On Mar 27, 11:31 am, MagillaGorilla <
[email protected]> wrote:
> [email protected] wrote:
> > On Mar 26, 9:14 pm, MagillaGorilla <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Wrong.
I disagree.
> The adversarial attitude is constant and never ends.
"Fair day's work for a fair day's pay". My grandfather was General
Manager of a large foundry (large) back East; that's how he did it.
Witness a very long line of cars behind his hearse. OK?
I already recognized the adversarial element. FWIW, I had one jagoff
asshole give me **** about being "the best welder" when I was doing
sheetmetal enclosures at GE GPC in Illinois. I took pride in my work;
he was a worthless jagoff sorely lacking in personal values. Get me?
> Read this
> website and you will see how a real union acts in the best interest of
> its constituents:
>
> http://www.alpa.org
>
> You're just another dumb cyclist who thinks the UCI, teams, and
> promoters all have your best interest at heart. Let's not lose sight of
> the context in which unions was being discussed.
Context is OK. My understanding is OK. I don't think anyone has "my
best interests at heart". Jeeze, I'm not 12 years old. Or 10. Not to
mention my many references to unions' protecting their members, right
here in this thread a few times. Racers, all athletes are selling
their time and bodies to the circus (or the Man, if you will), just
like anyone who is in effect forced to labor for others in order to
have a roof and food to eat, etc.
'Scuse me if I skip the suggested reading and just comment that I've
seen a very real union or two **** in their metal messkits.
From today's New York Times:
(quote): The Caterpillar labor dispute seems to be considerably less
tough on Peoria's economy than when members of the United Auto Workers
Union struck for 207 days in 1982. That strike, retailers and city
officials say, caused spending and housing purchases to plunge and led
some businesses to close.
Mayor Maloof said the 1982 strike led a group of businesses and unions
to form an organization to seek ways of promoting better relations
between the two groups. "We thought that this organization would help
promote the image of Peoria being a place where labor and management
could work together," he said, referring to the Peoria Area Labor
Management. "And now we're stunned by this."
Some economists and retailers say they have seen some slippage in
Peoria's retail sales, to varying degrees.
Many here are fearful that the worst may yet lie ahead. Even if there
are replacement workers to fill the jobs of striking Caterpillar union
members, that will leave thousands of those strikers with lost jobs
and insufficient resources to pay mortgages, to buy clothing, let
alone go to movies. "We don't see any great sweeping decline in our
economy yet," said James F. Bubert, chairman and chief executive of
the First National Bank of Peoria. "But some people wonder if it's
coming." (end quote)
I lived nearby in '82. Union propaganda line: "We can't give up what
we've gained". Well, biz for big machinery was way down; the evils of
"downsizing" notwithstanding, the company was in difficult financial
times. Typical for the Midwest at the time. The strike was big-time as
stupid as you can get; hurt everyone involved. Made a bad situation
much, much worse.
As I referred to earlier, your former abilities IRT discussing/
debating with some distance (perspective) and most of all, humor, seem
to largely have left you when it comes to discussing doping in
cycling. Which is somewhat ironic, I guess, since the main problem
IMHO with the whole deal is the lack of humility-- humanity-- so
evident in the "anti-doper" camp, to use a description.
Thrown out for .3%? Not even a quick retest, just in case, as one
poster mentioned, there is some small amount of error in the "health
screen" process? I'm sure you read and/or saw the interview with Brit
coach Brailsford? Hayles not on a strong performance level at the time
of the screen? Well, at least no public/media "conviction by
performance".
And true, Hayles could have been trying to salvage something to take
away from the events, an inexperienced doper getting caught, but then
we'll have to see about the tests when they come in.
And please, the cops have let me off even for passing a stopped school
bus once (with red light flashing, at the school) and I'll spare you
the story unless you ask but the point is clear. --D-y
