On Jun 24, 6:38 pm, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote:
> "Scott" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> > On Jun 24, 2:05 pm, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote:
> > > "Scott" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> > > > Whether or not a particular height is optimal is one thing, but I can
> > > > tell you unequivocably that I can tell a difference between 1 or 2 mm
> > > > changes in my saddle height, not only in 'feel' but also whether or
> > > > not I will have knee pain following a ride on too low or too high a
> > > > saddle. If I were to move my saddle from my preferred position by 5mm
> > > > either way, I'd develop knee pain within a mile unless I were just
> > > > noodling along at about 100 watts worth of power to the pedals.
>
> > > You cannot detect 1 or 2 mm since that is about 0.1% of the distance
> > > from
> > > the saddle to the pedal. The human body has a difficult time detecting
> > > anything smaller than 2% variations successfully.
>
> > Man, I should've known you'd eventually come into this thread and tell
> > someone they were wrong. But, you haven't got a clue about what
> > you're talking about.
>
> Followed by:
>
> > Can I get on the bike and tell you if the saddle is 75.3 cm vs 75.5 cm
> > vs 75.7 cm from the BB? No. But, I can get on almost any bike with
> > the saddle within a cm or two of my preferred saddle height and tell
> > you within 10 min of riding how much to raise or lower the saddle to
> > get it to where I want it, and it won't take a second adjustment to
> > get it right.
>
> Psst - a centimeter or two is around 2%, I hate to point this out to you but
> you're agreeing with me. Yet it bothers you that I say almost exactly what
> you just said.
>
> > Hell, I've even gotten on a new bike that had the saddle set at my
> > desired height based on an actual measurement, and by sitting on it
> > for just a minute or so I can tell you how much to adjust for a saddle
> > that flexes too much.
>
> And when you're able to detect 2% I would be surprised if you couldn't tell
> that the saddle was way off since flexible saddles can bend a centimeter or
> two as well.
>
> > Oh, hell... what do I know??? You're right, Tom. Sorry for misleading
> > everyone.
>
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Dumbass... I didn't say I could only tell if the saddle height was off
by 2cm. I said within a cm or two I can tell you how much to move it
to get it right without measuring first. Beyond a couple of cm out of
norm it's so far off that I can't tell how much to adjust without
measuring first. A couple of mm is within the 2cm limit, and yes... I
can tell if I need to move the seatpost by only 1 or 2 mm. Big
difference in that and agreeing with your dumb ass.
Scott wrote:
> On Jun 24, 2:05�pm, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote:
>> "Scott" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>> news:dfac8a1b-3a87-4d13-93a1-610c3d9fee45@k37g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
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>>> Whether or not a particular height is optimal is one thing, but I can
>>> tell you unequivocably that I can tell a difference between 1 or 2 mm
>>> changes in my saddle height, not only in 'feel' but also whether or
>>> not I will have knee pain following a ride on too low or too high a
>>> saddle. �If I were to move my saddle from my preferred position by 5mm
>>> either way, I'd develop knee pain within a mile unless I were just
>>> noodling along at about 100 watts worth of power to the pedals.
>> You cannot detect 1 or 2 mm since that is about 0.1% of the distance from
>> the saddle to the pedal. The human body has a difficult time detecting
>> anything smaller than 2% variations successfully.
>
> Man, I should've known you'd eventually come into this thread and tell
> someone they were wrong. But, you haven't got a clue about what
> you're talking about.
>
> What often feels like a too-high saddle is nothing more than a case of
> tight hamstrings, and after any significant effort on my TT bike I
> feel like my road bike saddle is too high. I've learned to leave it
> alone until I've ridden enough to warm up/loosen up. Usually the too-
> high sensation goes away within about 15-20 minutes. If not, I might
> lower the saddle a couple of mm, three mm at the most. But... if I
> screw up and leave it there for any length of time at all I'll develop
> serious pain under the kneecap. Move the saddle back up to where it
> belongs, and knee pain is gone.
>
> Can I get on the bike and tell you if the saddle is 75.3 cm vs 75.5 cm
> vs 75.7 cm from the BB? No. But, I can get on almost any bike with
> the saddle within a cm or two of my preferred saddle height and tell
> you within 10 min of riding how much to raise or lower the saddle to
> get it to where I want it, and it won't take a second adjustment to
> get it right.
>
> Hell, I've even gotten on a new bike that had the saddle set at my
> desired height based on an actual measurement, and by sitting on it
> for just a minute or so I can tell you how much to adjust for a saddle
> that flexes too much.
>
> Oh, hell... what do I know??? You're right, Tom. Sorry for misleading
> everyone.
you're not alone, but kunich could never respect that - he's only here
to **** and moan. and in that respect, this forum, unfortunately, feeds
his trolling only too well.
Tom Kunich wrote:
> "Claus Assmann" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Tom Kunich wrote:
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>>> My saddle height is 39" or 990 mm - if you really believe that I
>>> could tell
>>> whether my saddle height was off by 2 mm I wonder just how sensitive
>>> your
>>> senses are.
>>
>> Nobody is claiming that you can detect that. However, you are
>> claiming that nobody can detect this, which is obviously very
>> different. And your claim is simply wrong (I did detect it and at
>> least one other poster wrote he did too).
>>
>> Some people are very sensitive about some things...
>> Just like some cyclist are much better at cornering than
>> other because they have a better "feel" for the bike.
>
> Claus, not that I'm doubting you believe that, but my guess is that in a
> blind test you wouldn't get even near being able to judge closer than 1%
> which is almost a centimeter on my bike and leg length.
>
> Now stranger things have happened - I worked with a Chinese engineer who
> could look at something and tell you within a mm of it's measurements
> and I tested him dozens of times since I couldn't believe it.
>
what a typically dumbass kunich comment! within 1mm on a 1mm electical
component is a chuffing big deal. and most experienced mechanics can
tell the difference between a 11mm and 12mm fastener on sight. but
kunich won't qualify a statement so it makes sense, only so that he can
stir the pot.
as for mentioning ethnicity, it's utterly freakin' irrelevant kunich.
goddamned troll.
On Jun 24, 9:30 pm, Bret <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Jun 24, 8:29 pm, Scott <[email protected]> wrote:
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> > On Jun 24, 6:38 pm, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote:
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> > > "Scott" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> > >news:ad670c75-459b-40c1-ba0c-e1dc0ed30101@k30g2000hse.googlegroups.com....
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> > > > On Jun 24, 2:05 pm, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote:
> > > > > "Scott" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> > > > >news:dfac8a1b-3a87-4d13-93a1-610c3d9fee45@k37g2000hsf.googlegroups..com...
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> > > > > > Whether or not a particular height is optimal is one thing, butI can
> > > > > > tell you unequivocably that I can tell a difference between 1 or 2 mm
> > > > > > changes in my saddle height, not only in 'feel' but also whether or
> > > > > > not I will have knee pain following a ride on too low or too high a
> > > > > > saddle. If I were to move my saddle from my preferred position by 5mm
> > > > > > either way, I'd develop knee pain within a mile unless I were just
> > > > > > noodling along at about 100 watts worth of power to the pedals.
>
> > > > > You cannot detect 1 or 2 mm since that is about 0.1% of the distance
> > > > > from
> > > > > the saddle to the pedal. The human body has a difficult time detecting
> > > > > anything smaller than 2% variations successfully.
>
> > > > Man, I should've known you'd eventually come into this thread and tell
> > > > someone they were wrong. But, you haven't got a clue about what
> > > > you're talking about.
>
> > > Followed by:
>
> > > > Can I get on the bike and tell you if the saddle is 75.3 cm vs 75.5cm
> > > > vs 75.7 cm from the BB? No. But, I can get on almost any bikewith
> > > > the saddle within a cm or two of my preferred saddle height and tell
> > > > you within 10 min of riding how much to raise or lower the saddle to
> > > > get it to where I want it, and it won't take a second adjustment to
> > > > get it right.
>
> > > Psst - a centimeter or two is around 2%, I hate to point this out to you but
> > > you're agreeing with me. Yet it bothers you that I say almost exactlywhat
> > > you just said.
>
> > > > Hell, I've even gotten on a new bike that had the saddle set at my
> > > > desired height based on an actual measurement, and by sitting on it
> > > > for just a minute or so I can tell you how much to adjust for a saddle
> > > > that flexes too much.
>
> > > And when you're able to detect 2% I would be surprised if you couldn't tell
> > > that the saddle was way off since flexible saddles can bend a centimeter or
> > > two as well.
>
> > > > Oh, hell... what do I know??? You're right, Tom. Sorry for misleading
> > > > everyone.
>
> > > You seem to know enough to agree with me while saying that you don't.- Hide quoted text -
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> > Dumbass... I didn't say I could only tell if the saddle height was off
> > by 2cm. I said within a cm or two I can tell you how much to move it
> > to get it right without measuring first. Beyond a couple of cm out of
> > norm it's so far off that I can't tell how much to adjust without
> > measuring first. A couple of mm is within the 2cm limit, and yes... I
> > can tell if I need to move the seatpost by only 1 or 2 mm. Big
> > difference in that and agreeing with your dumb ass.
>
> If Scott's saddle height is off by 1 mm the entire peloton notices
> it.
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Hey, wait a minute... Have you been staring at my **** again?
On Jun 24, 8:48 pm, Scott <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Jun 24, 9:30 pm, Bret <[email protected]> wrote:
> > If Scott's saddle height is off by 1 mm the entire peloton notices
> > it.
>
> Hey, wait a minute... Have you been staring at my **** again?
He wouldn't have to do that if you'd stop asking, "does this saddle
height make my ass look fat?"
On Jun 24, 10:01 pm, Robert Chung <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Jun 24, 8:48 pm, Scott <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > On Jun 24, 9:30 pm, Bret <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > If Scott's saddle height is off by 1 mm the entire peloton notices
> > > it.
>
> > Hey, wait a minute... Have you been staring at my **** again?
>
> He wouldn't have to do that if you'd stop asking, "does this saddle
> height make my ass look fat?"
On Jun 24, 9:48 pm, Scott <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Jun 24, 9:30 pm, Bret <[email protected]> wrote:
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> > On Jun 24, 8:29 pm, Scott <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > On Jun 24, 6:38 pm, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote:
>
> > > > "Scott" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> > > >news:ad670c75-459b-40c1-ba0c-e1dc0ed30101@k30g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>
> > > > > On Jun 24, 2:05 pm, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote:
> > > > > > "Scott" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> > > > > >news:dfac8a1b-3a87-4d13-93a1-610c3d9fee45@k37g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>
> > > > > > > Whether or not a particular height is optimal is one thing, but I can
> > > > > > > tell you unequivocably that I can tell a difference between 1 or 2 mm
> > > > > > > changes in my saddle height, not only in 'feel' but also whether or
> > > > > > > not I will have knee pain following a ride on too low or too high a
> > > > > > > saddle. If I were to move my saddle from my preferred position by 5mm
> > > > > > > either way, I'd develop knee pain within a mile unless I were just
> > > > > > > noodling along at about 100 watts worth of power to the pedals.
>
> > > > > > You cannot detect 1 or 2 mm since that is about 0.1% of the distance
> > > > > > from
> > > > > > the saddle to the pedal. The human body has a difficult time detecting
> > > > > > anything smaller than 2% variations successfully.
>
> > > > > Man, I should've known you'd eventually come into this thread and tell
> > > > > someone they were wrong. But, you haven't got a clue about what
> > > > > you're talking about.
>
> > > > Followed by:
>
> > > > > Can I get on the bike and tell you if the saddle is 75.3 cm vs 75.5 cm
> > > > > vs 75.7 cm from the BB? No. But, I can get on almost any bike with
> > > > > the saddle within a cm or two of my preferred saddle height and tell
> > > > > you within 10 min of riding how much to raise or lower the saddle to
> > > > > get it to where I want it, and it won't take a second adjustment to
> > > > > get it right.
>
> > > > Psst - a centimeter or two is around 2%, I hate to point this out to you but
> > > > you're agreeing with me. Yet it bothers you that I say almost exactly what
> > > > you just said.
>
> > > > > Hell, I've even gotten on a new bike that had the saddle set at my
> > > > > desired height based on an actual measurement, and by sitting on it
> > > > > for just a minute or so I can tell you how much to adjust for a saddle
> > > > > that flexes too much.
>
> > > > And when you're able to detect 2% I would be surprised if you couldn't tell
> > > > that the saddle was way off since flexible saddles can bend a centimeter or
> > > > two as well.
>
> > > > > Oh, hell... what do I know??? You're right, Tom. Sorry for misleading
> > > > > everyone.
>
> > > > You seem to know enough to agree with me while saying that you don't.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > Dumbass... I didn't say I could only tell if the saddle height was off
> > > by 2cm. I said within a cm or two I can tell you how much to move it
> > > to get it right without measuring first. Beyond a couple of cm out of
> > > norm it's so far off that I can't tell how much to adjust without
> > > measuring first. A couple of mm is within the 2cm limit, and yes... I
> > > can tell if I need to move the seatpost by only 1 or 2 mm. Big
> > > difference in that and agreeing with your dumb ass.
>
> > If Scott's saddle height is off by 1 mm the entire peloton notices
> > it.
>
> > Bret- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Hey, wait a minute... Have you been staring at my **** again?
On Jun 24, 8:48 pm, Scott <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Jun 24, 9:30 pm, Bret <[email protected]> wrote:
> > On Jun 24, 8:29 pm, Scott <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > Dumbass... I didn't say I could only tell if the saddle height was off
> > > by 2cm. I said within a cm or two I can tell you how much to move it
> > > to get it right without measuring first. Beyond a couple of cm outof
> > > norm it's so far off that I can't tell how much to adjust without
> > > measuring first. A couple of mm is within the 2cm limit, and yes... I
> > > can tell if I need to move the seatpost by only 1 or 2 mm. Big
> > > difference in that and agreeing with your dumb ass.
>
> > If Scott's saddle height is off by 1 mm the entire peloton notices
> > it.
>
> > Bret
>
> Hey, wait a minute... Have you been staring at my **** again?
When you ride up to people and ask if they've
got an allen wrench, that's the tipoff.
Hey, can you hold my post while I adjust this nut?
Tom Kunich wrote:
> "M-gineering" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Tom Kunich wrote:
>>
>>> You cannot detect 1 or 2 mm since that is about 0.1% of the distance
>>> from the saddle to the pedal. The human body has a difficult time
>>> detecting anything smaller than 2% variations successfully.
>>
>> Stick your 175 mm wide skull in a 178.5 and a 171.5mm wide opening and
>> please report back
>
> Marten, what exactly does that have to do with estimating lengths that
> can't easily be detected without measuring devices? Is it your
> impression that you can tell if your saddle is 1 mm (0.04") different in
> height? What about double that?
>
> My saddle height is 39" or 990 mm - if you really believe that I could
> tell whether my saddle height was off by 2 mm I wonder just how
> sensitive your senses are.
>
>
I thought the original question was whether an increase in cranklenght
from 172.5 to 175 would change the biomechanics to increase power and or
duration. Along the line this is changed to be equivalent to 'can you
measure cranklenght by pedalling half a revolution' and topped up with
the ridiculus statement that the human body cannot detect small variations.
And before anyone asks I'm not a succesfull coach, I but know a few who
are (who willl freely admit to zero knowledge about biomechanics )
On Jun 25, 6:42 am, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Jun 24, 11:34 pm, Scott <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > I'm big boned.
>
> Size isn't everything.
>
> Sorry.
>
> Someone had to tell him. --D-y
I'm guessing you're not a 'South Park' fan, or perhaps you'd have
caught the reference to Cartman's constant retort to any time the
other kids call him fat.
On Jun 25, 10:54 am, Scott <[email protected]> wrote:
> I'm guessing you're not a 'South Park' fan, or perhaps you'd have
> caught the reference to Cartman's constant retort to any time the
> other kids call him fat.
In article
<2af33847-8bd4-4398-a42a-d45a833cd2e8@m44g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>,
Scott <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Jun 25, 6:42 am, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote:
> > On Jun 24, 11:34 pm, Scott <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > > I'm big boned.
> >
> > Size isn't everything.
> >
> > Sorry.
> >
> > Someone had to tell him. --D-y
>
> I'm guessing you're not a 'South Park' fan, or perhaps you'd have
> caught the reference to Cartman's constant retort to any time the
> other kids call him fat.
Parker and Stone did not make it up.
The excuse was in circulation before South Park.
In article <[email protected]>,
Michael Press <[email protected]> wrote:
> In article
> <2af33847-8bd4-4398-a42a-d45a833cd2e8@m44g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>,
> Scott <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > On Jun 25, 6:42 am, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > On Jun 24, 11:34 pm, Scott <[email protected]> wrote:
> > >
> > > > I'm big boned.
> > >
> > > Size isn't everything.
> > >
> > > Sorry.
> > >
> > > Someone had to tell him. --D-y
> >
> > I'm guessing you're not a 'South Park' fan, or perhaps you'd have
> > caught the reference to Cartman's constant retort to any time the
> > other kids call him fat.
>
> Parker and Stone did not make it up.
> The excuse was in circulation before South Park.
Sure, but Scott didn't claim that they had invented that excuse, just that it's
seen common useage on that show.
--
tanx,
Howard
The bloody pubs are bloody dull
The bloody clubs are bloody full
Of bloody girls and bloody guys
With bloody murder in their eyes
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