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  1. 15 Sep 2005 14:49:54 -0700 in article
    <[email hidden]> "montygram"

    Quoted message said:


    Let your body makes its own PUFA, the Mead acid, which is undeniably
    much more biochemically stable than the long-chain PUFAs that will be
    in your body if you eat more than very small amounts of dietary PUFAs.
    There is no "down side," or else I and several others I know would
    have experienced it already. Most studies of the effects of drugs are
    done for months, not years. I switched over to the Mead acid years
    ago, and have only seen benefits.


    Mead acid is only produced by "accident", i.e. when there is not enough
    omega-3 and omega-6s for elongase and desaturase enzymes to work on. These
    enzymes can work, in order of preference, on omega-3, omega-6 and omega-9
    fatty acids. They prepare longer chain fatty acids from 18-carbon member of
    each of these fatty acid families, i.e. from alpha-linolenic acid (omega-3),
    linoleic acid (omega-6), and oleic acid (omega-9). In EFA deficiency these
    enzymes don't have enough omega-3 and omega-6s to work on, so they kind of
    "accidentally" start making mead acid from oleic acid (omega-9), although
    mead acid apparantly has no major function in our bodies and cannot do
    things omega-3s and omega-6s do.

    Read the article

    Bistrian BR.
    Clinical aspects of essential fatty acid metabolism: Jonathan Rhoads
    Lecture.
    JPEN J Parenter Enteral Nutr. 2003 May-Jun;27(3):168-75. Review.
    PMID: 12757109 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
    <http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3762/is_200305/ai_n9216964>

    and learn.

    --
    Matti Narkia

  2. Fri, 16 Sep 2005 04:02:47 +0300 in article
    <[email hidden]> Matti Narkia

    Quoted message said:

    15 Sep 2005 14:49:54 -0700 in article
    <[email hidden]> "montygram"

    Quoted message said:


    Let your body makes its own PUFA, the Mead acid, which is undeniably
    much more biochemically stable than the long-chain PUFAs that will be
    in your body if you eat more than very small amounts of dietary PUFAs.
    There is no "down side," or else I and several others I know would
    have experienced it already. Most studies of the effects of drugs are
    done for months, not years. I switched over to the Mead acid years
    ago, and have only seen benefits.


    Mead acid is only produced by "accident", i.e. when there is not enough
    omega-3 and omega-6s for elongase and desaturase enzymes to work on. These
    enzymes can work, in order of preference, on omega-3, omega-6 and omega-9
    fatty acids. They prepare longer chain fatty acids from 18-carbon member of
    each of these fatty acid families, i.e. from alpha-linolenic acid (omega-3),
    linoleic acid (omega-6), and oleic acid (omega-9). In EFA deficiency these
    enzymes don't have enough omega-3 and omega-6s to work on, so they kind of
    "accidentally" start making mead acid from oleic acid (omega-9), although
    mead acid apparantly has no major function in our bodies and cannot do
    things omega-3s and omega-6s do.

    Read the article

    Bistrian BR.
    Clinical aspects of essential fatty acid metabolism: Jonathan Rhoads
    Lecture.
    JPEN J Parenter Enteral Nutr. 2003 May-Jun;27(3):168-75. Review.
    PMID: 12757109 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
    <http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3762/is_200305/ai_n9216964>

    and learn.

    According to the study

    Helland IB, Smith L, Saarem K, Saugstad OD, Drevon CA.
    Maternal supplementation with very-long-chain n-3 fatty acids during
    pregnancy and lactation augments children's IQ at 4 years of age.
    Pediatrics. 2003 Jan;111(1):e39-44.
    PMID: 12509593 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
    <http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/cgi/content/full/111/1/e39>
    <http://www.nordicnaturals.com/direct/researchview.asp?docname=childiq.asp>

    maternal intake of very-long-chain n-3 PUFAs during pregnancy and lactation
    may be favorable for later mental development of children. Moreover, mead
    acid (20:3 n-9) and Osbond acid correlated negatively with intelligence
    scores. Citations:

    "Objectives. Docosahexaenoic acid (DHA; 22:6 n-3) and
    arachidonic acid (AA; 20:4 n-6) are important for
    development of the central nervous system in mammals.
    There is a growth spurt in the human brain during the last
    trimester of pregnancy and the first postnatal months,
    with a large increase in the cerebral content of AA and
    DHA. The fetus and the newborn infant depend on maternal
    supply of DHA and AA. Our hypothesis was that maternal
    intake of DHA during pregnancy and lactation is marginal
    and that high intake of this fatty acid would benefit the
    child. We examined the effect of supplementing pregnant
    and lactating women with very-long-chain n-3
    polyunsaturated fatty acids (PUFAs; cod liver oil) on
    mental development of the children, compared with maternal
    supplementation with long-chain n-6 PUFAs (corn oil).

    Methods. The study was randomized and double-blinded.
    Pregnant women were recruited in week 18 of pregnancy to
    take 10 mL of cod liver oil or corn oil until 3 months
    after delivery. The cod liver oil contained 1183 mg/10 mL
    DHA, 803 mg/10 mL eicosapentaenoic acid (20:5 n-3), and a
    total of 2494 mg/10 mL n-3 PUFAs. The corn oil contained
    4747 mg/10 mL linoleic acid (18:2 n-6) and 92 mg/10 mL -
    linolenic acid (18:3 n-3). The amount of fat-soluble
    vitamins was identical in the 2 oils (117 µg/mL vitamin A,
    1 µg/mL vitamin D, and 1.4 mg/mL dl--tocopherol). A total
    of 590 pregnant women were recruited to the study, and 341
    mothers took part in the study until giving birth. All
    infants of these women were scheduled for assessment of
    cognitive function at 6 and 9 months of age, and 262
    complied with the request. As part of the protocol, 135
    subjects from this population were invited for
    intelligence testing with the Kaufman Assessment Battery
    for Children (K-ABC) at 4 years of age. Of the 135 invited
    children, 90 came for assessment. Six children did not
    complete the examination. The K-ABC is a measure of
    intelligence and achievement designed for children aged
    2.5 years through 12.5 years. This multisubtest battery
    comprises 4 scales: Sequential Processing, Simultaneous
    Processing, Achievement (not used in the present study),
    and Nonverbal Abilities. The Sequential Processing and
    Simultaneous Processing scales are hypothesized to reflect
    the child’s style of problem solving and information
    processing. Scores from these 2 scales are combined to
    form a Mental Processing Composite, which serves as the
    measure of intelligence in the K-ABC.

    Results. We received dietary information from 76 infants
    (41 in the cod liver oil group and 35 in the corn oil
    group), documenting that all of them were breastfed at 3
    months of age. Children who were born to mothers who had
    taken cod liver oil (n = 48) during pregnancy and
    lactation scored higher on the Mental Processing Composite
    of the K-ABC at 4 years of age as compared with children
    whose mothers had taken corn oil (n = 36; 106.4 [7.4] vs
    102.3 [11.3]). The Mental Processing Composite score
    correlated significantly with head circumference at birth
    (r = 0.23), but no relation was found with birth weight or
    gestational length. The children’s mental processing
    scores at 4 years of age correlated significantly with
    maternal intake of DHA and eicosapentaenoic acid during
    pregnancy. In a multiple regression model, maternal intake
    of DHA during pregnancy was the only variable of
    statistical significance for the children’s mental
    processing scores at 4 years of age.

    Conclusion. Maternal intake of very-long-chain n-3 PUFAs
    during pregnancy and lactation may be favorable for later
    mental development of children.

    [...]

    Cognitive Tests

    Children in the cod liver oil group had significantly
    higher scores than the children in the corn oil group on
    the Mental Processing Composite of the K-ABC test at 4
    years of age (106.4 [7.4] vs 102.3 [11.3]; P = .049; Fig
    1). There was a clear tendency to higher scores for the
    Sequential Processing scale, Simultaneous Processing
    scale, and Nonverbal scale among children who were born to
    mothers who were given cod liver oil (Fig 1), but these
    differences were not statistically significant. No
    differences were observed between children who received
    cod liver oil or not. The Mental Processing Composite
    score correlated significantly with head circumference at
    birth (r = 0.23; P = .04), but no relation was found with
    birth weight or gestational length.

    No correlation was observed between very-long-chain n-3
    PUFAs in umbilical plasma phospholipids and intelligence
    scores, but Mead acid (20:3 n-9) and Osbond acid
    correlated negatively with intelligence scores (Mead acid:
    Simultaneous Processing, r = -0.24, P = .04; Nonverbal
    Scale, r = -0.25, P = .03; Osbond acid: Mental Processing
    Composite, r = -0.29, P = .01; Sequential Processing, r =
    -0.31, P = .008, Nonverbal Scale, r = -0.25, P = .03).
    Moreover, intelligence scores at 4 years of age correlated
    with plasma phospholipid concentrations of
    docosapentaenoic acid n-3 (22:5 n-3; Mental Processing
    Composite, r = 0.23, P = .03) and DHA (Mental Processing
    Composite, r = 0.28, P = .01; Sequential Processing, r =
    0.22, P = .05; Simultaneous Processing, r = 0.25, P = .03)
    at 4 weeks of age. Mental processing skills of the
    children correlated significantly with maternal intake of
    EPA (Mental Processing Composite, r = 0.27, P = .02;
    Simultaneous Processing, r = 0.25, P = .04) and DHA
    (Mental Processing Composite, r = 0.26, P = .03;
    Simultaneous Processing, r = 0.24, P = .04) during
    pregnancy. In a regression model (backward stepwise) with
    Mental Processing Composite as dependent variable and
    maternal intake of DHA, gestational length, head
    circumference, maternal age, parity, parental education,
    maternal smoking, and cod liver oil intake of the infant
    as independent variables, maternal intake of DHA was the
    only variable with statistical significance (r2 = 0.07; P
    = .03) unilaterally evaluated.

    This is the first study to examine the long-term effects
    on children of maternal supplementation with very-long-
    chain n-3 PUFAs during pregnancy and lactation. Our
    present study shows that 4-year-old children have higher
    mental processing scores when the mothers are supplemented
    with very-long-chain n-3 PUFAs (from cod liver oil) during
    pregnancy and lactation, as compared with children of
    mothers who are supplemented with long-chain n-6 PUFAs
    (from corn oil).

    [...]

    This study indicates that maternal supplementation with very-long-chain
    n-3 PUFAs during pregnancy and lactation improves the intelligence of
    children at 4 years of age. Perhaps adequate supply of very-long-chain
    PUFA during pregnancy is just as important as in the neonatal period."

    --
    Matti Narkia

  3. Quoted message said:

    <http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3762/is_200305/ai_n9216964>

    Since the article says "Mead acid is not normally made to any degree
    when there is sufficient linoleic acid (at least 1% and optimal at 3%
    to 4% in humans)" isn't it nearly IMPOSSIBLE for a person to become EFA
    deficient?

  4. "jaym1212" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    <http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3762/is_200305/ai_n9216964>

    Since the article says "Mead acid is not normally made to any degree
    when there is sufficient linoleic acid (at least 1% and optimal at 3%
    to 4% in humans)" isn't it nearly IMPOSSIBLE for a person to become EFA
    deficient?

    Do you want an optimum diet or a diet that
    is merely "not deficient" in essential nutrients?

    GWC

  5. Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Since the article says "Mead acid is not normally made to any degree
    when there is sufficient linoleic acid (at least 1% and optimal at 3%
    to 4% in humans)" isn't it nearly IMPOSSIBLE for a person to become EFA
    deficient?

    Quoted message said:

    Do you want an optimum diet or a diet that is merely "not deficient" in essential nutrients?

    I want an optimum diet. What is the optimum amount of linoleic as a %
    of total calories?

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