> >>> wildest imagination, compared to any action Bush, or in fact, *any*
>> >> >>> President of the United States has ever taken.
>>
>> >> >Aggressive invasion of a sovereign nation is a common action. If you
>> >> >believe Iraq was attacking or about to attack the US in 2003, you are
>> >> >truly delusional.
>>
>> >> Clarify you statement as to my rebuttal above, I have no idea what
>> >> comparison you are making.
>>
>> >Reading comprehension problem, eh?
>>
>> Bad writing always presents a comprehension problem. For example:
>>
>> "Aggressive invasion of a sovereign nation is a common action." Arfe
>> Do you mean generally or more specifically WWII? Or is the statement
>> meant to be sarcastic?
>
>It is an action in common between Germany under ****** (several
>Eurasian countries) and the US under Bush II (Iraq).

The subject is the Reichstag Fire and actions by ****** and 9-11 and
actions by Bush and wether the comparison is applicable.

Rather than labor at putting this in my own words, haviong read the
excellent treatise on the subject in John Toland's Adolph ******, I'll
simply quote Wickipedia:

The day after the Reichstag Fire "****** forced President Hindenburg
to pass an 'emergency decree' suspending all articles that guaranteed
freedom and liberty. ******'s police were then allowed to seize
property and take people without any sort of trial. The death penalty
was introduced again for many crimes and concentration camps were set
up. The Nazis' twelve year terror over their opponents had started."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichstag_Fire

Your comparison of ******'s Reichstag Fire actions to Bush and 9-11 is
ill founded beyond the pale and one would think an inappropriate
vehicle to the threads discussion.

 

[Johnny Sunset]

On Jun 17, 9:33 am, R Brickston <rb20170REMOVE.yahoo.com@> wrote:
> On Sun, 17 Jun 2007 06:42:14 -0700, Johnny Sunset
>
>
>
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >On Jun 17, 8:08 am, R Brickston <rb20170REMOVE.yahoo.com@> wrote:
> >> On Sun, 17 Jun 2007 05:51:07 -0700, Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman
>
> >> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >On Jun 17, 6:54 am, R Brickston wrote:
> >> >> >On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 15:45:07 -0700, Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman wrote:
>
> >> >> >>> >Godwin's Law involves INAPPROPRIATE comparisons to ****** and/or
> >> >> >>> >Nazis.
>
> >> >> >>> >The Nazi's used the Reichstag Fire to increase their political power.
>
> >> >> >>> >The Cheney/Bush administration used 9/11/2001 to increase their
> >> >> >>> >political power.
>
> >> >> >>> >How is the comparison inappropriate?
>
> >> >> >>> Totally inappropriate because the power ****** seized that very night
> >> >> >>> and in the successive days, could not be remotely, even in someone's
> >> >> >>> wildest imagination, compared to any action Bush, or in fact, *any*
> >> >> >>> President of the United States has ever taken.
>
> >> >> >Aggressive invasion of a sovereign nation is a common action. If you
> >> >> >believe Iraq was attacking or about to attack the US in 2003, you are
> >> >> >truly delusional.
>
> >> >> Clarify you statement as to my rebuttal above, I have no idea what
> >> >> comparison you are making.
>
> >> >Reading comprehension problem, eh?
>
> >> Bad writing always presents a comprehension problem. For example:
>
> >> "Aggressive invasion of a sovereign nation is a common action." Arfe
> >> Do you mean generally or more specifically WWII? Or is the statement
> >> meant to be sarcastic?
>
> >It is an action in common between Germany under ****** (several
> >Eurasian countries) and the US under Bush II (Iraq).
>
> The subject is the Reichstag Fire and actions by ****** and 9-11 and
> actions by Bush and wether the comparison is applicable.
>
> Rather than labor at putting this in my own words, haviong read the
> excellent treatise on the subject in John Toland's Adolph ******, I'll
> simply quote Wickipedia:
>
> The day after the Reichstag Fire "****** forced President Hindenburg
> to pass an 'emergency decree' suspending all articles that guaranteed
> freedom and liberty. ******'s police were then allowed to seize
> property and take people without any sort of trial. The death penalty
> was introduced again for many crimes and concentration camps were set
> up. The Nazis' twelve year terror over their opponents had started."
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichstag_Fire
>
> Your comparison of ******'s Reichstag Fire actions to Bush and 9-11 is
> ill founded beyond the pale and one would think an inappropriate
> vehicle to the threads discussion.

The United States (by self proclamation) is supposed to set the moral
standard for the rest of the world. Therefore, it is all the more
egregious when the US violates moral norms on due process and torture.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
"Americans will terrorize themselves. They will constrict their
precious civil liberties. They will eventually bring their society to
a state that is not recognizable with what it was before September
11th." - Usama bin Laden

 

[R Brickston]

On Sun, 17 Jun 2007 07:51:28 -0700, Johnny Sunset
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On Jun 17, 9:33 am, R Brickston <rb20170REMOVE.yahoo.com@> wrote:
>> On Sun, 17 Jun 2007 06:42:14 -0700, Johnny Sunset
>>
>>
>>
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >On Jun 17, 8:08 am, R Brickston <rb20170REMOVE.yahoo.com@> wrote:
>> >> On Sun, 17 Jun 2007 05:51:07 -0700, Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman
>>
>> >> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >> >On Jun 17, 6:54 am, R Brickston wrote:
>> >> >> >On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 15:45:07 -0700, Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman wrote:
>>
>> >> >> >>> >Godwin's Law involves INAPPROPRIATE comparisons to ****** and/or
>> >> >> >>> >Nazis.
>>
>> >> >> >>> >The Nazi's used the Reichstag Fire to increase their political power.
>>
>> >> >> >>> >The Cheney/Bush administration used 9/11/2001 to increase their
>> >> >> >>> >political power.
>>
>> >> >> >>> >How is the comparison inappropriate?
>>
>> >> >> >>> Totally inappropriate because the power ****** seized that very night
>> >> >> >>> and in the successive days, could not be remotely, even in someone's
>> >> >> >>> wildest imagination, compared to any action Bush, or in fact, *any*
>> >> >> >>> President of the United States has ever taken.
>>
>> >> >> >Aggressive invasion of a sovereign nation is a common action. If you
>> >> >> >believe Iraq was attacking or about to attack the US in 2003, you are
>> >> >> >truly delusional.
>>
>> >> >> Clarify you statement as to my rebuttal above, I have no idea what
>> >> >> comparison you are making.
>>
>> >> >Reading comprehension problem, eh?
>>
>> >> Bad writing always presents a comprehension problem. For example:
>>
>> >> "Aggressive invasion of a sovereign nation is a common action." Arfe
>> >> Do you mean generally or more specifically WWII? Or is the statement
>> >> meant to be sarcastic?
>>
>> >It is an action in common between Germany under ****** (several
>> >Eurasian countries) and the US under Bush II (Iraq).
>>
>> The subject is the Reichstag Fire and actions by ****** and 9-11 and
>> actions by Bush and wether the comparison is applicable.
>>
>> Rather than labor at putting this in my own words, haviong read the
>> excellent treatise on the subject in John Toland's Adolph ******, I'll
>> simply quote Wickipedia:
>>
>> The day after the Reichstag Fire "****** forced President Hindenburg
>> to pass an 'emergency decree' suspending all articles that guaranteed
>> freedom and liberty. ******'s police were then allowed to seize
>> property and take people without any sort of trial. The death penalty
>> was introduced again for many crimes and concentration camps were set
>> up. The Nazis' twelve year terror over their opponents had started."
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichstag_Fire
>>
>> Your comparison of ******'s Reichstag Fire actions to Bush and 9-11 is
>> ill founded beyond the pale and one would think an inappropriate
>> vehicle to the threads discussion.
>
>The United States (by self proclamation) is supposed to set the moral
>standard for the rest of the world. Therefore, it is all the more
>egregious when the US violates moral norms on due process and torture.

Whooosh.....!

 

[John Forrest Tomlinson]

On Mon, 18 Jun 2007 21:52:08 -0500, "Edward Dolan" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>Yes, we should surge to several hundred thousand more troops to Iraq and
>kill however many that need to be killed.

When you turn 18 are you going to enlist?
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On Jun 19, 1:58 am, John Forrest Tomlinson <[email protected]>
wrote:
> On Mon, 18 Jun 2007 21:52:08 -0500, "Edward Dolan" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> >Yes, we should surge to several hundred thousand more troops to Iraq and
> >kill however many that need to be killed.
>
> When you turn 18 are you going to enlist?
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