Re: What if?

  • Thread starter Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> Neil Kelsey wrote:
> >
> > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > > Neil Kelsey wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > > > > oldwetdog wrote:
> > > > > > What if the Doctrine of "the rapture" is wrong?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I know it is wrong, but this is not a contest between you and me.
> > > > > > If you go to God and ask Him, and He shows you the Truth--that is
> > > > > > not a win/loose between you and me--it is a win/win for you and
> > > > > > Him--because God wants you to Know the Truth!!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > But I'm asking you, what if it is wrong? What will it take to
> > > > > > show you?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Is there any fulfillment of Prophecy which will show you the
> > > > > > Truth about this lie?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Or is there nothing--no evidence, no fulfillment of prophecy, or
> > > > > > world event that will save you from this lie?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If you choose to believe this lie, you are responsible for your
> > > > > > choice. (As I am, we all are.)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > He, that being often reproved hardeneth his neck, shall suddenly
> > > > > > be destroyed, and that without remedy. Solomon
> > > > > >
> > > > > > We are running out of time.
> > > > >
> > > > > Indeed, possibly less than 10 days remaining for the world as we
> > > > > currently know it.
> > > >
> > > > Can I have your house?
> > >
> > > I own nothing in this world.
> >
> > Are you lying?
>
> No.
>
> Those who walk with Christ have died to self.
>
> Just as HE is not of this world, we are no longer of this world.
>
> Everything that the world would have us "own," we use for the service of
> building HIS kingdom.

Did you buy the computer you're typing on?
 
Well, I will say for Dr. Chung, that I looked back to the very
beginning of his post, here, and it does seem that he's always been
saying this global catastrophe "may" occur. If it does not occur, it's
not like he has definately made a false prediction.

There's no doubt that Jesus attempts to guide every believer in every
thing they say and do in life (1 Cor. 10:31). To claim that everything
you say and do is guided by the Lord, however, seems to imply that you
never fail to discern or follow the Lord in how He leads you, and to
place God's stamp of approval on everything you say and do. For
example, if you claim the Lord is the one who guided you to warn people
about a global earthquake, and then that event does not happen, then
you are claiming the Lord has guided you to an innacurate understanding
of the Bible and how you should apply it, or that He has guided you to
an dramatic, uncertain understanding and application of the Bible,
which He most certainly did not.

At the very least, if this global catastrophe does not occur as
suggested, I would expect an admission that you have failed to discern
how the Lord was leading you to interpret the Bible, and communicate it
to others.
 
"Neil Kelsey" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
>> Neil Kelsey wrote:
>> >
>> > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
>> > > Neil Kelsey wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
>> > > > > oldwetdog wrote:
>> > > > > > What if the Doctrine of "the rapture" is wrong?
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > I know it is wrong, but this is not a contest between you and
>> > > > > > me.
>> > > > > > If you go to God and ask Him, and He shows you the Truth--that
>> > > > > > is
>> > > > > > not a win/loose between you and me--it is a win/win for you and
>> > > > > > Him--because God wants you to Know the Truth!!
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > But I'm asking you, what if it is wrong? What will it take to
>> > > > > > show you?
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Is there any fulfillment of Prophecy which will show you the
>> > > > > > Truth about this lie?
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Or is there nothing--no evidence, no fulfillment of prophecy,
>> > > > > > or
>> > > > > > world event that will save you from this lie?
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > If you choose to believe this lie, you are responsible for your
>> > > > > > choice. (As I am, we all are.)
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > He, that being often reproved hardeneth his neck, shall
>> > > > > > suddenly
>> > > > > > be destroyed, and that without remedy. Solomon
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > We are running out of time.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Indeed, possibly less than 10 days remaining for the world as we
>> > > > > currently know it.
>> > > >
>> > > > Can I have your house?
>> > >
>> > > I own nothing in this world.
>> >
>> > Are you lying?
>>
>> No.
>>
>> Those who walk with Christ have died to self.
>>
>> Just as HE is not of this world, we are no longer of this world.
>>
>> Everything that the world would have us "own," we use for the service of
>> building HIS kingdom.
>
> Did you buy the computer you're typing on?

He's probably one of those lazy ***** that lives off of their spouse.
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
Atheist ******* Extraordinaire
#1557
 
Pulpitfire wrote:
> Well, I will say for Dr. Chung, that I looked back to the very
> beginning of his post, here, and it does seem that he's always been
> saying this global catastrophe "may" occur. If it does not occur, it's
> not like he has definately made a false prediction.

I can be a prophet too based on that. I hereby pronounce that there
might be a terrorist attack by Muslim Fundamentalists on the United
States, within your lifetime. Praise [your god here]!

Now send me some money so I can keep my ministry alive.

> There's no doubt that Jesus attempts to guide every believer in every
> thing they say and do in life (1 Cor. 10:31).

I have plenty of doubts. I lean towards taht every believer in Jesus
are deluding themselves.

> To claim that everything
> you say and do is guided by the Lord, however, seems to imply that you
> never fail to discern or follow the Lord in how He leads you, and to
> place God's stamp of approval on everything you say and do. For
> example, if you claim the Lord is the one who guided you to warn people
> about a global earthquake, and then that event does not happen, then
> you are claiming the Lord has guided you to an innacurate understanding
> of the Bible and how you should apply it, or that He has guided you to
> an dramatic, uncertain understanding and application of the Bible,
> which He most certainly did not.

In a strange way, I agree with you.

> At the very least, if this global catastrophe does not occur as
> suggested, I would expect an admission that you have failed to discern
> how the Lord was leading you to interpret the Bible, and communicate it
> to others.

Mr Chung has stated he's not interested in making any retractions or
apologies if this blessed event does not occur.
 
Pulpitfire wrote:
> Well, I will say for Dr. Chung, that I looked back to the very
> beginning of his post, here, and it does seem that he's always been
> saying this global catastrophe "may" occur. If it does not occur, it's
> not like he has definately made a false prediction.
>
> There's no doubt that Jesus attempts to guide every believer in every
> thing they say and do in life (1 Cor. 10:31). To claim that everything
> you say and do is guided by the Lord, however, seems to imply that you
> never fail to discern or follow the Lord in how He leads you, and to
> place God's stamp of approval on everything you say and do. For
> example, if you claim the Lord is the one who guided you to warn people
> about a global earthquake, and then that event does not happen, then
> you are claiming the Lord has guided you to an innacurate understanding
> of the Bible and how you should apply it, or that He has guided you to
> an dramatic, uncertain understanding and application of the Bible,
> which He most certainly did not.
>
> At the very least, if this global catastrophe does not occur as
> suggested, I would expect an admission that you have failed to discern
> how the Lord was leading you to interpret the Bible, and communicate it
> to others.

Would suggest you read the Book of Jonah in the OT. It should serve
well to enlighten you provided the LORD allows you to understand it.

Will be available to "glow" and chat about this and other things like
cardiology, diabetes, Bird Flu, the 2006 global earthquake advisory,
cooking and nutrition that interest those following this thread here
during the next on-line chat (03/30/06) from 5 to 6 pm EST if the LORD
is willing:

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For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for
how the LORD has reshaped me:

http://tinyurl.com/7mcuo

Prayerfully in Christ's love,

Andrew
http://tinyurl.com/rgsp8
 
Neil Kelsey wrote:
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > Neil Kelsey wrote:
> > >
> > > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > > > Neil Kelsey wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > > > > > oldwetdog wrote:
> > > > > > > What if the Doctrine of "the rapture" is wrong?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I know it is wrong, but this is not a contest between you and me.
> > > > > > > If you go to God and ask Him, and He shows you the Truth--that is
> > > > > > > not a win/loose between you and me--it is a win/win for you and
> > > > > > > Him--because God wants you to Know the Truth!!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > But I'm asking you, what if it is wrong? What will it take to
> > > > > > > show you?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Is there any fulfillment of Prophecy which will show you the
> > > > > > > Truth about this lie?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Or is there nothing--no evidence, no fulfillment of prophecy, or
> > > > > > > world event that will save you from this lie?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > If you choose to believe this lie, you are responsible for your
> > > > > > > choice. (As I am, we all are.)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > He, that being often reproved hardeneth his neck, shall suddenly
> > > > > > > be destroyed, and that without remedy. Solomon
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > We are running out of time.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Indeed, possibly less than 10 days remaining for the world as we
> > > > > > currently know it.
> > > > >
> > > > > Can I have your house?
> > > >
> > > > I own nothing in this world.
> > >
> > > Are you lying?
> >
> > No.
> >
> > Those who walk with Christ have died to self.
> >
> > Just as HE is not of this world, we are no longer of this world.
> >
> > Everything that the world would have us "own," we use for the service of
> > building HIS kingdom.
>
> Did you buy the computer you're typing on?

No. The LORD has given me the computer that I am typing on so this
computer belongs to HIM.

Will be available to "glow" and chat about this and other things like
cardiology, diabetes, Bird Flu, the 2006 global earthquake advisory,
cooking and nutrition that interest those following this thread here
during the next on-line chat (03/30/06) from 5 to 6 pm EST if the LORD
is willing:

http://tinyurl.com/8w7uq

For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for
how the LORD has reshaped me:

http://tinyurl.com/7mcuo

Prayerfully in Christ's love,

Andrew
http://tinyurl.com/rgsp8
 
Les Hellawell wrote:
> On 28 Mar 2006 03:18:07 -0800, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >Les Hellawell wrote:
> >> On Tue, 28 Mar 2006 02:00:18 -0500, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
> >> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >Les Hellawell wrote:
> >> >> On 27 Mar 2006 04:38:37 -0800, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
> >> >> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >> >Les Hellawell wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >> The honest are not afraid of the truth.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >This would explain your fear.
> >> >>
> >> >> Fear? What fear?
> >> >> What are you talking about?
> >> >
> >> >Your language betrays the fear that is in your heart.
> >>
> >> "Ouch, you have my other cheek".
> >
> >You are quoting incorrectly.
>
> >> Namecalling is the crutch of the untruthful and betrays
> >> a servant of your LORD Satan. You glower and are
> >> ashamed of how he has shaped you yet still deny you
> >> are his servant.
> >
> >It should be clear to all with discerning hearts that you are a
> >stranger to the truth.
>
> Oh dear and that was the other cheek. I forgive you

Sorry you remain estranged from the truth. Thanks and praises to GOD
for your forgiving all my iniquities.

> >You remind me of a blind man feigning vision among the seeing.
>
> Another blow but I remaining standing. With truth on my
> side I am as a tall oak in a gale.

Actually, the truth is HIS own side. You would have known this had the
GOD given you a discerning heart.

>
> >> Should a cardiologist diagnose by post? You need do
> >> at least an ECG and BP first.
> >
> >Not for discerning the truth.
> >
> >> >> There is nothing here to fear except the sharp prongs on the
> >> >> roses I have just pruned in the garden but I wore some strong
> >> >> gloves.
> >> >>
> >> >> Nah, I busy preparing for my holiday next month.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> While those who walk with Satan know it not and snip it away.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >This would explain your behavior.
> >> >>
> >> >> No it explains your snipping the truth
> >> >
> >> >Actually, you are the one who has been doing the snipping.
> >>
> >> I do not snip the truth, SATAN'S advisories snip themselves
> >
> >Would suggest you be more truthful.
>
> And yet a further blow.

Truth has this effect on the untruthful.

> Yet I remain standing I have no fear of
> the devil's servants bearing false prophecy.

This remains an advisory and not prophecy.

Truth is simple.

Will be available to "glow" and chat about this and other things like
cardiology, diabetes, Bird Flu, the 2006 global earthquake advisory,
cooking and nutrition that interest those following this thread here
during the next on-line chat (03/30/06) from 5 to 6 pm EST if the LORD
is willing:

http://tinyurl.com/8w7uq

For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for
how the LORD has reshaped me:

http://tinyurl.com/7mcuo

Prayerfully in Christ's love,

Andrew
http://tinyurl.com/rgsp8
 
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> Neil Kelsey wrote:
> > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > > Neil Kelsey wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > > > > Neil Kelsey wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > > > > > > oldwetdog wrote:
> > > > > > > > What if the Doctrine of "the rapture" is wrong?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I know it is wrong, but this is not a contest between you and me.
> > > > > > > > If you go to God and ask Him, and He shows you the Truth--that is
> > > > > > > > not a win/loose between you and me--it is a win/win for you and
> > > > > > > > Him--because God wants you to Know the Truth!!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > But I'm asking you, what if it is wrong? What will it take to
> > > > > > > > show you?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Is there any fulfillment of Prophecy which will show you the
> > > > > > > > Truth about this lie?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Or is there nothing--no evidence, no fulfillment of prophecy, or
> > > > > > > > world event that will save you from this lie?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > If you choose to believe this lie, you are responsible for your
> > > > > > > > choice. (As I am, we all are.)
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > He, that being often reproved hardeneth his neck, shall suddenly
> > > > > > > > be destroyed, and that without remedy. Solomon
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > We are running out of time.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Indeed, possibly less than 10 days remaining for the world as we
> > > > > > > currently know it.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Can I have your house?
> > > > >
> > > > > I own nothing in this world.
> > > >
> > > > Are you lying?
> > >
> > > No.
> > >
> > > Those who walk with Christ have died to self.
> > >
> > > Just as HE is not of this world, we are no longer of this world.
> > >
> > > Everything that the world would have us "own," we use for the service of
> > > building HIS kingdom.
> >
> > Did you buy the computer you're typing on?
>
> No. The LORD has given me the computer that I am typing on so this
> computer belongs to HIM.

Translation: you see yourself as divine, so any act you do that is
otherwise indistinguishable from other people is elevated because of
your saintliness. Thus, you aren't "buying" a computer, you are
receiveing a gift from "God." Your ability to deceive yourself is jaw
dropping; you aren't deceiving others.

Oh, by the way, I predict something bad might happen to somebody in the
near future. Does that make me a prophet too?
 
Robibnikoff wrote:
> "Neil Kelsey" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> >
> > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> >> Neil Kelsey wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> >> > > Neil Kelsey wrote:
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> >> > > > > oldwetdog wrote:
> >> > > > > > What if the Doctrine of "the rapture" is wrong?
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > I know it is wrong, but this is not a contest between you and
> >> > > > > > me.
> >> > > > > > If you go to God and ask Him, and He shows you the Truth--that
> >> > > > > > is
> >> > > > > > not a win/loose between you and me--it is a win/win for you and
> >> > > > > > Him--because God wants you to Know the Truth!!
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > But I'm asking you, what if it is wrong? What will it take to
> >> > > > > > show you?
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > Is there any fulfillment of Prophecy which will show you the
> >> > > > > > Truth about this lie?
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > Or is there nothing--no evidence, no fulfillment of prophecy,
> >> > > > > > or
> >> > > > > > world event that will save you from this lie?
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > If you choose to believe this lie, you are responsible for your
> >> > > > > > choice. (As I am, we all are.)
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > He, that being often reproved hardeneth his neck, shall
> >> > > > > > suddenly
> >> > > > > > be destroyed, and that without remedy. Solomon
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > We are running out of time.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > Indeed, possibly less than 10 days remaining for the world as we
> >> > > > > currently know it.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Can I have your house?
> >> > >
> >> > > I own nothing in this world.
> >> >
> >> > Are you lying?
> >>
> >> No.
> >>
> >> Those who walk with Christ have died to self.
> >>
> >> Just as HE is not of this world, we are no longer of this world.
> >>
> >> Everything that the world would have us "own," we use for the service of
> >> building HIS kingdom.
> >
> > Did you buy the computer you're typing on?
>
> He's probably one of those lazy ***** that lives off of their spouse.

It seems he's just redefined the verb "to own."
 
On 28 Mar 2006 12:02:15 -0800, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Les Hellawell wrote:
>> On 28 Mar 2006 03:18:07 -0800, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >Les Hellawell wrote:
>> >> On Tue, 28 Mar 2006 02:00:18 -0500, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
>> >> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >> >Les Hellawell wrote:
>> >> >> On 27 Mar 2006 04:38:37 -0800, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
>> >> >> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >> >> >Les Hellawell wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> The honest are not afraid of the truth.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >This would explain your fear.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Fear? What fear?
>> >> >> What are you talking about?
>> >> >
>> >> >Your language betrays the fear that is in your heart.
>> >>
>> >> "Ouch, you have my other cheek".
>> >
>> >You are quoting incorrectly.
>>
>> >> Namecalling is the crutch of the untruthful and betrays
>> >> a servant of your LORD Satan. You glower and are
>> >> ashamed of how he has shaped you yet still deny you
>> >> are his servant.
>> >
>> >It should be clear to all with discerning hearts that you are a
>> >stranger to the truth.
>>
>> Oh dear and that was the other cheek. I forgive you
>
>Sorry you remain estranged from the truth. Thanks and praises to GOD
>for your forgiving all my iniquities.

That's ok no need to thank me just hurl some more insults instead.
Just like a true Christian who knows no shame. I forgive you your
trespass against me for you know not what you do.

Futher lies will bounce off unnoticed as a I turn my back on Satan's
bringer of prophesies and advisories intended to decieve.

--
Les Hellawell

Greetings from:
YORKSHIRE The White Rose County
 
On Sun, 26 Mar 2006 20:06:25 -0500, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email protected]> wrote:

>Les Hellawell wrote:
>>
>> On Sun, 26 Mar 2006 07:45:11 -0500, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> >Les Hellawell wrote:
>> >>
>> >> On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 19:58:48 -0500, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
>> >> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >Les Hellawell wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On 24 Mar 2006 19:03:39 -0800, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
>> >> >> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >...make straight paths for HIM.(Matthew 3:3 and Isaiah 40:3)
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >"Every valley shall be raised up, every mountain and hill made low; the
>> >> >> >rough ground shall become level, and the rugged places a plain."
>> >> >> >(Isaiah 40:4)
>> >> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >> What an awfull thought.
>> >> >
>> >> >It would be a worse case scenario.
>> >> >
>> >> >> All our beautiful countryside levelled
>> >> >> to a bland plain like the Gobi desert or the vast plains of Hungary.
>> >> >
>> >> >And, so there would be great sorrow.
>> >>
>> >> >> A devilish scheme no doubt rather like strip mining.
>> >> >
>> >> >The devil does not have such power.
>> >>
>> >> I guess his servant, who stands and bows before him, knows
>> >> him better than his opponent who stays away
>> >
>> >Actually, those who worship satan are the ones who overestimate him.
>>
>> Never overestimate the enemy.
>
>Actually, it is wiser to not underestimate the enemy. Thankfully, LORD
>Jesus Christ has soundly defeated satan so that those who walk with
>Christ need not fear anything in this world.

Its good to see Jesus able to defeat God in some areas.

<Snip demented rantings>

>Andrew
>--
>Andrew B. Chung

Barry
=====
Home page
http://members.iinet.net.au/~barry.og
 
On Mon, 27 Mar 2006 06:11:18 -0500, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email protected]> wrote:

>Les Hellawell wrote:
>>
>> On Sun, 26 Mar 2006 20:06:25 -0500, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> >Les Hellawell wrote:
>> >>
>> >> On Sun, 26 Mar 2006 07:45:11 -0500, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
>> >> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >Les Hellawell wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 19:58:48 -0500, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
>> >> >> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >Les Hellawell wrote:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> On 24 Mar 2006 19:03:39 -0800, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
>> >> >> >> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >...make straight paths for HIM.(Matthew 3:3 and Isaiah 40:3)
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >"Every valley shall be raised up, every mountain and hill made low; the
>> >> >> >> >rough ground shall become level, and the rugged places a plain."
>> >> >> >> >(Isaiah 40:4)
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> What an awfull thought.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >It would be a worse case scenario.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> All our beautiful countryside levelled
>> >> >> >> to a bland plain like the Gobi desert or the vast plains of Hungary.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >And, so there would be great sorrow.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> A devilish scheme no doubt rather like strip mining.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >The devil does not have such power.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I guess his servant, who stands and bows before him, knows
>> >> >> him better than his opponent who stays away
>> >> >
>> >> >Actually, those who worship satan are the ones who overestimate him.
>> >>
>> >> Never overestimate the enemy.
>>
>> >
>> >Actually, it is wiser to not underestimate the enemy.
>>
>> You are quite right
>
>It is LORD Jesus Christ Who is kind, just, and right.

Perhaps, but again God was cunning when he created Jesus, for Jesus
does not have the power to fully defend us from God.

<Snip demented rantings>

>Andrew
>--
>Andrew B. Chung

Barry
=====
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On Mon, 27 Mar 2006 08:43:36 +0100, Les Hellawell <[email protected]> wrote:

>On Sun, 26 Mar 2006 20:06:25 -0500, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Les Hellawell wrote:
>>>
>>> On Sun, 26 Mar 2006 07:45:11 -0500, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>> >Les Hellawell wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 19:58:48 -0500, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
>>> >> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> >Les Hellawell wrote:
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> On 24 Mar 2006 19:03:39 -0800, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
>>> >> >> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> >...make straight paths for HIM.(Matthew 3:3 and Isaiah 40:3)
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >"Every valley shall be raised up, every mountain and hill made low; the
>>> >> >> >rough ground shall become level, and the rugged places a plain."
>>> >> >> >(Isaiah 40:4)
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> What an awfull thought.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >It would be a worse case scenario.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >> All our beautiful countryside levelled
>>> >> >> to a bland plain like the Gobi desert or the vast plains of Hungary.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >And, so there would be great sorrow.
>>> >>
>>> >> >> A devilish scheme no doubt rather like strip mining.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >The devil does not have such power.
>>> >>
>>> >> I guess his servant, who stands and bows before him, knows
>>> >> him better than his opponent who stays away
>>> >
>>> >Actually, those who worship satan are the ones who overestimate him.
>>>
>>> Never overestimate the enemy.
>
>>
>>Actually, it is wiser to not underestimate the enemy.
>
>You are quite right that was a silly slip of the pen on my
>part I meant not to underestimate the enemy. I percieve your
>devilishs tricks finally deceived me. We are all deceived by
>Satan from time to time.

Indeed, Satan is one of God's best creations.

>> Thankfully, LORD
>>Jesus Christ has soundly defeated satan so that those who walk with
>>Christ need not fear anything in this world.
>
>If you think that you are a fool but I guess any servant of his
>is. I recognise Satan trapped me but when will you realised you
>are snared completely?

God was very cunning when he created Satan. Satan has a higher moral
standing than God but God makes sure Satan gets only bad press.

>>...make straight paths for HIM. (Matthew 3:3 and Isaiah 40:3)
>
>He can make his own paths better than you (destroying as he
>goes?) Don't try building straight roads here, they will be all
>out protesting against it!
>
><Another false Biblical prphesy snipped.>
>
>Knowing how good the Bible is at prediction we can be
>confident that the 29th will be just another ordinary day.
>
>Like any ordinary day they will be several earthquakes
>somewhere around the world, serious ones occur regularly
>and there are at least two overdue in the USA (San Andreas
>andYosemitie) so they might be a serious one there might
>not. There will be a solar eclipses, a fairly common event
>we can predict accurately, there might be a mudslide
>or flood. certainly lightning storms somewhere, plenty of
>sunshine and rain. Maybe a bush fire in Aus, continued
>drought in Africa and several conflicts. Maybe a bomb
>or two in the name of god (God is great) will kill hundreds.
>
>Just an ordinary day on this wonderful earth of ours that
>idiots tell us was created by an all loving and good god.

We know for sure there is no loving and good God.

>--
>Les Hellawell

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=====
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On Mon, 27 Mar 2006 13:10:15 +0100, Les Hellawell <[email protected]> wrote:

>On Mon, 27 Mar 2006 06:11:18 -0500, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Les Hellawell wrote:
>>>
>>> On Sun, 26 Mar 2006 20:06:25 -0500, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>> >Les Hellawell wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> On Sun, 26 Mar 2006 07:45:11 -0500, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
>>> >> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> >Les Hellawell wrote:
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 19:58:48 -0500, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
>>> >> >> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> >Les Hellawell wrote:
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> On 24 Mar 2006 19:03:39 -0800, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
>>> >> >> >> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> >...make straight paths for HIM.(Matthew 3:3 and Isaiah 40:3)
>>> >> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >> >"Every valley shall be raised up, every mountain and hill made low; the
>>> >> >> >> >rough ground shall become level, and the rugged places a plain."
>>> >> >> >> >(Isaiah 40:4)
>>> >> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> What an awfull thought.
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >It would be a worse case scenario.
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >> All our beautiful countryside levelled
>>> >> >> >> to a bland plain like the Gobi desert or the vast plains of Hungary.
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >And, so there would be great sorrow.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> A devilish scheme no doubt rather like strip mining.
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >The devil does not have such power.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> I guess his servant, who stands and bows before him, knows
>>> >> >> him better than his opponent who stays away
>>> >> >
>>> >> >Actually, those who worship satan are the ones who overestimate him.
>>> >>
>>> >> Never overestimate the enemy.
>>>
>>> >
>>> >Actually, it is wiser to not underestimate the enemy.
>>>
>>> You are quite right
>>
>>It is LORD Jesus Christ Who is kind, just, and right.
>
>The honest are not afraid of the truth. While those who
>walk with Satan know it not and snip it away.

The truth is that there is no Satan, and no God and none of God's
motley crew.

>--
>Les Hellawell

Barry
=====
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On Tue, 28 Mar 2006 02:00:09 -0500, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email protected]> wrote:

>ensenadajim wrote:
>> On Mon, 27 Mar 2006 06:11:29 -0500, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >ensenadajim wrote:
>> >> On Sun, 26 Mar 2006 07:45:47 -0500, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >> >ensenadajim wrote:
>> >> >> On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 06:55:29 -0500, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
>> >> >> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >> >> >"Mark K. Bilbo" wrote:
>> >> >> >> Previously, on alt.atheism, Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD in episode
>> >> >> >> <[email protected]>...
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> > that may possibly happen in less than 5 days
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> "may possibly"
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Do I smell a hedge?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >No.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >This is a mere watchman (not a prophet) calling out what he is seeing.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> You are so blinded by your stupidity, you cannot watch anything.
>> >> >
>> >> >As if the blind can evaluate the vision of the seeing.
>> >>
>> >> Oh my, another ASSumption on your part
>> >
>> >Truth is not an assumption.
>>
>> The ASSumption is that you can see it.
>
>Only those who believe in the LORD and are vigilant will see HIM coming.

Why does God play games like that?

>Truth is simple.

You don't know the truth.

<Sip demented rantings>

>Andrew
>--

Barry
=====
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Barry OGrady wrote:
> On Tue, 28 Mar 2006 02:00:09 -0500, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >ensenadajim wrote:
> >> On Mon, 27 Mar 2006 06:11:29 -0500, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
> >> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >ensenadajim wrote:
> >> >> On Sun, 26 Mar 2006 07:45:47 -0500, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >> >ensenadajim wrote:
> >> >> >> On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 06:55:29 -0500, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
> >> >> >> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >> >> >"Mark K. Bilbo" wrote:
> >> >> >> >> Previously, on alt.atheism, Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD in episode
> >> >> >> >> <[email protected]>...
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> > that may possibly happen in less than 5 days
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> "may possibly"
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> Do I smell a hedge?
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >No.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >This is a mere watchman (not a prophet) calling out what he is seeing.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> You are so blinded by your stupidity, you cannot watch anything.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >As if the blind can evaluate the vision of the seeing.
> >> >>
> >> >> Oh my, another ASSumption on your part
> >> >
> >> >Truth is not an assumption.
> >>
> >> The ASSumption is that you can see it.
> >
> >Only those who believe in the LORD and are vigilant will see HIM coming.
>
> Why does God play games like that?

This is not a game but a test to separate the wheat from the weeds.

> >Truth is simple.
>
> You don't know the truth.

"I am the way, the truth, and the life..." -- LORD Jesus Christ

"Prepare the way for the LORD, make straight paths for HIM." (Matthew
3:3 and Isaiah 40:3)

"Every valley shall be raised up, every mountain and hill made low; the
rough ground shall become level, and the rugged places a plain."
(Isaiah 40:4)

Dear Friend,

Through many days of prayer seeking the LORD's guidance on how to
effectively call out as one of HIS lowly watchmen regarding a "great
earthquake" (Revelation 6:12) that may possibly happen sometime between
now and 7-8 hrs, the above verses which are from both the OT and the NT
came to mind.

This electronic message will be a feeble solitary voice calling out
into the desert that is the Internet ever hopeful that it will be heard
by all so that "the glory of the LORD will be revealed." (Isaiah 40:5)
Please help by conveying this message to everyone you know. It will be
my fervent prayer, in Jesus' most precious and holy name, that all who
understand the essence of this message will be protected from all harm
in this time that may possibly be leading to "the great tribulation"
referenced in the 14th verse of Revelation 7. Please join me in our
collectively praying for GOD's protection, HIS continued mercy and HIS
infinite grace for all those who are blessed by an understanding of
this message.

At 7:00 AM Eastern Standard Time today (03/29/06), an unusual total
solar eclipse will happen in Turkey at 2:00 PM (their time) that will
darken the skies of the ancient cities where the 7 Churches of Christ
reside in the same order as given **twice** in Revelation (1:11 and
then chapters 2 through 3). A parallel solar eclipse apparently
happened on this same day (March 29th) in 70AD, which is the year that
Jerusalem was destroyed. This upcoming total solar eclipse next
Wednesday could very well be the same eclipse that was seen by John in
the prophetic vision given to him by LORD Jesus Christ as described in
the 12th verse of Revelation 6. A "great earthquake" is linked to this
solar eclipse visualized by John as described in Revelation 6:12.

For more details including a link that has descriptions of recent
observed events that may possibly represent the elements in Revelation
6 that precede the "great earthquake" heralded by the 12th verse,
please visit the following online article:

http://MabletonGA.OurLittle.net/SolarEclipse

You are invited to sign up for being notified about the next on-line
HeartMDPhD.com chat to ask questions and confirm the authenticity of
this message and its author:

http://www.HeartMDPhD.com/chat.asp

In the continued interest of making this message "on-topic" for the
USENET newsgroups ACC, SMC, AA, and RFC that are its initial
recipients, would be glad to also chat about LORD Jesus Christ,
cardiology, atheism, and/or cooking food.

Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,

Andrew
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Cardiologist and Foundation Advisor
http://www.TheWellnessFoundation.com/
 
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> Pulpitfire wrote:
> > Well, I will say for Dr. Chung, that I looked back to the very
> > beginning of his post, here, and it does seem that he's always been
> > saying this global catastrophe "may" occur. If it does not occur, it's
> > not like he has definately made a false prediction.
> >
> > There's no doubt that Jesus attempts to guide every believer in every
> > thing they say and do in life (1 Cor. 10:31). To claim that everything
> > you say and do is guided by the Lord, however, seems to imply that you
> > never fail to discern or follow the Lord in how He leads you, and to
> > place God's stamp of approval on everything you say and do. For
> > example, if you claim the Lord is the one who guided you to warn people
> > about a global earthquake, and then that event does not happen, then
> > you are claiming the Lord has guided you to an innacurate understanding
> > of the Bible and how you should apply it, or that He has guided you to
> > an dramatic, uncertain understanding and application of the Bible,
> > which He most certainly did not.
> >
> > At the very least, if this global catastrophe does not occur as
> > suggested, I would expect an admission that you have failed to discern
> > how the Lord was leading you to interpret the Bible, and communicate it
> > to others.
>
> Would suggest you read the Book of Jonah in the OT. It should serve
> well to enlighten you provided the LORD allows you to understand it.

Yeah, I've read Jonah, and know what it means. We'll see who discerns
what the Bible means, and how it should be applied, in about 6 hours
from the time of this post, Lord willing.
 
Pulpitfire wrote:
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > Pulpitfire wrote:
> > > Well, I will say for Dr. Chung, that I looked back to the very
> > > beginning of his post, here, and it does seem that he's always been
> > > saying this global catastrophe "may" occur. If it does not occur, it's
> > > not like he has definately made a false prediction.
> > >
> > > There's no doubt that Jesus attempts to guide every believer in every
> > > thing they say and do in life (1 Cor. 10:31). To claim that everything
> > > you say and do is guided by the Lord, however, seems to imply that you
> > > never fail to discern or follow the Lord in how He leads you, and to
> > > place God's stamp of approval on everything you say and do. For
> > > example, if you claim the Lord is the one who guided you to warn people
> > > about a global earthquake, and then that event does not happen, then
> > > you are claiming the Lord has guided you to an innacurate understanding
> > > of the Bible and how you should apply it, or that He has guided you to
> > > an dramatic, uncertain understanding and application of the Bible,
> > > which He most certainly did not.
> > >
> > > At the very least, if this global catastrophe does not occur as
> > > suggested, I would expect an admission that you have failed to discern
> > > how the Lord was leading you to interpret the Bible, and communicate it
> > > to others.
> >
> > Would suggest you read the Book of Jonah in the OT. It should serve
> > well to enlighten you provided the LORD allows you to understand it.
>
> Yeah, I've read Jonah, and know what it means. We'll see who discerns
> what the Bible means, and how it should be applied, in about 6 hours
> from the time of this post, Lord willing.

GOD's gift of reading comprehension is not the same as HIS gift of a
discerning heart.

It seems you have neither gift.

"Prepare the way for the LORD, make straight paths for HIM." (Matthew
3:3 and Isaiah 40:3)

"Every valley shall be raised up, every mountain and hill made low; the
rough ground shall become level, and the rugged places a plain."
(Isaiah 40:4)

Dear Friend,

Through many days of prayer seeking the LORD's guidance on how to
effectively call out as one of HIS lowly watchmen regarding a "great
earthquake" (Revelation 6:12) that may possibly happen sometime between
now and around 5-6 hrs, the above verses which are from both the OT and
the NT came to mind.

This electronic message will be a feeble solitary voice calling out
into the desert that is the Internet ever hopeful that it will be heard
by all so that "the glory of the LORD will be revealed." (Isaiah 40:5)
Please help by conveying this message to everyone you know. It will be
my fervent prayer, in Jesus' most precious and holy name, that all who
understand the essence of this message will be protected from all harm
in this time that may possibly be leading to "the great tribulation"
referenced in the 14th verse of Revelation 7. Please join me in our
collectively praying for GOD's protection, HIS continued mercy and HIS
infinite grace for all those who are blessed by an understanding of
this message.

At 7:00 AM Eastern Standard Time today (03/29/06), an unusual total
solar eclipse will happen in Turkey at 2:00 PM (their time) that will
darken the skies of the ancient cities where the 7 Churches of Christ
reside in the same order as given **twice** in Revelation (1:11 and
then chapters 2 through 3). A parallel solar eclipse apparently
happened on this same day (March 29th) in 70AD, which is the year that
Jerusalem was destroyed. This upcoming total solar eclipse today could
very well be the same eclipse that was seen by John in the prophetic
vision given to him by LORD Jesus Christ as described in the 12th verse
of Revelation 6. A "great earthquake" is linked to this solar eclipse
visualized by John as described in Revelation 6:12.

For more details including a link that has descriptions of recent
observed events that may possibly represent the elements in Revelation
6 that precede the "great earthquake" heralded by the 12th verse,
please visit the following online article:

http://MabletonGA.OurLittle.net/SolarEclipse

You are invited to sign up for being notified about the next on-line
HeartMDPhD.com chat to ask questions and confirm the authenticity of
this message and its author:

http://www.HeartMDPhD.com/chat.asp

In the continued interest of making this message "on-topic" for the
USENET newsgroups ACC, SMC, AA, and RFC that are its initial
recipients, would be glad to also chat about LORD Jesus Christ,
cardiology, atheism, and/or cooking food.

Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,

Andrew
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Cardiologist and Foundation Advisor
http://www.TheWellnessFoundation.com/
 
Barry OGrady <atheist.***@gmail.com> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> On Sun, 26 Mar 2006 20:06:25 -0500, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Les Hellawell wrote:
>>>
>>> On Sun, 26 Mar 2006 07:45:11 -0500, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>> >Les Hellawell wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 19:58:48 -0500, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
>>> >> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> >Les Hellawell wrote:
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> On 24 Mar 2006 19:03:39 -0800, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
>>> >> >> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> >...make straight paths for HIM.(Matthew 3:3 and Isaiah
40:3)
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >"Every valley shall be raised up, every mountain and hill
>>> >> >> >made low; the rough ground shall become level, and the
rugged
>>> >> >> >places a plain." (Isaiah 40:4)
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> What an awfull thought.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >It would be a worse case scenario.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >> All our beautiful countryside levelled
>>> >> >> to a bland plain like the Gobi desert or the vast plains of
>>> >> >> Hungary.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >And, so there would be great sorrow.
>>> >>
>>> >> >> A devilish scheme no doubt rather like strip mining.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >The devil does not have such power.
>>> >>
>>> >> I guess his servant, who stands and bows before him, knows
>>> >> him better than his opponent who stays away
>>> >
>>> >Actually, those who worship satan are the ones who overestimate
>>> >him.
>>>
>>> Never overestimate the enemy.
>>
>>Actually, it is wiser to not underestimate the enemy. Thankfully,
>>LORD Jesus Christ has soundly defeated satan so that those who walk
>>with Christ need not fear anything in this world.
>
> Its good to see Jesus able to defeat God in some areas.
>
> <Snip demented rantings>
>
>>Andrew
>>--
>>Andrew B. Chung
>
> Barry
> =====
> Home page
> http://members.iinet.net.au/~barry.og

....the hell? Michael was the one that defeated Satan and tossed him
out of heaven according to my sunday school. How can he be a true
christian kook if he doesn't even know the first thing about
christianity?
 
Ok, so now the time of your "possible" global earthquake has passed.
So is the Lord the one who guided you to say what you did about that
event? Did you discern Bible prophecy correctly? The answer to these
questions is now a confirmed NO.
 
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