Re: Top 10 Reasons why the Senate will screw U S

Discussion in 'General Fitness' started by Hank, Apr 6, 2006.

  1. Hank

    Hank Guest

    On 6 Apr 2006 05:12:33 -0700, [email protected] wrote:

    >
    >[email protected] wrote:
    >> There are ten main reasons the Senate will screw us
    >> and pass a watered down immigration bill.
    >>
    >> REASON NUMBER ONE:
    >> MONEY - The good Senators have too many investments
    >> in companies that are now addicted to cheap immigrant
    >> labor for their profits.
    >>
    >> REASON NUMBER TWO:
    >> MONEY - They don't want to rattle Wall Streets cage by
    >> admitting that millions of illegal workers are criminals
    >> under our current laws. And that millions of employers
    >> are also criminals for hiring illegal workers.
    >>
    >> REASON NUMBER THREE:
    >> VOTES - They're afraid of a backlash from Hispanic
    >> voters in the next election. What they don't understand
    >> is that many, if not most of the American Hispanic voters
    >> that actually vote, all agree that tougher immigration
    >> laws are neccessary to retain our way of life and
    >> to guarantee those same opportunities to future
    >> Americans and legal immigrants.
    >>
    >> REASON NUMBER FOUR:
    >> VOTES - They're afraid of the Catholic church and
    >> other religious entities out there, that believe we
    >> should turn the other cheek and let all
    >> immigrants enter this country whenever they want to.
    >>
    >> my favorite . . .
    >>
    >> REASON NUMBER FIVE:
    >> STUPIDITY - They just don't comprehend the irreversible
    >> damage that ignoring millions of illegal
    >> immigrants in this country and the millions more on their
    >> way is creating in our society and in our economy.
    >>
    >> REASON NUMBER SIX:
    >> SELFISH GREED - They're all ready to get back to bickering,
    >> name calling and grand standing on issues they can actually
    >> insult each other on and look good for their personal
    >> special interest groups that they all seem to represent
    >> more often than not.
    >>
    >> REASON NUMBER SEVEN:
    >> LIES - Most of them would have to admit that they
    >> employ illegal immigrants as servants, maids,
    >> cooks, landscapers and general go-for slaves.
    >>
    >> REASON NUMBER EIGHT:
    >> COWARDS - Most of them are afraid to stand up
    >> for what is right rather than be seen as traitors
    >> to extremist organizations they diligently pacify.
    >>
    >> REASON NUMBER NINE:
    >> FEAR - Most of them are afraid of the leaders
    >> in their political parties that follow the other
    >> eight reasons.
    >>
    >> REASON NUMBER TEN:
    >> IGNORANCE - Most of them are clueless to how
    >> Americans really feel about issues because they
    >> only listen to the press and the special interest lobbies,
    >> lawyers and extremist organizations camped out
    >> in Washington DC.
    >>
    >> Add your own reason here________________
    >> I'm sure there are many more.

    >
    >Change "reasons" to "counts" and it becomes an indictment. Charge the
    >swine with treason. Would it not be nice if there was a mechanism for
    >Citizens Tribunals? This waiting to vote this trash out of office takes
    >too long.
    >
    >John
    >
    >http://www.vdare.com/ V-Dare


    The brain-dead public takes their whippings without a bleat. Perhaps
    they deserve the fate that awaits them and their children.

    Will
     
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  2. Hank wrote:

    > The brain-dead public takes their whippings without a bleat. Perhaps
    > they deserve the fate that awaits them and their children.


    The corporations control the government. You can't blame
    the powerless voters or citizens. They know their place
    and are reduced to fighting over scraps off the corporate table.
     
  3. Sean Elkins

    Sean Elkins Guest

    In article <[email protected]>,
    [email protected] wrote:

    > Hank wrote:
    >
    > > The brain-dead public takes their whippings without a bleat. Perhaps
    > > they deserve the fate that awaits them and their children.

    >
    > The corporations control the government. You can't blame
    > the powerless voters or citizens. They know their place
    > and are reduced to fighting over scraps off the corporate table.


    1) Which corporations? Please name the top 10 for us so we can tell them
    to stop.

    2) Aren't corporations are made up of people that are voters and
    citizens acting in their own best interests? What's the difference in
    those people acting in their own best interest vs. you or I doing the
    same?
     
  4. Koko

    Koko Guest

    In article <[email protected]>,
    [email protected] says...
    >
    >In article <[email protected]>,
    > [email protected] wrote:
    >
    >> Hank wrote:
    >>
    >> > The brain-dead public takes their whippings without a bleat. Perhaps
    >> > they deserve the fate that awaits them and their children.

    >>
    >> The corporations control the government. You can't blame
    >> the powerless voters or citizens. They know their place
    >> and are reduced to fighting over scraps off the corporate table.

    >
    >1) Which corporations? Please name the top 10 for us so we can tell them
    >to stop.
    >
    >2) Aren't corporations are made up of people that are voters and
    >citizens acting in their own best interests? What's the difference in
    >those people acting in their own best interest vs. you or I doing the
    >same?


    HaHaHa...you're kidding, right?
    Corporations are designed for just one thing- making a profit.
    They'll pollute their own shareholders air and water.
    They'll outsource for lower labor costs.
    They'll steal and bribe.

    I, myself, prefer not to shit where I eat. Corporations do it all the time.
     
  5. Timberwoof

    Timberwoof Guest

    In article <[email protected]>,
    Sean Elkins <[email protected]> wrote:

    > In article <[email protected]>,
    > [email protected] wrote:
    >
    > > Hank wrote:
    > >
    > > > The brain-dead public takes their whippings without a bleat. Perhaps
    > > > they deserve the fate that awaits them and their children.

    > >
    > > The corporations control the government. You can't blame
    > > the powerless voters or citizens. They know their place
    > > and are reduced to fighting over scraps off the corporate table.

    >
    > 1) Which corporations? Please name the top 10 for us so we can tell them
    > to stop.


    All the chief posts of US federal agencies are filled with former executives
    from the industries they're supposed to regulate.

    > 2) Aren't corporations are made up of people that are voters and
    > citizens acting in their own best interests? What's the difference in
    > those people acting in their own best interest vs. you or I doing the
    > same?


    Boards of directors of corporations, whether public or private, represent
    majority stockholders, not stakeholders (employees, communities, citizens).
    Their mandate is to maximize profit for the stockholders, not necessarily to
    maximize political or environmental gain for everybody else.

    --
    Timberwoof <me at timberwoof dot com> http://www.timberwoof.com
     
  6. EatMe

    EatMe Guest

    I own a lot of XOM so kiss my ass.

    Drive your SUV at 80 please.

    Moron. Go live in central america or Byelorussia.

    Asswipes & whiners- nothing new under sun, always got the hand out
    "gimme gimme gimme". Shut up.
     
  7. EatMe

    EatMe Guest

    "I, myself, prefer not to shit where I eat. Corporations do it all the
    time. "

    I'll bet you get paid by the hour and live paycheck to paycheck.
     
  8. "Timberwoof" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    > In article <[email protected]>,
    > Sean Elkins <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >> In article <[email protected]>,
    >> [email protected] wrote:
    >>
    >> > Hank wrote:
    >> >
    >> > > The brain-dead public takes their whippings without a bleat. Perhaps
    >> > > they deserve the fate that awaits them and their children.
    >> >
    >> > The corporations control the government. You can't blame
    >> > the powerless voters or citizens. They know their place
    >> > and are reduced to fighting over scraps off the corporate table.

    >>
    >> 1) Which corporations? Please name the top 10 for us so we can tell them
    >> to stop.

    >
    > All the chief posts of US federal agencies are filled with former executives
    > from the industries they're supposed to regulate.
    >

    State and Federal legislators routinely work with private industry when crafting
    new legislation.

    >> 2) Aren't corporations are made up of people that are voters and
    >> citizens acting in their own best interests? What's the difference in
    >> those people acting in their own best interest vs. you or I doing the
    >> same?

    >

    In light of the recent windfalls by oil corporations, the state of Alaska has
    been looking at increasing our take of the action. After the Governor's
    proposed increase was criticized as being too little. British Petroleum held a
    press conference in response to say that we'd better watch out or we'll end up
    like Michigan and their auto-industry. They were just as arrogant during the
    Exxon Valdez oil spill too. We're still waiting for them to pay their fine for
    that little event.

    Robert
     
  9. Sean Elkins wrote:
    > 2) Aren't corporations are made up of people that are voters and
    > citizens acting in their own best interests? What's the difference in
    > those people acting in their own best interest vs. you or I doing the
    > same?

    I think you've just stumbled across the most important bit about capitalism:
    Everyone acts in his own best interest and the end result isn't in anyones
    interest at all.
    Kind of a negative synergy effect.

    Lots of Greetings!
    Volker
     
  10. Robert Haar

    Robert Haar Guest

    On 2006/4/8 4:28 AM, "Volker Hetzer" <[email protected]> wrote:

    > Sean Elkins wrote:
    >> 2) Aren't corporations are made up of people that are voters and
    >> citizens acting in their own best interests? What's the difference in
    >> those people acting in their own best interest vs. you or I doing the
    >> same?

    > I think you've just stumbled across the most important bit about capitalism:
    > Everyone acts in his own best interest and the end result isn't in anyones
    > interest at all.


    A.k.a. The Tragedy of the Commons - see
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tragedy_of_the_commons
     
  11. Sean Elkins

    Sean Elkins Guest

    In article <[email protected]>,
    Volker Hetzer <[email protected]> wrote:

    > Sean Elkins wrote:
    > > 2) Aren't corporations are made up of people that are voters and
    > > citizens acting in their own best interests? What's the difference in
    > > those people acting in their own best interest vs. you or I doing the
    > > same?

    > I think you've just stumbled across the most important bit about capitalism:
    > Everyone acts in his own best interest and the end result isn't in anyones
    > interest at all.
    > Kind of a negative synergy effect.
    >
    > Lots of Greetings!
    > Volker


    So what's the alternative? We've seen that communism and socialism
    produce the same end effect, and have the added disadvantage of a much
    lower standard of living to boot.
     
  12. Sean Elkins

    Sean Elkins Guest

    In article <[email protected]>,
    [email protected] (Koko) wrote:

    > In article <[email protected]>,
    > [email protected] says...
    > >
    > >In article <[email protected]>,
    > > [email protected] wrote:
    > >
    > >> Hank wrote:
    > >>
    > >> > The brain-dead public takes their whippings without a bleat. Perhaps
    > >> > they deserve the fate that awaits them and their children.
    > >>
    > >> The corporations control the government. You can't blame
    > >> the powerless voters or citizens. They know their place
    > >> and are reduced to fighting over scraps off the corporate table.

    > >
    > >1) Which corporations? Please name the top 10 for us so we can tell them
    > >to stop.
    > >
    > >2) Aren't corporations are made up of people that are voters and
    > >citizens acting in their own best interests? What's the difference in
    > >those people acting in their own best interest vs. you or I doing the
    > >same?

    >
    > HaHaHa...you're kidding, right?
    > Corporations are designed for just one thing- making a profit.
    > They'll pollute their own shareholders air and water.
    > They'll outsource for lower labor costs.
    > They'll steal and bribe.


    Steal and bribe? All of them? Or only specific ones, that then are
    publicly excoriated (see Enron)?

    >
    > I, myself, prefer not to shit where I eat. Corporations do it all the time.


    I read your response in rec.backcountry, a newsgroup about hiking and
    camping. Do you own any camping gear? Did you make it yourself, or did
    you employ a nasty corporation as your proxy to do your dirty work?

    Oh, you say you made it yourself? Did you drill your own oil well and
    then refine the oil to produce the nylon for your pack webbing and tent
    fabric? What's that? You bought it from a manufacturer?

    I can't believe that you would voluntarily use the products of such a
    evil cabal as a CORPORATION! The shame!

    Oh, who made the electricity that's running your computer? Are you
    hand-cranking a generator? And don't get me started on the toxic
    chemicals in your monitor...

    Talk about biting the hand that feeds.... it seems you owe a lot of your
    existence to those corporations... and I'll bet you didn't even send
    them a Christmas card. The shame!
     
  13. Hank

    Hank Guest

    Sean Elkins wrote:
    > [email protected] wrote:


    >>The corporations control the government. You can't blame
    >>the powerless voters or citizens. They know their place
    >>and are reduced to fighting over scraps off the corporate table.


    > 1) Which corporations? Please name the top 10 for us so we can tell them
    > to stop.


    > 2) Aren't corporations are made up of people that are voters and
    > citizens acting in their own best interests? What's the difference in
    > those people acting in their own best interest vs. you or I doing the
    > same?


    Wow. You really "think" that corporations have the best
    interests of U.S. citizens and the health of the environment
    as a priority? That level of ignorance is incredible.
    Have someone inform you about bu$h's cronies at Enron and
    Monsanto - just for starters...



    -


    http://www.st911.org



    Here's what happens to steel framed buildings exposed
    to raging infernos for hours on end.

    http://davesweb.cnchost.com/nwsltr69c.html

    On 9-11-01, WTC7, a 47 story steel framed building, which
    had only small, random fires, dropped in perfect symmetry
    at near free fall speed as in a perfectly executed controlled
    demolition.

    http://911research.wtc7.net/talks/wtc/videos.html
    http://www.physics.byu.edu/research/energy/htm7.html
    http://wtc7.net/articles/FEMA/WTC_ch5.htm


    "You're doin' a heckuva job, Brownie!" - bu$h, a few days
    before his FEMA chief, Micheal Brown was forced to resign
    because of his gross incompetence.

    "The tools that enable Cuba to save lives and preserve
    human dignity during hurricanes are socialist values
    and organization." - Dr. W.T. Whitney Jr

    Ever wonder who benefits from the 150 MILLION
    U.S. taxpayer dollars spent each DAY in Iraq?
    http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0223-08.htm
    http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?list=type&type=21

    "They are waging a campaign of murder and destruction. And
    there is no limit to the innocent lives they are willing to
    take... men with blind hatred and armed with lethal weapons
    who are capable of any atrocity... they respect no laws of
    warfare or morality."
    -bu$h describing his own illegal invasion of Iraq.
    http://www.robert-fisk.com/iraqwarvictims_mar2003.htm

    http://www.commondreams.org/
    http://www.truthout.org/
    http://www.prohibitioncosts.org/
    http://thirdworldtraveler.com/
    http://counterpunch.org/
    http://responsiblewealth.org/

    "Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things
    that matter." -- Martin Luther King Jr.

    "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President,
    or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is
    not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable
    to the American public."
    -- Theodore Roosevelt (1918)

    Don't let bu$h do to the United States what his very close
    friend and top campaign contributor, Ken Lay, did to Enron...
     
  14. Koko

    Koko Guest

    In article <[email protected]>,
    [email protected] says...
    >
    >"I, myself, prefer not to shit where I eat. Corporations do it all the
    >time. "
    >
    >I'll bet you get paid by the hour and live paycheck to paycheck.
    >

    Well, I do get paid my the hour, but I could go a month w/out a paycheck,
    and then I could live on credit for a year. Then my friends would
    invite me into their homes. I sleep soundly with a clear conscious.
     
  15. Koko

    Koko Guest

    In article <[email protected]>,
    [email protected] says...
    >
    >In article <[email protected]>,
    > Volker Hetzer <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >> Sean Elkins wrote:
    >> > 2) Aren't corporations are made up of people that are voters and
    >> > citizens acting in their own best interests? What's the difference in
    >> > those people acting in their own best interest vs. you or I doing the
    >> > same?

    >> I think you've just stumbled across the most important bit about

    capitalism:
    >> Everyone acts in his own best interest and the end result isn't in anyones
    >> interest at all.
    >> Kind of a negative synergy effect.
    >>
    >> Lots of Greetings!
    >> Volker

    >
    >So what's the alternative? We've seen that communism and socialism
    >produce the same end effect, and have the added disadvantage of a much
    >lower standard of living to boot.


    Regulated capitalism.
     
  16. Koko

    Koko Guest

    In article <[email protected]>,
    [email protected] says...
    >
    >In article <[email protected]>,
    > [email protected] (Koko) wrote:
    >
    >> In article <[email protected]>,
    >> [email protected] says...
    >> >
    >> >In article <[email protected]>,
    >> > [email protected] wrote:
    >> >
    >> >> Hank wrote:
    >> >>
    >> >> > The brain-dead public takes their whippings without a bleat. Perhaps
    >> >> > they deserve the fate that awaits them and their children.
    >> >>
    >> >> The corporations control the government. You can't blame
    >> >> the powerless voters or citizens. They know their place
    >> >> and are reduced to fighting over scraps off the corporate table.
    >> >
    >> >1) Which corporations? Please name the top 10 for us so we can tell them
    >> >to stop.
    >> >
    >> >2) Aren't corporations are made up of people that are voters and
    >> >citizens acting in their own best interests? What's the difference in
    >> >those people acting in their own best interest vs. you or I doing the
    >> >same?

    >>
    >> HaHaHa...you're kidding, right?
    >> Corporations are designed for just one thing- making a profit.
    >> They'll pollute their own shareholders air and water.
    >> They'll outsource for lower labor costs.
    >> They'll steal and bribe.

    >
    >Steal and bribe? All of them? Or only specific ones, that then are
    >publicly excoriated (see Enron)?
    >
    >>
    >> I, myself, prefer not to shit where I eat. Corporations do it all the time.

    >
    >I read your response in rec.backcountry, a newsgroup about hiking and
    >camping. Do you own any camping gear? Did you make it yourself, or did
    >you employ a nasty corporation as your proxy to do your dirty work?
    >
    >Oh, you say you made it yourself? Did you drill your own oil well and
    >then refine the oil to produce the nylon for your pack webbing and tent
    >fabric? What's that? You bought it from a manufacturer?
    >
    >I can't believe that you would voluntarily use the products of such a
    >evil cabal as a CORPORATION! The shame!
    >
    >Oh, who made the electricity that's running your computer? Are you
    >hand-cranking a generator? And don't get me started on the toxic
    >chemicals in your monitor...
    >
    >Talk about biting the hand that feeds.... it seems you owe a lot of your
    >existence to those corporations... and I'll bet you didn't even send
    >them a Christmas card. The shame!


    Excuse me, but are you a moron? or ,like, 17 years old?
    I have a Kelty pack, EMS bag, Svea 123 gas stove, sigg bottles,
    fabiano rhea hiking shoes. yes, i'm an old fart!

    I live in the world, as do the corporations, some good, some bad.
    Obviously, the behavior of the corps could be improved. This doesn't
    mean I think they should be abolished. go google "straw man argument"
    and get back to us later, ok?
     
  17. Sean Elkins

    Sean Elkins Guest

    In article <[email protected]>,
    [email protected] (Koko) wrote:

    > In article <[email protected]>,
    > [email protected] says...
    > >
    > >In article <[email protected]>,
    > > [email protected] (Koko) wrote:
    > >
    > >> In article <[email protected]>,
    > >> [email protected] says...
    > >> >
    > >> >In article <[email protected]>,
    > >> > [email protected] wrote:
    > >> >
    > >> >> Hank wrote:
    > >> >>
    > >> >> > The brain-dead public takes their whippings without a bleat. Perhaps
    > >> >> > they deserve the fate that awaits them and their children.
    > >> >>
    > >> >> The corporations control the government. You can't blame
    > >> >> the powerless voters or citizens. They know their place
    > >> >> and are reduced to fighting over scraps off the corporate table.
    > >> >
    > >> >1) Which corporations? Please name the top 10 for us so we can tell them
    > >> >to stop.
    > >> >
    > >> >2) Aren't corporations are made up of people that are voters and
    > >> >citizens acting in their own best interests? What's the difference in
    > >> >those people acting in their own best interest vs. you or I doing the
    > >> >same?
    > >>
    > >> HaHaHa...you're kidding, right?
    > >> Corporations are designed for just one thing- making a profit.
    > >> They'll pollute their own shareholders air and water.
    > >> They'll outsource for lower labor costs.
    > >> They'll steal and bribe.

    > >
    > >Steal and bribe? All of them? Or only specific ones, that then are
    > >publicly excoriated (see Enron)?
    > >
    > >>
    > >> I, myself, prefer not to shit where I eat. Corporations do it all the time.

    > >
    > >I read your response in rec.backcountry, a newsgroup about hiking and
    > >camping. Do you own any camping gear? Did you make it yourself, or did
    > >you employ a nasty corporation as your proxy to do your dirty work?
    > >
    > >Oh, you say you made it yourself? Did you drill your own oil well and
    > >then refine the oil to produce the nylon for your pack webbing and tent
    > >fabric? What's that? You bought it from a manufacturer?
    > >
    > >I can't believe that you would voluntarily use the products of such a
    > >evil cabal as a CORPORATION! The shame!
    > >
    > >Oh, who made the electricity that's running your computer? Are you
    > >hand-cranking a generator? And don't get me started on the toxic
    > >chemicals in your monitor...
    > >
    > >Talk about biting the hand that feeds.... it seems you owe a lot of your
    > >existence to those corporations... and I'll bet you didn't even send
    > >them a Christmas card. The shame!

    >
    > Excuse me, but are you a moron? or ,like, 17 years old?
    > I have a Kelty pack, EMS bag, Svea 123 gas stove, sigg bottles,
    > fabiano rhea hiking shoes. yes, i'm an old fart!
    >
    > I live in the world, as do the corporations, some good, some bad.
    > Obviously, the behavior of the corps could be improved. This doesn't
    > mean I think they should be abolished. go google "straw man argument"
    > and get back to us later, ok?


    Looks like the straw man held up just fine---after all, you had to
    resort to calling me a moron.

    You say that corporations steal and bribe---who wouldn't want to abolish
    an organization that did such awful things?

    It often seems to me that posters to this newsgroup (backcountry) in
    particular are blind to the "some good" part of your "some good, some
    bad" statement. As if two or more people automatically become evil
    whenever they band together for business purposes.

    I refer back to my first response in this thread: name the 10 worst
    offenders so we can punish them. But don't label all corporations as
    criminal like the old hippies and Mass. Democrats love to do, because
    corporations are made of individuals just like political parties and
    every other group.
     
  18. Sean Elkins

    Sean Elkins Guest

    In article <[email protected]>, Hank <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    > Sean Elkins wrote:
    > > [email protected] wrote:

    >
    > >>The corporations control the government. You can't blame
    > >>the powerless voters or citizens. They know their place
    > >>and are reduced to fighting over scraps off the corporate table.

    >
    > > 1) Which corporations? Please name the top 10 for us so we can tell them
    > > to stop.

    >
    > > 2) Aren't corporations are made up of people that are voters and
    > > citizens acting in their own best interests? What's the difference in
    > > those people acting in their own best interest vs. you or I doing the
    > > same?

    >
    > Wow. You really "think" that corporations have the best
    > interests of U.S. citizens and the health of the environment
    > as a priority? That level of ignorance is incredible.
    > Have someone inform you about bu$h's cronies at Enron and
    > Monsanto - just for starters...
    >
    >

    Response inserted here:

    You dare to chide me on my "ignorance" and then follow it with the utter
    sewage quoted below? Someone quoting 9/11 conspiracy theories in their
    ..sig file has very questionable standing to lambast me for anything.

    Now that I've established that I don't think you are credible, I will
    still be civil and repeat my original request: tell me the 10 worst
    corporations so I can do something about them.

    I assume Enron and Monsanto will make your list, but I think Enron has
    already been taken care of.
    >
    > -
    >
    >
    > http://www.st911.org
    >
    >
    >
    > Here's what happens to steel framed buildings exposed
    > to raging infernos for hours on end.
    >
    > http://davesweb.cnchost.com/nwsltr69c.html
    >
    > On 9-11-01, WTC7, a 47 story steel framed building, which
    > had only small, random fires, dropped in perfect symmetry
    > at near free fall speed as in a perfectly executed controlled
    > demolition.
    >
    > http://911research.wtc7.net/talks/wtc/videos.html
    > http://www.physics.byu.edu/research/energy/htm7.html
    > http://wtc7.net/articles/FEMA/WTC_ch5.htm
    >
    >
    > "You're doin' a heckuva job, Brownie!" - bu$h, a few days
    > before his FEMA chief, Micheal Brown was forced to resign
    > because of his gross incompetence.
    >
    > "The tools that enable Cuba to save lives and preserve
    > human dignity during hurricanes are socialist values
    > and organization." - Dr. W.T. Whitney Jr
    >
    > Ever wonder who benefits from the 150 MILLION
    > U.S. taxpayer dollars spent each DAY in Iraq?
    > http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0223-08.htm
    > http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?list=type&type=21
    >
    > "They are waging a campaign of murder and destruction. And
    > there is no limit to the innocent lives they are willing to
    > take... men with blind hatred and armed with lethal weapons
    > who are capable of any atrocity... they respect no laws of
    > warfare or morality."
    > -bu$h describing his own illegal invasion of Iraq.
    > http://www.robert-fisk.com/iraqwarvictims_mar2003.htm
    >
    > http://www.commondreams.org/
    > http://www.truthout.org/
    > http://www.prohibitioncosts.org/
    > http://thirdworldtraveler.com/
    > http://counterpunch.org/
    > http://responsiblewealth.org/
    >
    > "Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things
    > that matter." -- Martin Luther King Jr.
    >
    > "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President,
    > or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is
    > not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable
    > to the American public."
    > -- Theodore Roosevelt (1918)
    >
    > Don't let bu$h do to the United States what his very close
    > friend and top campaign contributor, Ken Lay, did to Enron...
     
  19. Koko

    Koko Guest

    In article <[email protected]>,
    [email protected] says...
    >
    >In article <[email protected]>,
    > [email protected] (Koko) wrote:
    >
    >> In article <[email protected]>,
    >> [email protected] says...
    >> >
    >> >In article <[email protected]>,
    >> > [email protected] (Koko) wrote:
    >> >
    >> >> In article <[email protected]>,
    >> >> [email protected] says...
    >> >> >
    >> >> >In article <[email protected]>,
    >> >> > [email protected] wrote:
    >> >> >
    >> >> >> Hank wrote:
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >> > The brain-dead public takes their whippings without a bleat.

    Perhaps
    >> >> >> > they deserve the fate that awaits them and their children.
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >> The corporations control the government. You can't blame
    >> >> >> the powerless voters or citizens. They know their place
    >> >> >> and are reduced to fighting over scraps off the corporate table.
    >> >> >
    >> >> >1) Which corporations? Please name the top 10 for us so we can tell

    them
    >> >> >to stop.
    >> >> >
    >> >> >2) Aren't corporations are made up of people that are voters and
    >> >> >citizens acting in their own best interests? What's the difference in
    >> >> >those people acting in their own best interest vs. you or I doing the
    >> >> >same?
    >> >>
    >> >> HaHaHa...you're kidding, right?
    >> >> Corporations are designed for just one thing- making a profit.
    >> >> They'll pollute their own shareholders air and water.
    >> >> They'll outsource for lower labor costs.
    >> >> They'll steal and bribe.
    >> >
    >> >Steal and bribe? All of them? Or only specific ones, that then are
    >> >publicly excoriated (see Enron)?
    >> >
    >> >>
    >> >> I, myself, prefer not to shit where I eat. Corporations do it all the

    time.
    >> >
    >> >I read your response in rec.backcountry, a newsgroup about hiking and
    >> >camping. Do you own any camping gear? Did you make it yourself, or did
    >> >you employ a nasty corporation as your proxy to do your dirty work?
    >> >
    >> >Oh, you say you made it yourself? Did you drill your own oil well and
    >> >then refine the oil to produce the nylon for your pack webbing and tent
    >> >fabric? What's that? You bought it from a manufacturer?
    >> >
    >> >I can't believe that you would voluntarily use the products of such a
    >> >evil cabal as a CORPORATION! The shame!
    >> >
    >> >Oh, who made the electricity that's running your computer? Are you
    >> >hand-cranking a generator? And don't get me started on the toxic
    >> >chemicals in your monitor...
    >> >
    >> >Talk about biting the hand that feeds.... it seems you owe a lot of your
    >> >existence to those corporations... and I'll bet you didn't even send
    >> >them a Christmas card. The shame!

    >>
    >> Excuse me, but are you a moron? or ,like, 17 years old?
    >> I have a Kelty pack, EMS bag, Svea 123 gas stove, sigg bottles,
    >> fabiano rhea hiking shoes. yes, i'm an old fart!
    >>
    >> I live in the world, as do the corporations, some good, some bad.
    >> Obviously, the behavior of the corps could be improved. This doesn't
    >> mean I think they should be abolished. go google "straw man argument"
    >> and get back to us later, ok?

    >
    >Looks like the straw man held up just fine---after all, you had to
    >resort to calling me a moron.
    >
    >You say that corporations steal and bribe---who wouldn't want to abolish
    >an organization that did such awful things?
    >
    >It often seems to me that posters to this newsgroup (backcountry) in
    >particular are blind to the "some good" part of your "some good, some
    >bad" statement. As if two or more people automatically become evil
    >whenever they band together for business purposes.
    >
    >I refer back to my first response in this thread: name the 10 worst
    >offenders so we can punish them. But don't label all corporations as
    >criminal like the old hippies and Mass. Democrats love to do, because
    >corporations are made of individuals just like political parties and
    >every other group.


    You didn't look up the meaning of strawman argument, I assume?
     
  20. why don't you take your spiced ham bullshit to the right
    newsgroup instead of crossposting it here you asshole...

    maddog
    ---
    make it idiot proof and someone
    will create a better idiot...
     
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