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Don Klipstein
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In article <[email protected]>, Gunner Asch wrote:
>On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 13:29:51 -0500, "Edward Dolan" <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>
>>> But thats the typical arrogance of many bike riders. They simply
>>> cannot stand critism for their elitist outlook or their arrogance and
>>> utter stupidity.
>>>
>>> No wonder many die as the result of their actions. Darwin events
>>> actually.
>>>
>>> Pity
>>>
>>> Gunner, who rides Cannondale, Trek, Paramount, but doesnt try to bully
>>> vehicles outweighing him by many tons.
>>
>>Nor do I! But you have a peculiar attitude for someone who rides bicycles.
>>Every cyclist who has ever ridden his bike on the open road has experienced
>>motorists who bully them because they do not want them on the road - period!
>>It is a wonder to me that more cyclists do not track down such motorists and
>>literally murder them!
>
>And everyone who has ever drivin a motor vehicle around bike riders
>has had the bike riders bully them.
I have a lot of experience driving both cars and bicycles.
The main offense of cyclists against cars is running red lights while
cars that have green lights have expectations of right-of-way.
Second to that, is cyclists stopping less for stop signs than cars do.
Third place is cyclists doing less yielding to the vehicle to the right
(when both vehicles arrive at the intersection at the same time) at
intersections controlled by stop signs or at uncontrolled
intersections.
4th place is cyclists getting adventurous at intersections controlled by
stop signs, while not all roads entering the intersection are required to
stop.
Motorists also offend. In my experience, motorists offend cyclists
worst by shifting lanes without prior warning via a turn signal. This
includes the "Prime Offense" of first shifting onto a bike lane upon
approach to a right turn, and afterwards engaging the turn signal (if the
turn signal is engaged at all).
I see all too many motorists failing to use turn signals at all,
delaying use of turn signals until turning the steering wheel, not
signaling lane changes, and only sometimes signaling lane changes due to
failing to signal lane change to and/or from a parking lane!
As bad as cyclists do such feats, I see both as a cyclist and as a
motorist even worse being jaywalkers in counties with "generous juries".
- Don Klipstein ([email protected])
>On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 13:29:51 -0500, "Edward Dolan" <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>
>>> But thats the typical arrogance of many bike riders. They simply
>>> cannot stand critism for their elitist outlook or their arrogance and
>>> utter stupidity.
>>>
>>> No wonder many die as the result of their actions. Darwin events
>>> actually.
>>>
>>> Pity
>>>
>>> Gunner, who rides Cannondale, Trek, Paramount, but doesnt try to bully
>>> vehicles outweighing him by many tons.
>>
>>Nor do I! But you have a peculiar attitude for someone who rides bicycles.
>>Every cyclist who has ever ridden his bike on the open road has experienced
>>motorists who bully them because they do not want them on the road - period!
>>It is a wonder to me that more cyclists do not track down such motorists and
>>literally murder them!
>
>And everyone who has ever drivin a motor vehicle around bike riders
>has had the bike riders bully them.
I have a lot of experience driving both cars and bicycles.
The main offense of cyclists against cars is running red lights while
cars that have green lights have expectations of right-of-way.
Second to that, is cyclists stopping less for stop signs than cars do.
Third place is cyclists doing less yielding to the vehicle to the right
(when both vehicles arrive at the intersection at the same time) at
intersections controlled by stop signs or at uncontrolled
intersections.
4th place is cyclists getting adventurous at intersections controlled by
stop signs, while not all roads entering the intersection are required to
stop.
Motorists also offend. In my experience, motorists offend cyclists
worst by shifting lanes without prior warning via a turn signal. This
includes the "Prime Offense" of first shifting onto a bike lane upon
approach to a right turn, and afterwards engaging the turn signal (if the
turn signal is engaged at all).
I see all too many motorists failing to use turn signals at all,
delaying use of turn signals until turning the steering wheel, not
signaling lane changes, and only sometimes signaling lane changes due to
failing to signal lane change to and/or from a parking lane!
As bad as cyclists do such feats, I see both as a cyclist and as a
motorist even worse being jaywalkers in counties with "generous juries".
- Don Klipstein ([email protected])