Re: When did EPO become popular in pro cycling?

[benjo maso]

"Milliano" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Does anyone know, or have information that may suggest a particular
> time that it did become popular?
>
> I've heard conflicting reports. Some saying that suddenly a vast
> majority were doing it in 1991. Others saying that it started in the
> mid-late 1980's.
>
> I've also heard that it can offer big performance increases, and that
> when it did arrive, it must have been suddenly widespread.
>
> Or at least, when did it start? Is there any information that suggests
> that one or two riders began to use it in the 1980's?
>
> Maybe it first started in a different endurance sport?
>
> Knowing this stuff could be quite interesting when studying results
> through 1985-1995.
>


It seems that the first sport in which Epo was used, was cross-country ski
in 1987. At the end of the 1980's there were already some cyclists
experimenting with the new product, sometimes with fatal consequences. In
1990 it came on the list of illicit products. In 1992-93 it started to
become popular in bicycle racing, but ity was still in a rather
experimenting stage. It was only thanks to dr. Michele Ferrari working for
Gewiss in 1994-95, that there was expertise enough to use it systematically.
So from 1996 on it was used generally.

Benjo

 

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experimenting stage. It was only thanks to dr. Michele Ferrari working
for
Gewiss in 1994-95, that there was expertise enough to use it
systematically.
So from 1996 on it was used generally.

Benjo

-----------------------------------
ah yes, LBL in 94 right? the Gewiss 1-2-3, that was pretty fantastic.
I must admit to being a Berzin fan, in 95, the way he and Urgumov would

attack each other in the Giro was another great spectacle.
I also liked the way Urgumov looked liked an old homeless man on
the podium, he looked like he was 75 years old, he also
gave Indurain some competition in the mountains.
A generation of Russian cyclists who were good for two or three
years was also interesting
Bobrik, Goncthenkov, Berzin,.

 

[Stu Fleming]

[email protected] wrote:
> experimenting stage. It was only thanks to dr. Michele Ferrari working
> for
> Gewiss in 1994-95, that there was expertise enough to use it
> systematically.
> So from 1996 on it was used generally.
>
> Benjo
>
> -----------------------------------
> ah yes, LBL in 94 right? the Gewiss 1-2-3, that was pretty fantastic.
> I must admit to being a Berzin fan, in 95, the way he and Urgumov would

Tirreno-Adriatico 1994.

 

[benjo maso]

"Stu Fleming" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> [email protected] wrote:
>> experimenting stage. It was only thanks to dr. Michele Ferrari working
>> for
>> Gewiss in 1994-95, that there was expertise enough to use it
>> systematically.
>> So from 1996 on it was used generally.
>>
>> Benjo
>>
>> -----------------------------------
>> ah yes, LBL in 94 right? the Gewiss 1-2-3, that was pretty fantastic.
>> I must admit to being a Berzin fan, in 95, the way he and Urgumov would
>
> Tirreno-Adriatico 1994.

And Milan-San Remo and above all the Flèche Wallone 1994, when the three
Gewiss riders Argentin, Furlan and Berzin outclassed Bugno, Casagrande,
Chiapucci and all the other suckers who weren't smart enough to hire
Ferrari.

Benjo

 

[Bob Martin]

in 484216 20050905 133237 "benjo maso" <[email protected]> wrote:
>"Stu Fleming" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> [email protected] wrote:
>>> experimenting stage. It was only thanks to dr. Michele Ferrari working
>>> for
>>> Gewiss in 1994-95, that there was expertise enough to use it
>>> systematically.
>>> So from 1996 on it was used generally.
>>>
>>> Benjo
>>>
>>> -----------------------------------
>>> ah yes, LBL in 94 right? the Gewiss 1-2-3, that was pretty fantastic.
>>> I must admit to being a Berzin fan, in 95, the way he and Urgumov would
>>
>> Tirreno-Adriatico 1994.
>
>And Milan-San Remo and above all the Flèche Wallone 1994, when the three
>Gewiss riders Argentin, Furlan and Berzin outclassed Bugno, Casagrande,
>Chiapucci and all the other suckers who weren't smart enough to hire
>Ferrari.

They won by a country-mile, didn't they? I can still see the TV pics ...

 

[Baird Webel]

Bob Martin wrote:
> in 484216 20050905 133237 "benjo maso" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>"Stu Fleming" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:[email protected]...
>>

>>And Milan-San Remo and above all the Flèche Wallone 1994, when the three
>>Gewiss riders Argentin, Furlan and Berzin outclassed Bugno, Casagrande,
>>Chiapucci and all the other suckers who weren't smart enough to hire
>>Ferrari.
>
>
> They won by a country-mile, didn't they? I can still see the TV pics ...

The three of them just rode away the 2nd to last time up the Mur, which
was a long way from the end. It was a pretty good gap by the finish.
If memory serves, the rider in 4th as the gap opened was also a Gewiss
rider...and the rider in 5th was Armstrong.

Baird

 

[Ryan Cousineau]

In article <ir4Te.14179$QN4.9254@trnddc02>,
Baird Webel <[email protected]> wrote:

> Bob Martin wrote:
> > in 484216 20050905 133237 "benjo maso" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >>"Stu Fleming" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >>news:[email protected]...
> >>
>
> >>And Milan-San Remo and above all the Flèche Wallone 1994, when the three
> >>Gewiss riders Argentin, Furlan and Berzin outclassed Bugno, Casagrande,
> >>Chiapucci and all the other suckers who weren't smart enough to hire
> >>Ferrari.
> >
> >
> > They won by a country-mile, didn't they? I can still see the TV pics ...
>
> The three of them just rode away the 2nd to last time up the Mur, which
> was a long way from the end. It was a pretty good gap by the finish.
> If memory serves, the rider in 4th as the gap opened was also a Gewiss
> rider...and the rider in 5th was Armstrong.
>
> Baird

So is that proof that Armstrong doped, or is that proof Armstrong was
clean?

Can't keep track,

--
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"I don't want kids who are thinking about going into mathematics
to think that they have to take drugs to succeed." -Paul Erdos

 

[Donald Munro]

Baird Webel wrote:
>> The three of them just rode away the 2nd to last time up the Mur, which
>> was a long way from the end. It was a pretty good gap by the finish.
>> If memory serves, the rider in 4th as the gap opened was also a Gewiss
>> rider...and the rider in 5th was Armstrong.

Ryan Cousineau wrote:
> So is that proof that Armstrong doped, or is that proof Armstrong was
> clean?

What did the Festina riders say of Riis ?

 

[Baird Webel]

Ryan Cousineau wrote:
> In article <ir4Te.14179$QN4.9254@trnddc02>,
> Baird Webel <[email protected]> wrote:

>>The three of them just rode away the 2nd to last time up the Mur, which
>>was a long way from the end. It was a pretty good gap by the finish.
>>If memory serves, the rider in 4th as the gap opened was also a Gewiss
>>rider...and the rider in 5th was Armstrong.
>>
>>Baird
>
>
> So is that proof that Armstrong doped, or is that proof Armstrong was
> clean?


I suppose it is proof af whatever one wants to believe.

Baird

 

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Ryan Cousineau wrote:
> Baird Webel <[email protected]> wrote:

> > The three of them just rode away the 2nd to last time up the Mur, which
> > was a long way from the end. It was a pretty good gap by the finish.
> > If memory serves, the rider in 4th as the gap opened was also a Gewiss
> > rider...and the rider in 5th was Armstrong.

> So is that proof that Armstrong doped, or is that proof Armstrong was
> clean?

Yes.

> Can't keep track,

I know the name of a sports physiologist who can help you with that.