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James Annan
Guest
James Thomson wrote:
> Are you suggesting that the carburizing could be responsible for
> eliminating the endurance limit in this steel?
I'm saying I read it on the internet (not specifically referring to
that steel, but in general). I don't know if it is true. It did
not seem implausible that surface hardening could increase
vulnerability to fatigue failure (cf anodised aluminium rims), but
I did not check it futher and am not an expert on this.
> Mostly though I take issue with prejudicial stuff like this:
>
> Oh, the myth purveyors have a ready list of excuses
> about how that test isn't fair, it picked on the poor steel
> frames, and in Real Life the steel would be bound to
> outlive the others. Steel is Real, after all, and they _know_
> that it doesn't fatigue, cos that old fart in the bike shop
> said so...
>
> SOP when prejudice comes up against evidence, sadly.
>
> You do know better.
Maybe, but I also know from the last year and a half's
tedious personal experience that there is always a vocal
element who will do their best to denigrate any and all
evidence that disagrees with their firmly-established
prejudices. It _is_ SOP when prejudice comes up against
evidence, and the quality of the evidence appears to have
little or nothing to do with it. There is not, and never
will be, a perfect test, but we have to use what evidence
there is.
Fortunately, in Real Life, even those who (initially)
disagree with me, are usually genuinely interested in
finding out the truth so tend to approach things with
a more open and objective mind.
James
> Are you suggesting that the carburizing could be responsible for
> eliminating the endurance limit in this steel?
I'm saying I read it on the internet (not specifically referring to
that steel, but in general). I don't know if it is true. It did
not seem implausible that surface hardening could increase
vulnerability to fatigue failure (cf anodised aluminium rims), but
I did not check it futher and am not an expert on this.
> Mostly though I take issue with prejudicial stuff like this:
>
> Oh, the myth purveyors have a ready list of excuses
> about how that test isn't fair, it picked on the poor steel
> frames, and in Real Life the steel would be bound to
> outlive the others. Steel is Real, after all, and they _know_
> that it doesn't fatigue, cos that old fart in the bike shop
> said so...
>
> SOP when prejudice comes up against evidence, sadly.
>
> You do know better.
Maybe, but I also know from the last year and a half's
tedious personal experience that there is always a vocal
element who will do their best to denigrate any and all
evidence that disagrees with their firmly-established
prejudices. It _is_ SOP when prejudice comes up against
evidence, and the quality of the evidence appears to have
little or nothing to do with it. There is not, and never
will be, a perfect test, but we have to use what evidence
there is.
Fortunately, in Real Life, even those who (initially)
disagree with me, are usually genuinely interested in
finding out the truth so tend to approach things with
a more open and objective mind.
James